Moeed Pirzada April 27, 2008
#133 Posted by zeemax on April 30, 2008 12:47:59 am
... in the meantime, India is handing Pakistan another prisoner body at Wagah.
Dost, are they mad or what? Or are they doing it on purpose for some reason?
Dost, are they mad or what? Or are they doing it on purpose for some reason?
#132 Posted by izuber on April 30, 2008 12:00:38 am
Re: # 117
He is far from death under the circumstances specified by masadi, he is in the safe-keeping of the USA and accommodated right in the good old US of A.
People better forget him.
He is far from death under the circumstances specified by masadi, he is in the safe-keeping of the USA and accommodated right in the good old US of A.
People better forget him.
#131 Posted by masadi on April 29, 2008 11:44:06 pm
Naqshbandi writes "...when the Chinese become the mightiest nation on Earth (by 2050 or so) do you think they'll be any nicer?..."
You cannot justify the current actions of the barbarian country's elite with hypotheticals. China will not become the mightiest country of the world, now more than in the past it is trapped within the machinery of the capitalist system that will keep it subordinate...with minor tweakings using India, Tibet, Taiwan, Japan, Korea etc when it decides to step out of line...
You cannot justify the current actions of the barbarian country's elite with hypotheticals. China will not become the mightiest country of the world, now more than in the past it is trapped within the machinery of the capitalist system that will keep it subordinate...with minor tweakings using India, Tibet, Taiwan, Japan, Korea etc when it decides to step out of line...
#130 Posted by nkg on April 29, 2008 8:50:45 pm
Re: # 86
VRV...
India owes an apology to Pakistan not for the 'killing' of Khalid but the 'death' of the same coz he died in India’s custody. So India shud apologise officially.
Ans: Custodial death in India is not uncommon. If you are Paki and overstaying in India, be prepared for any type of action from Indian police. That is the area, where Indian police can do anything without fear. Westerners receive different treatment.
The Pakistanis, who come with family (mostly medical purpose) are spared. Indian jails are still jails.Only Kiran Bedi tried to change that for Tihar jail(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiran_Bedi). So, more such Khalid you may find from Indian jails ( dying in police custody), unless and until they are hardcore terrorists/islamist ( like Omar Sheik etc...)....Indian police and jail needs reform for last 30/40 years. GOI can not foot the bill now. When India will be rich, Khalids will return from jail to Pakistan.
VRV...
India owes an apology to Pakistan not for the 'killing' of Khalid but the 'death' of the same coz he died in India’s custody. So India shud apologise officially.
Ans: Custodial death in India is not uncommon. If you are Paki and overstaying in India, be prepared for any type of action from Indian police. That is the area, where Indian police can do anything without fear. Westerners receive different treatment.
The Pakistanis, who come with family (mostly medical purpose) are spared. Indian jails are still jails.Only Kiran Bedi tried to change that for Tihar jail(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiran_Bedi). So, more such Khalid you may find from Indian jails ( dying in police custody), unless and until they are hardcore terrorists/islamist ( like Omar Sheik etc...)....Indian police and jail needs reform for last 30/40 years. GOI can not foot the bill now. When India will be rich, Khalids will return from jail to Pakistan.
#129 Posted by nkg on April 29, 2008 8:35:39 pm
Re: # 48
Stuka...
My sincere advice to Hindus is that they should make an offer to pay Qisas and Diyat pre-emptively to the next of the kins of sarbjeet's victims. Make them an offer that they ccould not refuse.They must hire lawyers and file a case in supreme court asking for its interference to facilitate Qisas proceedings. "
Sirji, Sarabjit Singh is a Sikh and we are Baniyas. ;)
Ans: What an Idea!!!! And do this rule apply for the general people of Pakistan also? Paying money to evade law (buying law)!!!!
Stuka...
My sincere advice to Hindus is that they should make an offer to pay Qisas and Diyat pre-emptively to the next of the kins of sarbjeet's victims. Make them an offer that they ccould not refuse.They must hire lawyers and file a case in supreme court asking for its interference to facilitate Qisas proceedings. "
Sirji, Sarabjit Singh is a Sikh and we are Baniyas. ;)
Ans: What an Idea!!!! And do this rule apply for the general people of Pakistan also? Paying money to evade law (buying law)!!!!
#128 Posted by nkg on April 29, 2008 8:22:30 pm
Re: # 95
Treetop...
the year was 2001 and pak economy was in shambles the forex reserves had dwindled to paltry 400m dollars,it was becoming increasingly difficult for pak to pay its debt inst.pakistan was on the verge of bankruptcy,and then boom 9/11 happens all the restrictions are lifted,and money starts pouring from all corners and within 6 months pak forex reserves shoot up to 12 billion dollars.Just for alowing US to use the airspace pakistan collected 7 billion.WAS THIS JUST A COINCIDENCE?
Who are talaibans and alqaida? who was the mastermind behind 9/11and who was pulling thier strings?think about it.
who stood to gain from this surreal drama?
dear indian friends do not under estimate the adventurous spirit of pakistan, when cornered pakistan is capable of doing anything.BEWARE.
Ans: Oh no, I am not undermining nuicense creation capability of Pakistan. I meant, USA had the hard option on Pakistan than using USD12bn. This amount may be petty small for USA, but definitely saved Pakistan to large extent. Pakistan is ally of USA for long time. USA will help Pakistan as much as possible....
Treetop...
the year was 2001 and pak economy was in shambles the forex reserves had dwindled to paltry 400m dollars,it was becoming increasingly difficult for pak to pay its debt inst.pakistan was on the verge of bankruptcy,and then boom 9/11 happens all the restrictions are lifted,and money starts pouring from all corners and within 6 months pak forex reserves shoot up to 12 billion dollars.Just for alowing US to use the airspace pakistan collected 7 billion.WAS THIS JUST A COINCIDENCE?
Who are talaibans and alqaida? who was the mastermind behind 9/11and who was pulling thier strings?think about it.
who stood to gain from this surreal drama?
dear indian friends do not under estimate the adventurous spirit of pakistan, when cornered pakistan is capable of doing anything.BEWARE.
Ans: Oh no, I am not undermining nuicense creation capability of Pakistan. I meant, USA had the hard option on Pakistan than using USD12bn. This amount may be petty small for USA, but definitely saved Pakistan to large extent. Pakistan is ally of USA for long time. USA will help Pakistan as much as possible....
#127 Posted by Urstruly on April 29, 2008 1:27:40 pm
Re: # 126 HP
I actually agree with you. I think NS will be let present a resolution in the Assembly and same assembly will overwhelmingly approve it. But when it will go to senate, where 2/3rd majority is that of Lota League and fascists MQM the resolution will be shot down. This is oldest fukking trick in the history of parliaments when the "elected' memebrs do not want to do something. Its gonna be interesting. Meanwhile I suggest people to stay away from crowded places etc.
I actually agree with you. I think NS will be let present a resolution in the Assembly and same assembly will overwhelmingly approve it. But when it will go to senate, where 2/3rd majority is that of Lota League and fascists MQM the resolution will be shot down. This is oldest fukking trick in the history of parliaments when the "elected' memebrs do not want to do something. Its gonna be interesting. Meanwhile I suggest people to stay away from crowded places etc.
#126 Posted by HP on April 29, 2008 11:45:22 am
#121 Posted by Urstruly
No one is walking out of the coalition. The most they will do is suspend the participation of ministers until the constitution package is out. Zardari is providing cover for NS. He will take the blame because he is not going to be impacted by the backlash.
I do think that another campaign by the lawyers would only hurt temporarily. The jolt may actually put the army under pressure more than the civilians.
I saw former Indian FM Mishra’s statement somewhere and I think his idea of India providing support to the civilians will check the Pak army is good.
No one is walking out of the coalition. The most they will do is suspend the participation of ministers until the constitution package is out. Zardari is providing cover for NS. He will take the blame because he is not going to be impacted by the backlash.
I do think that another campaign by the lawyers would only hurt temporarily. The jolt may actually put the army under pressure more than the civilians.
I saw former Indian FM Mishra’s statement somewhere and I think his idea of India providing support to the civilians will check the Pak army is good.
#125 Posted by tahir on April 29, 2008 11:36:41 am
Re: # 119
Please read that as 'does' have a valid case.
As 'they' say: the truth will set you free.
Please read that as 'does' have a valid case.
As 'they' say: the truth will set you free.
#124 Posted by tahir on April 29, 2008 11:27:12 am
Re: # 81
Mr. Naqshbandi,
Disregard my abhorence for all things sufi. I'll drink a large glass of 'sattu' (and say cheers too) to your admission that we are 'zinda dil' folks!
Mr. Naqshbandi,
Disregard my abhorence for all things sufi. I'll drink a large glass of 'sattu' (and say cheers too) to your admission that we are 'zinda dil' folks!
#123 Posted by tahir on April 29, 2008 11:20:10 am
Re: # 73
And let us not forget Zeba Bakhtyar marrying and finally divorcing the over-grown Meiji baby!
And let us not forget Zeba Bakhtyar marrying and finally divorcing the over-grown Meiji baby!
#122 Posted by Naqshbandi on April 29, 2008 11:02:50 am
the golden rule of geopolitics is and has always been, "jiski laaThi uski bhains" or "Whoever pays the piper calls the tunes"...In simpler terms: Might Is Right.
I guess we have to deal with it. It was ever thus...when the Chinese become the mightiest nation on Earth (by 2050 or so) do you think they'll be any nicer?
I guess we have to deal with it. It was ever thus...when the Chinese become the mightiest nation on Earth (by 2050 or so) do you think they'll be any nicer?
#121 Posted by Urstruly on April 29, 2008 11:00:53 am
Re: # 111
Amen,
probably walking out of the coalition will be the only gurantee that they will have for their physical and political survival from now on. I think we have entered the final phase of the mortal combat between people and corrupt, pro-western, oppresive ruling elite.
Power to the People!!!!
Amen,
probably walking out of the coalition will be the only gurantee that they will have for their physical and political survival from now on. I think we have entered the final phase of the mortal combat between people and corrupt, pro-western, oppresive ruling elite.
Power to the People!!!!
#120 Posted by Naqshbandi on April 29, 2008 10:59:41 am
the US looks after its own strategic interests first and foremost --and that is not surprising--and will do anything to further them just as other countries will. in the real world of realpolitick that is what matters and everything else and talk of human rights and power of the people via the ballot box is just pious bullshit.
Yes, sometimes, when the entirety of the people unite--e.g. in iran in 1979 -- even the best laid plans of the superpowers come to nothing but those are rare exceptions and not the rule...
that the oil pipeline with pak/india/iran is going ahead is good for pakistan...i hope it brings in lots of money and raises the living standards of the countless poor...if that means working with the devil in the process so-be-it.
Yes, sometimes, when the entirety of the people unite--e.g. in iran in 1979 -- even the best laid plans of the superpowers come to nothing but those are rare exceptions and not the rule...
that the oil pipeline with pak/india/iran is going ahead is good for pakistan...i hope it brings in lots of money and raises the living standards of the countless poor...if that means working with the devil in the process so-be-it.
#119 Posted by Naqshbandi on April 29, 2008 10:55:28 am
you know many consider masadi a madman but when one reads what is actually out there and not in the mainstream media --e.g. the pulitzer prize-winning book , "Ghost Wars" or the book version of Charlie Wilson's War one realises just how far the tentacles of the US --via the CIA --actually reach in determining the fates of elections in other countries...
and that masadi mian may well have a valid case.
and that masadi mian may well have a valid case.
#118 Posted by zeemax on April 29, 2008 10:22:24 am
#117 Posted by masadi,
Tariq Aziz is not even a Muslim. He's a Coptic Christian. But yes, you're right.
Tariq Aziz is not even a Muslim. He's a Coptic Christian. But yes, you're right.
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