The Power of Faith

#96 Posted by Pulchritude on May 5, 2008 12:40:26 pm
i really liked ur article...keep it up!

Thank you sir, there is always a light at the end of the tunnel!

Dear Morons, i.e. Zeemax and Tahir, It is Nadeemakr and not Nadeemmakr...so much for your I.Q you embarass a cucumber for having a higher I.Q and E.Q than yours!

To Nadeem Akram:
When your holy prophet have not lived proper civilised life, how do you expect common Pakistani will lead good life?
Faith does not yield power. Faith is symbol of weakness and is supposed to be used as last resort.When people are disabled, they need to resort to faith (during infancy and old age)...
If somebody tries to prevent you from arguing, then he is weak. If Islam is so strong and good, why you need to fight so many Jihads and resort to suicide bombing, blashphemy law etc. to defend?
According to TI, Chad(Africa), Bangladesh, Nigeria,Sudan, Somalia are one of the most corrupt states on this planet.And unfortunately these are muslim majority and islamic states. Do you think Islam is not taught properly in all these states too?
On the contrary, north european countries like Sweden, Norway, Denmark is doing well...
Regarding moral values, it is required to sustain society and evolved over time. This planet does not need any fake claim by mediaval arab (as word of God's messanger) to list it or approve it...

#105 Posted by akcheema,

So? If Afghan camel drivers helped open up Central Australia (desert), what's that got to with Islam anymore than the Chinese building US Railroads had to do with Taoism?

To "but am rather busy with work, family, sports and other normal persuits", I will suitably add jumping about on hind-legs.

Re: # 103

It was only a short reference some weeks ago. If I find it easily, will let you know

It was in relation to Afghan camel drivers helping open up Central Australia (desert); it was a positive rather than negative if it helps

May be you should try challenging the murtid BS; with substance rather than hiding behind this 'faith BS' and the god person you keep talking about.. sory I don't think you can

I am over talking to you and will not address/provoke you directly; you are not worth my time. I had some spare time before but am rather busy with work, family, sports and other normal persuits

Quite happy to contribute on now and again basis; I enjoy interacting with a lot of people here including Majumdar sahib

Zee sahib/Cheema sahib,

It would be a pleasure to see my favourite Momin and favourite murtid in action at the same time.

Regards

#100 Posted by akcheema,

As for the "ghan" thing, I already asked Zee this to which I had no reply.

When did you ask this? I must have missed it because I seldom read all through your posts because they're the usual murtid BS repeated like a broken record.

However grateful if you could reproduce it and I will try my best to answer!

Cheema sahib,

(avoid talking about our own deficits!)

I dont think resident Indian or Paki chowkies have ever claimed that their society was perfect.

Indians and Pakis leave their country mainly to improve their standard of living and to access better opportunity abroad. There is nothing wrong with that. Maybe if I get such an opportunity I will take that.

Regards

Cheema sahib,

(avoid talking about our own deficits!)

I dont think resident Indian or Paki chowkies have ever claimed that their society was perfect.

Indians and Pakis leave their country mainly to improve their standard of living and to access better opportunity abroad. There is nothing wrong with that. Maybe if I get such an opportunity I will take that.

Regards

Re: # 98; majumdar bhai,

I don't think you or a lot of others are fair in this comparison. To me, there is no comparison. We have had people here talking about how much of a grind life is in the west; it never leaves the surface be it Zee, masadi sahib or anyone else.

When someone tries to make a practicle comparison between the two, the 'ad-hominem' of "they have this vice too" starts to avoid talking about our own deficits!

Let's just think rationally from what Khan sahib has said; at the end of the day, I could live in Pakistan just the same with cheaper 'nauker chaakers' and live the "colonial dream" of the brown man that all these so-called champions of social justice proclaim but live and enjoy just the same! Why don't you ask them? and whilst you are at it, ask them how the poor mazaaras and others of similar class are treated in the Islamic Republic! Then look around your own backyard too. It is easy to be the all sympathetic socialist/Islamist/Koranist or any other 'ist', truth is the reality on the ground is very different indeed!

All these so-called upper middle class "english medium types" as I used to call them when I first went to Pakistan in my youth, have nothing in common with more than 90% of their own populations that they claim to represent. They use the language of their 'colonial masters', which is taught in Pakistan, not as an important international language, but as a legacy to 'distinguish'; when these self-riteous make absurd claims, makes my blood boil.

I choose to live in the west for reasons very similar to Khan sahib's.As for the "ghan" thing, I already asked Zee this to which I had no reply.

Re: # 98

Majumdar,

I know Australia is materialistic too. But still the society is not that polarised into haves and have nots (yes,things are changing for the worse) but it is still a very laid back society contrary to what people think... I know people from teh US who are here, even from UK.. they say Australia is so laid back.. What I am trying to say is that i am not stuck in teh social structures of my home country where I needed to keep up with people of my social status... Here in Australia you can assume any persona you want!!

regarding Pathan Camel Drivers.. this is true... check this out...... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ghans

Khan sahib,

(I was stuck in a treadmill of earning more)

Aussies are not struck in a treadmill to keep earning more?

(intensely creeping materialism in our society!!!)

No materialism in Oz???

(and putting up with "the jonesses"...)

No keeping up with the Joneses in Oz???

(Pathans from NWFP went to Australia in 1800s as camel drivers...)

(LOL) Arjun mian will die laughing when he reads this!!!

Regards

Re: # 45

Dear Tahir,

First of all, let me clarify that I dont feel 'vexed' at all for being far away from my countrymen (and Women!)... I like to meet a variety of people from a diversity of nationalities including Pakistanis (if you take offense to my rather lighthearted use of the word Pakiland). I think there is wisdom in diversity.

I have not 'left' Pakistan, technically. But even if i decide to leave, it is not going to be for economic reasons. I am not a 'taxi driving' half literate refugee....it is for the reasons of freedom to choose how I behave and think that i have come here... now do not get into the trap of accusing me that I can choose anything! I wanted to 'liberate' myself from teh daily grind of paying huge utility bills (with no electricity and no gas!!!), for paying bribes just to get small things done (like renewing my driving licence etc!!) I wanted to release my brain for some time so that I can read, contemplate and enjoy the small things in life.... ask fundamental questions of life and try to find answers.. At home in Pakistan I could not do that.. I was stuck in a treadmill of earning more to keep up with teh inflation and (intensely creeping materialism in our society!!!)... stuck with lots of useless social obligations and putting up with "the jonesses"... and backbiting/backstabbing etc... I am in an environment where intellectual freedom and the creativity is valued (atleast for now!!)... Tell me Tahir Sahib.... where do you get opportunities to sin MORE... in Pakistan or in Australia... In Pakistan you have to atleast lie/bribe all the time to get things done... in majority of the cases/ on the average you dont have to do that in Western countries...


Regarding how I represent Pakistan here in Australia... you cannnot imagine how hurt I am on seeing Pakistan's reputation sullied over teh last few years.. teh way we are being associated with terrorism, underdevelopment (failed state!!) etc etc....This is especially so when you are compared with Indians here... and how Indian brand rubs off the common Indian expatriate here.... But I always show the good side of the picture of Pakistan.. for example Pathans from NWFP and Afghanistan went to Australia in 1800s as camel drivers... they played a major part in developing teh resources and exploring Australia... they were called Ghans... I am doing research on this illustrious history of ours.. and Australian recognise that too.

Regarding access to material..... you can access BUT you cannot discuss.... go ahead discuss the issues (even the ones you bring up on Chowk) in your gatherings (particularly institutional gatherings). Can you do that?

By the way...being strong and being upright has got nothing to do with religion. Strength does not come from dogmatism. It is a psychological illusion.


Warm Regards

T Khan

i really liked ur article...keep it up!

Arabs might have translated some Indian knowledge but some might be little dense for them to translate.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/08/070813091457.htm

Tah ir, are you man or woman? If woman, sorry if I uttered any profanities, and do not mean to abuse Islam or its prophet. Ideally I would like Islam also to flourish in India but by becoming Indian, by dropping Arabic language, by replacing Adam and Eve by local pandu and Chameli, by Tahir becoming Sachin.

#89. this is rich coming from folks who can play "Why us?" and "who did this to us?"...Thanks for playing, we have a lovely parting gift from Suicidebelts-r-us (made for jihadis...by Jihadis) enjoy!!!