PPP Isn’t Convinced!

#50 Posted by Urstruly,

I don't think NS will concede any further than he has done, but everything cannot be back to normal in any case because hyper-inflation is around the corner.

Yes I guess you're right. Maybe it's the best for the mobilization of the masses.

Re: # 48 Zeemax;

And with in next three weeks NS will concede too. But "everything will be back to normal" is only an illusion that these a/holes are chasing in futility. And I think this is the best thing that has happened to Pakistan in 60 years. Now everyone who will be guillotined has identified himself.

2nd November 2001=2nd November 2007

Well I think the game is pretty much clear now. The Murree accord was a ploy by Zardari to gain time to line-up the Plan 'b' coalition. That was done through giving control of Karachi to MQM and the forward blocs in PML-Q. By 30 April they had enough numbers in the parliament to maintain their Government in the center without PML-N support if it walked out.

That acted as a lever to blackmail PML-N into conceding its stance of restoration of judiciary to 2nd November 2001 to a restoration PLUS retention of the existing. The further time till 12th May was also obtained using the same blackmail (PML-N doesn't want the coalition to fall apart) by Zardari leaving Pakistan as the dead-line of 30 April approached, refusing Shahbaz Sharif's delegation, and then making Nawaz Sharif himself rush over and make all concessions.

These 12 days are now serving to fix Punjab by removing Chaudhries and installing Chattha in their place. All this is to sideline PML-N and Zardari becomes Grand Vizier with musharraf as the patron king.

I must admit Zardari has turned out as a master tactician par none. He always was with his 'zabaan' which is how Benazir fell for him, but I had no idea he was equally talented in politics. I think the coalition will fall apart on 13 May to be replaced with a new one.

So, Urstruly, next I guess it may indeed be what you have been saying all along while I had been giving a two-years time period for another experiment. It hasn't even taken 3 months to unravel and the outcome may be just months ahead.

#37 Urstruly

[Why people of Pakistan are still unable to break the shackles & chains of East India Company and its Najaiz aulad]

If it does break those chains, it will run right into the open arms of the mullas.

I don't think I've mentioned this before (that's supposed to be a joke, btw). So let me say this: NO MUSLIM COUNTRY WILL EVER BECOME A TRUE DEMOCRACY. LOOK AT PAKISTAN. LOOK AT BANGLADESH. LOOK AT INDIA. SAME STARTING POINT, SHARED HERITAGE - BUT VASTLY DIFFERENT RESULTS.

The reason for this? Islam, of course.

Re: # 43

NangaPir

Excellent post, bravo.

Re: # 43

It needs effort and sacrifice to change the system. Those who have it in them have already butted their heads cruel oppressors and their superpower backers. If you have it in you, then quit whining; you don't need my permission to make your vision come true.

#43 NangaPir: Excellent point!!

Long long time ago at a distant galaxy a desparate man walks into a brotherl at late hours. The only sex worker was wrapping up. The horny man showed his great eager. The pros told him that she would charge $30.00 for a single act. The poor man came up only with $15.00. She refused but he came up with an ingenious plan. What if I insert half of my jung for $15.00? The pros agreed. During performance the man parked all of his equipment into her garage. It was too late but still she protested that why he inserted the whole while he was paying half. The man replied, "I agreed to insert the rear half of my dick. I do not care the distal half". So when we object to existing system and want to replace it with new one, be careful what are you contracting for. There are outmoded forces who fought Russians as imperialist watchdog mercenaries now talk about Islamic system sponsored by Dr. Pur Israr and company. Its mean getting out of pan into fire. Look at the stupidity of our new goverment. They abolished old system in tribal areas. Now mullahs are demanding they only want religious rule. What that's mean to a common man. First we were directly ruled by British/American imperialists. Now we will be pushed further down the stack and will be ruled by Saudis who will be ruled by Americans and who will be controlled by Israel. These thugs receive petrodollar from filthy shieks and they drum up business for these corrupt kings and amirs of the middle east. If you are eager to bless our land with such slavish law then why do not you first liberate Kabba and Jerusalem and establish your system there. We the people of Pakistan need a system based on our own values, culture, heritage, resources, needs and capabilites. In other word we do not want to trade mercedes with camels when our own donkey performs better than camel.

Re: # 41 madani

It is hard to disagree with Pavo's analysis of the peculiarities of this region but his analysis goes against one of the basic law of nature. This law can be paraphrased as "the only constant in the world is change". Human beings have this amazing ability to change and as individual changes the society changes too. The corrupt, oppressive, and shameless social order that was established by East India Company and later inherited by the kalay angraiz is about to fall victim to the law of the Natural Selection. Nature abhors corruption, inefficiency, and incompetence. This system has overstayed its welcome. Don't you see that all the forces of darkness, corruption, and greed are feeding this system intravenously to keep it alive? The corrupt European and American empire resuscitate this system by injecting billions of dollars every week into it to keep it alive. This is 10s of time greater than what they had to spend during cold war. Look at Americans how they shamelessly support our dictator who is vicious, corrupt, and incompetent to the core. Not a single human being in Pakistan wants to see this a/hole one more day. Don't you see how they are fighting tooth to nail to keep honest and morally upright judges from taking office? Don't you see how they unleash their fascist bulldogs on innocent Pakistani citizens? It only means that the days of the old order are numbered now. And who is bringing this change? All the sons of this soil, who love their dharti maaN more than anything. These are the very people whom cold and apathetic analysts like pavocavlary had cast into the dustbin of history.

Today, Pakistani society may not be in an enviable position but today we have a dream. We as a society had given up on our hopes and dream but it took just one man, Iftekhar Ahmad Chowdry, to revive our dream. Today, we have a dream of a Pakistan where there will be social justice, economic parity and rule of law. Have hope in people. IT WILL BE DONE.

Re: # 37 Urstruly.... I red article by Ahmed. IIt is definitely must read for everybody.
But our army professional and philosopher Major PavoCavalary has better done and given thoughtful line of thinking and logical extension going back in pecularities of subcontiunent development from Mughal, maratha , East India co to british rule, then the psycological development and make up of army. Major has better work and thoughful and devoid of emotional baggage.
Problem with Major is he is nonchalant about present united federal Pakistan. I doubt he will shed any tears if ethinic forces specially B.Stan ot NWFP provinces exit union. That part I do not like. He is more like Karl marx when he wrote that manifesto , he was just logical and clinical with his thesis. Same may Major is hope he develops theory / philosophical basis ( he constructs) so will give some theoretical basis for existance of union. The Two nation theory has failed in every sense and hope still some logic be developed to hang on for existence of United federal pakistan. I doubt he will do that as he has categorically stated he is for more freedom to units.If I am wrong he can tell his thoughts on this matter. I value his thoughful process and analytical and his dilectics reminds me of marxian outlook.
Good day everybody

Re: # 39 Posted by hamidm2 on May 5, 2008 10:45:12 am

Hamid mian,

[.. so, straddling the fence sounds right ..]

so buy all the arms and protection from being in the US empire, and give all the money generating projects to the chinese people.

how does such a strategy work for the unwashed masses? so the ruling elite becomes a broker in-between?

Re: # 38


.......i think the right thing to do is to play one against the other and thus have the best of both worlds ....

personally, i would rather be part of the us empire and sign up for becoming the 51st state (this independence thing is highly overrated) but i don't think that is possible and in case the two empires decide to go at it we could be run over by the chinese within a week ..... so, straddling the fence sounds right .......

Re: # 20 Posted by hamidm2 on May 4, 2008 8:06:31 pm

hamid mian,

[..... having said that, i think pakistan should lead the muslim empire from the red fort in delhi ......]

until such time comes, what should Pakistan's foreign policy be? Be part of the US empire or part of the Chinese empire? or play the two for maximum leverage? Just like Libya has done between the US and EU.

[... of course, first we have to solve the electricity and atta crisis and provide deodrant to the unwashed masses ......]

that is just some deomestic policies, that is not for the two empires to worry about.

Why people of Pakistan are still unable to break the shackles & chains of East India Company and its Najaiz aulad:

From the scalpel of Dr. Israr Ahmad.

http://www.jang-group.com/jang/may2008-daily/05-05-2008/col2.htm

#31 Posted by harish_hyd,

No I missed this part in your #27:

That said, both Zia and Mushy rose against the very men who handpicked them, so there's no reason why the same cannot happen to Mushy.

So we agree that Musharraf having power to appoint Army Chiefs makes no difference, despite your contention otherwise in the first part of the same post.