Ahmer Muzammil April 30, 2008
#65 Posted by Urstruly on May 7, 2008 11:35:32 am
Re: # 64
Neither Musharaf will go anywhere nor judges are going to come back. The real reason is that that the ruling elite is one and the same. This system of corruption, inefficiency, and lawlessness benefits ALL OF THEM immensily. They can squander billions and get away with it. They can even get away with cases of murder. As urdu proverb goes, have they been bitten by a mad dog to change all this?? No, they will preserve it no matter what it takes. That was the reason, benazir was murdered because she wouldn't have sold PPP so cheap. Zardari is a thrid class small timer, Mr. 10%, corrupt to the core and thus easy to control. Americans have vested interest to keep this status quo because a corrupt nation is easy to control, especially when it is the most important country in Islamic world. Any positive change in Pakistan will mean a domino effect in rest of the muslim world.
But what all these badmash a/holes don't realize is that the times have changed. It is no more on their side. A repeat of what was happening before Feb 18, in this country will bring these a/holes down to their knees in six months. I hope they realize the sort of peril they are in.
Neither Musharaf will go anywhere nor judges are going to come back. The real reason is that that the ruling elite is one and the same. This system of corruption, inefficiency, and lawlessness benefits ALL OF THEM immensily. They can squander billions and get away with it. They can even get away with cases of murder. As urdu proverb goes, have they been bitten by a mad dog to change all this?? No, they will preserve it no matter what it takes. That was the reason, benazir was murdered because she wouldn't have sold PPP so cheap. Zardari is a thrid class small timer, Mr. 10%, corrupt to the core and thus easy to control. Americans have vested interest to keep this status quo because a corrupt nation is easy to control, especially when it is the most important country in Islamic world. Any positive change in Pakistan will mean a domino effect in rest of the muslim world.
But what all these badmash a/holes don't realize is that the times have changed. It is no more on their side. A repeat of what was happening before Feb 18, in this country will bring these a/holes down to their knees in six months. I hope they realize the sort of peril they are in.
#66 Posted by zeemax on May 7, 2008 12:40:58 pm
#65 Posted by Urstruly,
Sir, I fully agree.
Now how about writing an article like 'That Whore' again? I've been asking you for a year. Let's talk about something else.
The course has been set, as you had predicted and I had given a two year time for another experiment in controlled democracy. Nothing will change it.
So, what will be, will be.
Now how about that article, Urstruly? Real Guy De Maupassant style!
Sir, I fully agree.
Now how about writing an article like 'That Whore' again? I've been asking you for a year. Let's talk about something else.
The course has been set, as you had predicted and I had given a two year time for another experiment in controlled democracy. Nothing will change it.
So, what will be, will be.
Now how about that article, Urstruly? Real Guy De Maupassant style!
#67 Posted by tahmed32 on May 7, 2008 3:22:19 pm
#56 hamidm: I hope you have something to personally gain out of this mockery of the people's will that has been made by zardari in joining hands with the mqm murderers and the rogue general. because if you do, then at least you have some shred of logic (however short-sighted and selfish) behind your applause. otherwise, you are merely an idiot.
#68 Posted by ana on May 7, 2008 6:02:55 pm
yusufzai:
hamid is no masih or "anointed one". please do not tarnish the masih by associating that with him.
he will thank you one day. :)
hamid is no masih or "anointed one". please do not tarnish the masih by associating that with him.
he will thank you one day. :)
#69 Posted by hamza_yusufzai on May 7, 2008 7:28:31 pm
ana bibi (sine jee seems 2 be ur pet peeve) i get it that u might not want him...but we get blamed 4 our ass-holes so u need to own urs...he is wat he is..i have said many a times that we dont treat our minorities well in pakistan n shame on us but when these bitter individuals gain annonymity than that hate n bitterness is on display with all guns blazing..which might be justified to some extent but as a society we shouldnt justify crazies pissing in the air..the society at large needs to be protected..if someone likes to soak in there own piss than they should fill upp a glass n drown in it in the privacy of there own home...take a page from the playbook of muhtaram mirza ghualm ahmed qadiyani for the love of God.
#70 Posted by ana on May 7, 2008 7:36:24 pm
hamza hamza hamza, . . . . :(((
hamid is a blazing atheist, has been since time immemorial which is how old he is too and the sharaab hasn't killed him yet. he belongs to none of us, so yahaaN ownership ka sawaal hi paida nahiN hota. what the hell are you talking about?
hamid is a blazing atheist, has been since time immemorial which is how old he is too and the sharaab hasn't killed him yet. he belongs to none of us, so yahaaN ownership ka sawaal hi paida nahiN hota. what the hell are you talking about?
#71 Posted by hamza_yusufzai on May 7, 2008 7:42:36 pm
Chalein mein maazrat kiyayy layta hoon...mayra kissi kayy ghar aana jana to hay nahii..aap kehtii hein kay hamid dayharya hay to mein manay laytay hoon...
waysay mayri schooling st. judes mein hoi hay....mayra shikwa nafrat say nahii hay, generalization or niri jahalat say zyada hay.
waysay mayri schooling st. judes mein hoi hay....mayra shikwa nafrat say nahii hay, generalization or niri jahalat say zyada hay.
#72 Posted by hamidm2 on May 8, 2008 12:04:55 am
Re: # 70
ana,
..... now you are tarnishing the poor atheists !...... that is the problem with you religious types - mohammedans, christians and jews - you think atheists are worse than hindoos and even lower that mirzaees ...... no wonder nobody wants to fess up to being an honorable atheist .....
...... by the way, i was born a moslem and will die a moslem ..... whether i believe in all that nonsense about men and angels conversing in dark caves, is another story ..... like tahmed, i have my own interpretation of islam which transcends the koran and sunnah .....
ana,
..... now you are tarnishing the poor atheists !...... that is the problem with you religious types - mohammedans, christians and jews - you think atheists are worse than hindoos and even lower that mirzaees ...... no wonder nobody wants to fess up to being an honorable atheist .....
...... by the way, i was born a moslem and will die a moslem ..... whether i believe in all that nonsense about men and angels conversing in dark caves, is another story ..... like tahmed, i have my own interpretation of islam which transcends the koran and sunnah .....
#73 Posted by hamidm2 on May 8, 2008 12:14:21 am
Re: # 67
tahemd,
..... i am not the one who is mocking the unwashed masses - the poor fools made a mockery out of themselves by voting for these clowns and actually believing that things would be better .... i could say, 'i told you so', but i won't ..... and stop blaming zardari, nawaz sharif is no better ....... don't you ever question what these guys are doong galavanting in london and dubai when the unwashed masses are struggling to buy a 10 rupee roti and sweltering in the heat without electricity ? .......... the reason i like sheikh rashid is that he can always be reached at the lal haveli in pindi sweating under his rayon hair ........
so now maybe you will join me :
sheikh rashid zindabad!
prsident musharraf zindabad!
.......... as these horrible hindoos like to point out so often, moslems and democracy just don't go together .... so let's accpet our hosnis, abdullahs and gaddafis and get on with life ........sorry to burst your bubble (again)
tahemd,
..... i am not the one who is mocking the unwashed masses - the poor fools made a mockery out of themselves by voting for these clowns and actually believing that things would be better .... i could say, 'i told you so', but i won't ..... and stop blaming zardari, nawaz sharif is no better ....... don't you ever question what these guys are doong galavanting in london and dubai when the unwashed masses are struggling to buy a 10 rupee roti and sweltering in the heat without electricity ? .......... the reason i like sheikh rashid is that he can always be reached at the lal haveli in pindi sweating under his rayon hair ........
so now maybe you will join me :
sheikh rashid zindabad!
prsident musharraf zindabad!
.......... as these horrible hindoos like to point out so often, moslems and democracy just don't go together .... so let's accpet our hosnis, abdullahs and gaddafis and get on with life ........sorry to burst your bubble (again)
#74 Posted by zeemax on May 8, 2008 12:42:20 am
#72 Posted by hamidm2,
Wow! Could you share that with us please?
Wow! Could you share that with us please?
#75 Posted by ana on May 8, 2008 1:09:13 am
hamid:
all these years you've been lying to us???!!! jhooTa, makaar, farebi!
all these years you've been lying to us???!!! jhooTa, makaar, farebi!
#76 Posted by philosopher on May 8, 2008 1:33:25 am
Re: # 75
hamid deserves a good firm spanking.After taming neembu my next task is to make his old bottom sore.
hamid deserves a good firm spanking.After taming neembu my next task is to make his old bottom sore.
#77 Posted by tahmed32 on May 8, 2008 4:13:19 am
#73 hamdim: actually, you were predicting that musharraf would become the "hosni mubarak of pakistan" and i said he would become the "convenient idiot of the politicians" - and the latter is essentially what musharraf is doing his best to be kept on as now that his ambitions of being a life-long dictator are gone with his "wardi".
As for your view that the "unwashed masses" of pakistan are doomed to stay that way - first, the "unwashed masses" who turned "hosni mubarak wannabe" to "convenient idiot wannabe" led by civil society (lawyers, human rights activists, journalists). not by foul-mouthed, foul-smelling unwashed maulvis.
And the civil society in Pakistan, the champions of the "unwashed masses", is going to grow stronger with each passing year.
So - once again, I hope there is something you are personally gaining by applauding the lotas, ghoondas and corrupt politicians. Because otherwise you seem like an idiot, applauding bandits who are busy helping themselves to what is yours.
As for your view that the "unwashed masses" of pakistan are doomed to stay that way - first, the "unwashed masses" who turned "hosni mubarak wannabe" to "convenient idiot wannabe" led by civil society (lawyers, human rights activists, journalists). not by foul-mouthed, foul-smelling unwashed maulvis.
And the civil society in Pakistan, the champions of the "unwashed masses", is going to grow stronger with each passing year.
So - once again, I hope there is something you are personally gaining by applauding the lotas, ghoondas and corrupt politicians. Because otherwise you seem like an idiot, applauding bandits who are busy helping themselves to what is yours.
#78 Posted by majumdar on May 8, 2008 4:20:00 am
Tahmed sahib,
Re: 77
What is happening in Pakistan today is the inevitable consequence of rising income levels, literacy rates and awareness levels. There is no magic in it. If this trend continues, maybe in another 10-15 years military intervention in politics wud be unthinkable. Just like much of South East/East Asia (barring China).
Regards
Re: 77
What is happening in Pakistan today is the inevitable consequence of rising income levels, literacy rates and awareness levels. There is no magic in it. If this trend continues, maybe in another 10-15 years military intervention in politics wud be unthinkable. Just like much of South East/East Asia (barring China).
Regards
#79 Posted by zeemax on May 8, 2008 4:25:34 am
#78 Posted by majumdar,
I disagree majumdar. What is happening today is the inevitable consequence of rising fed-up-ness level.
I disagree majumdar. What is happening today is the inevitable consequence of rising fed-up-ness level.
#80 Posted by tahmed32 on May 8, 2008 4:41:55 am
#78 I agree with majumdar. What Musharraf (and Hamidm) are up against are the tides of economic forces. The american revolution was brought about not by indentured servants and slaves but by moneyed men - washington, hamilton, jefferson and co. The french revolution came about after a century of rising prosperity.
I agree with zeemax too - people had gotten increasingly fed up of the arrogant, lawless and ultimately incompetent ways of musharraf, and his "firing" of the CJ on march 9 was the last straw.
The rising middle classes are the rising tide for democratization and the rule of law. And middle classes (unless they are like hamidm) dont tolerate "hosni mubaraks" for too long.
I agree with zeemax too - people had gotten increasingly fed up of the arrogant, lawless and ultimately incompetent ways of musharraf, and his "firing" of the CJ on march 9 was the last straw.
The rising middle classes are the rising tide for democratization and the rule of law. And middle classes (unless they are like hamidm) dont tolerate "hosni mubaraks" for too long.
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