Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul

Gandhism can be followed only in India OR only in the rest of the world.

When India followed Gandhism, the rest of the world despised it. I still remember the sense of horror I felt in school days reading Gandhi being described as a cowardly Hindu political acrobat in a foreign magazine.

Now that we have no use for the man, the word has gone in a tizzy celebrating him, particularly in our neighborhood.

India is small. The rest of the world is large. I would MUCH rather Gandhism have a larger scope and following than us poor Indians can offer it.

Adieu Gandhi and Gandhism. May you prosper in the rest of the world. We will miss you but like any good parent, India must part with your for your own good.

nkg,


gtg. I'd reply to this tinite.

Re: # 47
Nehru had no magic wand to remove poverty. India was bled white by British for 2-3 centuries. Nehru also inherited the hate and social dissonance son ater 1947. He cant speak Jinnah's language nor he's saintly.

Ans: Yes man. But China was in worse situation than India. British had created basic infrastructure in almost all the fields. We needed to scale up. Nothing more was required. What had he done?
Kicked all the British owned companies (construction companies), which used to provide technological backbone. Today you are seeing L & T etc...Calcutta/Howrah was host of such companies, which was number one in Asia ( Burns Standards etc...). What was the need for Nehru to do that?
Nehru was not the only power centre in Congress. Couple of other leaders contributed. The IIT, constitution etc...was brainchild of Bengal Congress leaders (Dr. B C Roy); which people give credit to Nehru...
Regarding Nathuram Godse...Gandhi was supposed to be killed. So much bloodshed, and he will evade it!!!! But this poor chap made it very early. Gandhi was supposed to see his unpopularity and then die...Poor chap had not allowed that...

52, Majumdar,

"The result is there for all to see. How does one justify the crippling of India's private enterprise or the complete neglect of basic education and healthcare?"

Now u are a bit clear. Thanks.

Can u tell me how Nehru crippled private enterprise? Tatas, Birlas grew inspite of the bureacracy inherited from the British Indian govt. Nehru never crippled them. If the existing laws were cumbuersome, he didnt bother since propping-up business class was not his first priority. I think his economic policies were piloted by Mahalanobis.

Increasing arable land was his first pririty but he bothered to take care of higher education and made statutory
provisions for an enlightend India (not Gandhian India). His conributions to Indian Constitution (at least facilitation), Knowledge-base, Industrial sector are unquestionable.

Abt basic education and healthcare, u knw that these are the state subjects. How can the PM of India is blamed form PHCs and schools in villages.

Thanx u clarified on Godse but retracted by heaping abuse on Gandhi.

Re: # 37
Vengat...

Cholas, Cheras and Pandias butchered Vaishnavites and Buddhists in the south. Do you know the temples in Sabarimalai and Tirupati were Buddhist monasteries once?

Ans: The vaisnav movement was offsoot of Budhism/Jainism. So, it should not be surprising that Budhdhists/Jains become vaisnavs and performed puja of local avatar of vishnu...
Indian are God loving/fearing. Budhist/Jain philosophy is OK; but without the presence of God, it was not supposed to survive...
I am not aware of any violence by Cholas against civilians...

Muthu bhai,

Welcome back, missed u a lot.

VRV,

(He prapared the solid base for India's development. )

The result is there for all to see. How does one justify the crippling of India's private enterprise or the complete neglect of basic education and healthcare?

(He made some mistakes like believing China blindly but made amends soon after that.)

Yes, that he did. China licked India in Oct 1962 and he popped off in May 1964!!! Good amends.

(Do u think u are perfect.)

NO!!!

(that many here celabrate Godse but cant say it openly.)

OK let me say it openly. Godse was an a***hole who killed MKG and allowed him to be apotheosised (sorry for the spelling) as a five star saint. Both of them deserve to rot in hell.

Regards

Re: # 34
Vengat...
was an uprising that was similar to Subash Chandra Bose's violence.
Ans: Vengat, equitaing a Haji (completed course in barbarism/terrorism) to Subhas Bose is something of very poor taste. Subhas Bose was President of Congress with left leaning. He had never harmed any civilian, even the British people living in India. He was mayor of Calcutta and knew the pros and cons of democratic movement and military activity. You are equating these barbaric jihadis with INA!!!! Very sad.....

#48 by masanamuthu

Do you think Muslims despise Aurangazeb?.. I think that he is appreciated by Sunni Muslims. He is the one who stemmed the rot creeping into Islam in the form of culture et..al..

One side of Muslims admires him for being a pious Muslim who never missed a single prayer and bringing in Sharia-type rule to India. Another side despises him for being the man under whom the decline of Muslim rule in India started.

#48 by masanamuthu

Do you think Muslims despise Aurangazeb?.. I think that he is appreciated by Sunni Muslims. He is the one who stemmed the rot creeping into Islam in the form of culture et..al..

One side of Muslims admires him for being a pious Muslim who never missed a single prayer and bringing in Sharia-type rule to India. Another side despises him for being the man under whom the decline of Muslim rule in India started.

Yet he is despised by Hindus as the man who imposed Jiziya and Muslims as the man under whose rule decline of the Mughal empire started.

This is interesting. Do you think Muslims despise Aurangazeb?.. I think that he is appreciated by Sunni Muslims. He is the one who stemmed the rot creeping into Islam in the form of culture et..al..

Why do people think Jinnah and Gandhi as adversaries. Both have done good to India. I think Jinnah's contribution is more and under appreciated in India. Think about this. All the news reports now would talk about "Indian jihadis" instead of "Pakistani jihadis".

If not for Jinnah / partition we would all be living as "dhimmis" in the new caliphate initiated by Gandhi .

#44 Posted by majumdar on May 5, 2008 5:16:05 am

Majumdarda,

Unless, u say anything clearly, it's impossible to talk abt any issue. What muddled thinking? What's it?

Nehru had no magic wand to remove poverty. India was bled white by British for 2-3 centuries. Nehru also inherited the hate and social dissonance son ater 1947. He cant speak Jinnah's language nor he's saintly.

He prapared the solid base for India's development. He started big insuduries. He invested in higher education and becoz of him we have Reseach instts, IITs, Nuclear and Space acievements.

He made some mistakes like believing China blindly but made amends soon after that. Nobody is perfect. Do u think u are perfect. I am not.

The recurring problem on Chowk is that many here celabrate Godse but cant say it openly. Thye want eternal bloodshed but cant lift dhoti to start one real fight. :(

Harishbhai,

Pakis (barring YLH, Zee and Zeena) dont go out to defend MAJ (pbuh) but they all revere him very much. And Pakis dont criticise him either or say that Pakistan was a mistake.

Regards

#44 by majumdar

But is MAJ (pbuh) despised by his own countrymen.

Apart from Yasser and a couple of other Chowkies, I haven't seen any wholesale admirers of Jinnah either.

VRV sahib,

His muddled thinking substantially delayed India from breaking about of poverty.

Harishbhai,

(Yet he is despised )

About Aurangzeb, yes. But is MAJ (pbuh) despised by his own countrymen.

(Gaffar Khan, the man who inspired the fiercely proud Pushtuns to embrace non-violence. )

Not all Pushtoons. Only the Verkottey Vilayetis (you can ask Zee sahib about that). The true blue Pushtoons (the Waziris, the FATA gang et al) never accepted his leadership.

Regards

#35 by majumdar

Just on the strength of his personality and incorruptibility.

Majumdar bhai, Aurangzeb was also said to be very austere and frugal. Yet he is despised by Hindus as the man who imposed Jiziya and Muslims as the man under whose rule decline of the Mughal empire started. It is easy to whip up paranoia amongst the masses and incite them to tear their opponents to shreds, far more difficult to inspire people to withstand beatings and yet not retaliate; and through the force of moral invincibility, force the oppressors to free them. Both Gandhi and Khan Abdul Gaffar Khan were great men who achieved that. If Pakis need a hero, they needn't look beyond Gaffar Khan, the man who inspired the fiercely proud Pushtuns to embrace non-violence.

Majumadar,

Poverty is the result of pluner of India for several cennturies. Why Nehru is to blame for that?