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Vengat Garu,

(but not the cause?)

Becuase there was no cause to begin with. Moplahs were jihadis like the Waziris. And at least the Waziris are fighting for their legitimate right to sovereignity.

Regards

Vengat Garu,

(Cholas, Cheras and Pandias butchered Vaishnavites and Buddhists in the south.)

Sources please. By the way if there was any violence by Hindoos against Buddhists, I dont justify that. Neither do I jutsify MKG's support for Muslim violence against Hindoos.

(Do you know the temples in Sabarimalai and Tirupati were Buddhist monasteries once? )

Sir in ancient times waht was Jainism, Buddhism and Hindooism (if such a thing existed) was possibly never very clear. Hindooism adopted Buddha as the ninth avatar of Vishnu and also adopted much of Jain philosophy especially vegetarianism.

Regards

Maju Anna,

Annie Beasant too was a human and she could have had tinted eyes too. Why is that she was horrified about the effect but not the cause?

VRV,

(JLN's a statesman. )

The results of his statesmanship can be seen every morning- besides the railway tracks.

Vengat Garu,

Pls read Ms. Besant's description of the Moplah rebellion. To the best of my knowledge Ms. Besant was not a bajrangi.

Regards

And I don't remember Gandhi condoning/condemning Subash hyper-actively.


Cholas, Cheras and Pandias butchered Vaishnavites and Buddhists in the south. Do you know the temples in Sabarimalai and Tirupati were Buddhist monasteries once?

This is from Annie Basant...She was neither Hindu nor part of RSS...

Annie Besant stated: "They (Moplahs) murdered and plundered abundantly, and killed or drove away all Hindus who would not apostatise. Somewhere about a lakh (100,000) of people were driven from their homes with nothing but their clothes they had on, stripped of everything...Malabar has taught us what Islamic rule still means, and we do not want to see another specimen of the Khilafat Raj in India."

Harishbhai,

I do not mean to belittle Saladin but MAJ (pbuh) achieved his goal, an independent nation for desi Muslims without having any guns or army on his side. Just on the strength of his personality and incorruptibility. Supporters of non-violence would surely appreciate that. Besides Saladin had the unstinted support of Muslims in his jihad against Crusaders, MAJ (pbuh) often faced a hostile Muslim clergy.

Regards

Majumdar,

"I am blaming him for overlooking the killings by the Moplahs, not for the Moplahs actual act of killing."

It was not the case of Muslims killing Hindus but a case of proletariats killing landlords. It was an uprising that was similar to Subash Chandra Bose's violence. Would Subash Bose have of thought of taking to weapons if the British had allowed us to live with dignity and opportunities?

Majumdarda,

It's a lie that SVP had majority support. Right wingers like him for his anti-Jinnah stance. That way I too lke him but he's not a PM material. JLN's a statesman.

Re: # 29
Vengat...

Ans: How can a peasants movement turns out to be Jihad? The Moplas had declared the land as part of Khalifa. Is that something to do with land rights to the farmers?
Budhdhism and Jainism incorporated in Indian value system, much before Gandhi. The vaisnav movement is the melting pot between Budhdhism and Sanatan Dharma. There is no point bringing Gandhi into this picture...

Vengat Garu,

This is what Annie Besant had to say about the Moplahs.

"They Moplahs murdered and plundered abundantly, and killed or drove away all Hindus who would not apostatise. Somewhere about a lakh (100,000) of people were driven from their homes with nothing but their clothes they had on, stripped of everything...Malabar has taught us what Islamic rule still means, and we do not want to see another specimen of the Khilafat Raj in India."

And no Ms. Besant had no links with the Bajrang Dal.

(and the killings of Buddhists doesn't come to our mind?)

To the best of my knowledge only Pushyamitra Sunga and Shashank of Gauda have been known to have persecuted Buddhists. Can you show an authentic source to prove widespread violence against Buddhists?

Regards

#25 by majumdar

No. I have criticised him for his hypocritical stand in calling for the Partition of India but opposing the partition of Punjab and Bengal.

Thanks Majumdar bhai for clearing that up. Obviously, I must have been mistaken. Apologies!

But he is undoubtedly Islam's greatest leader since the Prophet himself.

It is unfortunate that many stalwarts like Saladin etc. fail to find mention but a man who divided India finds a place just behind the prophet :-)

Mind you, my beef is not so much against the division as the manner in which it was achieved; by driving a permanent wedge between Hindus and Muslims.

Re: # 27
NKG,

Moplah violence started when the Hindu landlords denied the Moplah's the lands they were tilling.

Hinduism was once an equally, if not more, gory religion. Why is that Shaivites Vs Vaisnavites and the killings of Buddhists doesn't come to our mind? It doesn't occur to us because Gandhi repositioned and branded Hinduism in a different plane from other violent religions. We have accepted to see Hinduism as a non-violent religion and all credit to the Mahatma.

But for him we would have been butchering on intra and inter religious premises.

Vengat Garu,

Moplah wasn't Gandhi's creation as Majumdar et al want us to believe.

You dont read me properly and then put words in my mouth. Kindly read what I wrote to Harishbhai in 18.

I am blaming him for overlooking the killings by the Moplahs, not for the Moplahs actual act of killing.

(he had no chance of knowing what would have been good for Muslims. )

Or Hindoos either.

(Perhaps he too was confused )

Yes.

I am glad that Vengat Garu agrees that:

MKG was an ignoramus.
MKG was a confused person.

Regards

(Harishbhai thanks for showing me how to paste in bold!!!)

NKG,

Moplah wasn't Gandhi's creation as Majumdar et al want us to believe. Gandhi was no authority over Muslims and he had no chance of knowing what would have been good for Muslims. Perhaps he too was confused like our own Eklavya who seems to understand Muslims as belonging to a system different from Maslow's hierarchy.

VRV,

Unlike Yasser mian I dont keep notes very well but if I can get a reference I will surely post it.

Regards