Juan Sandoval May 3, 2008
#201 Posted by nkg on May 8, 2008 5:09:46 am
Enough debate...
Couple of drops of tears for Nirmala-didi. She had done quite a good job to reduce hiostility without causing any trouble to anybody...All Gandhians are not as bad/hyppocrete as Gandhi
Couple of drops of tears for Nirmala-didi. She had done quite a good job to reduce hiostility without causing any trouble to anybody...All Gandhians are not as bad/hyppocrete as Gandhi
#200 Posted by majumdar on May 8, 2008 5:04:31 am
Vengy,
(Can you enlarge on the motives, of the Stalinist historians, to play up the sectarian discrimination?)
Yes, the Stalinists needed to discredit the one thing that prevented India from going Red- Hindooism.
Regards
(Can you enlarge on the motives, of the Stalinist historians, to play up the sectarian discrimination?)
Yes, the Stalinists needed to discredit the one thing that prevented India from going Red- Hindooism.
Regards
#199 Posted by majumdar on May 8, 2008 5:03:02 am
VRV,
Henry Kissinger got the Nobel because he was a great human being, right?
And isnt it quite curious how VS Naipaul got the Nobel in 2001 a month or two after 9/11. Maybe it was just a coincidence?
Regards
Henry Kissinger got the Nobel because he was a great human being, right?
And isnt it quite curious how VS Naipaul got the Nobel in 2001 a month or two after 9/11. Maybe it was just a coincidence?
Regards
#198 Posted by vengatramanan on May 8, 2008 5:02:55 am
Majumdar,
Can you enlarge on the motives, of the Stalinist historians, to play up the sectarian discrimination? To my knowledge they were more interested in propounding the efficacy of state owned/controlled businesses...
Can you enlarge on the motives, of the Stalinist historians, to play up the sectarian discrimination? To my knowledge they were more interested in propounding the efficacy of state owned/controlled businesses...
#197 Posted by majumdar on May 8, 2008 5:00:19 am
VRV,
(Nehru was a democrat)
Maybe you can explain the sacking of the Left govt in Kerala (1959?). Or the death of SP Mukherjee in govt custody.
(but not a Stalinist.)
Stalinist (almost) in economic policies.
(Stop pretending like a soft liberal.)
When did I say that I was a liberaloon? I am a (slightly) right of centre Hindoo. And the Sanghis with their mindless opposition to kanjarpana and cow slaughter are no more closer to my heart than the Gandhians are.
Regards
(Nehru was a democrat)
Maybe you can explain the sacking of the Left govt in Kerala (1959?). Or the death of SP Mukherjee in govt custody.
(but not a Stalinist.)
Stalinist (almost) in economic policies.
(Stop pretending like a soft liberal.)
When did I say that I was a liberaloon? I am a (slightly) right of centre Hindoo. And the Sanghis with their mindless opposition to kanjarpana and cow slaughter are no more closer to my heart than the Gandhians are.
Regards
#196 Posted by VRV on May 8, 2008 4:59:46 am
Pl dont say that Nobel Committe is like a govt office in Calcutta where u can influence a person or a group of ppl to award Nobel.
OMG, u r far dangerous than Kaalachakra.
OMG, u r far dangerous than Kaalachakra.
#195 Posted by VRV on May 8, 2008 4:55:01 am
If JNU is anathema then u'd find LSE to be equally loathesome. U dont kow how REDD the campus of LSE is. JNU's supposed to be modelled on JNU and it's just living to its creed.
Have pride and call urself a saffronite. Stop pretending like a soft liberal. Be true to urself.
Have pride and call urself a saffronite. Stop pretending like a soft liberal. Be true to urself.
#194 Posted by VRV on May 8, 2008 4:53:15 am
Majumdar,
Nehru was a democrat but not a Stalinist. We in India use these terms very loosely - perhaps to sund like analysts.
Nehru was a democrat but not a Stalinist. We in India use these terms very loosely - perhaps to sund like analysts.
#193 Posted by majumdar on May 8, 2008 4:40:46 am
Nkg,
I never said that AS lobbied for it. It is just that Nobel guys were looking at a welfare economist to cover their faces after the LTCM fiasco.
(And what is this Mohammed Asadi folk?)
He is none other than our beloved Hazrat Masadi of chowk.com fame.
Regards
I never said that AS lobbied for it. It is just that Nobel guys were looking at a welfare economist to cover their faces after the LTCM fiasco.
(And what is this Mohammed Asadi folk?)
He is none other than our beloved Hazrat Masadi of chowk.com fame.
Regards
#192 Posted by nkg on May 8, 2008 4:31:33 am
Re: # 179
Majumder...
Noble in economics...
AS was brilliant student throughout his career. It is very ugly to say that, he had received that through lobbying.
And what is this Mohammed Asadi folk? Is it Mohammed Younis of BD. Yes,that guy was also engaged in poor man's economics. AS was nominated for the same prize couple of times more.
Nobel peace prizes are mostly political...
Majumder...
Noble in economics...
AS was brilliant student throughout his career. It is very ugly to say that, he had received that through lobbying.
And what is this Mohammed Asadi folk? Is it Mohammed Younis of BD. Yes,that guy was also engaged in poor man's economics. AS was nominated for the same prize couple of times more.
Nobel peace prizes are mostly political...
#191 Posted by majumdar on May 8, 2008 4:09:59 am
Nkg,
RK Hegde was not a Lingayat, he was a Brahmin but yes he was favoured by the Lingayats of North Karnataka.
The Hindoos did discriminate on caste grounds but rarely persecuted anyone on sectarian grounds. That is just a fiction the Nehruvian Stalinists from JNU (alleged historians) have pulled out from their own rears.
Regards
RK Hegde was not a Lingayat, he was a Brahmin but yes he was favoured by the Lingayats of North Karnataka.
The Hindoos did discriminate on caste grounds but rarely persecuted anyone on sectarian grounds. That is just a fiction the Nehruvian Stalinists from JNU (alleged historians) have pulled out from their own rears.
Regards
#190 Posted by nkg on May 8, 2008 4:04:58 am
Re: # 189
Vengat...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulothunga_Chola_II
This tells different story. I am not opposing your view. In Karnataka, Vokkaliga ( Vaisnavaites) and Lingayats (Shiviites) are two dominant groups, which generally competes in all sphere of life ( famous DeveGowda Vs. R K Hegde or very recent HD Kumarswamy Vs. Yedurappa in politics). I have not seen violence between these communities or aware of any such history. I will investigate with couple of our collegues. They will be able to tell me the exact story. In fact, Tipu Ghazi/Sultan's dark side you will find from the local folk tells in Mandya and Shimoga region...
Vengat...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulothunga_Chola_II
This tells different story. I am not opposing your view. In Karnataka, Vokkaliga ( Vaisnavaites) and Lingayats (Shiviites) are two dominant groups, which generally competes in all sphere of life ( famous DeveGowda Vs. R K Hegde or very recent HD Kumarswamy Vs. Yedurappa in politics). I have not seen violence between these communities or aware of any such history. I will investigate with couple of our collegues. They will be able to tell me the exact story. In fact, Tipu Ghazi/Sultan's dark side you will find from the local folk tells in Mandya and Shimoga region...
#189 Posted by vengatramanan on May 8, 2008 2:41:44 am
Shaivites persecuted Vaishnavites...Start from here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramanuja
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramanuja
#188 Posted by nkg on May 8, 2008 2:05:55 am
Re: # 186
Vengat...
Ram is not uniting factor for all Indians. In West Bengal, Assam & Orrisa, Ram is just a character from epic Ramayana. He might not be fictitious character and may be incarnation of Vishnu, but people don't connect him with divinity. Same goes the story with Tripura and other North Eastern states. Jammu, Punjab, Maharashtra and Konkan region. Ram is not main god of the people.
If you follow the path of Ram, it is UP, MP, AP, Karnataka and Tamilnadu. In these states you will find Ram temples.....
Vengat...
Ram is not uniting factor for all Indians. In West Bengal, Assam & Orrisa, Ram is just a character from epic Ramayana. He might not be fictitious character and may be incarnation of Vishnu, but people don't connect him with divinity. Same goes the story with Tripura and other North Eastern states. Jammu, Punjab, Maharashtra and Konkan region. Ram is not main god of the people.
If you follow the path of Ram, it is UP, MP, AP, Karnataka and Tamilnadu. In these states you will find Ram temples.....
#187 Posted by nkg on May 8, 2008 1:57:20 am
Majumder, Haris...
Ans: We have obligation towards Bangladeshi Hindus. That is OK, but then, Bangladesh had to take the obligation of WB moslems. We have taken obligation of Bangladeshi Hindus, poor Bangladeshi Muslims and we have WB moslems. Eastern districts (Nadia, 24 PGS, Malda...) have exceptionally high population density and this excessive population is killing WB...
Regarding ration card etc.. it is controlled in rural body level. Each political party is equally responsible for this. SUCI,CPI(M), Congress, TC...everybody needs muslim vote (fastest growing and only segment of vote in WB)....
Ans: We have obligation towards Bangladeshi Hindus. That is OK, but then, Bangladesh had to take the obligation of WB moslems. We have taken obligation of Bangladeshi Hindus, poor Bangladeshi Muslims and we have WB moslems. Eastern districts (Nadia, 24 PGS, Malda...) have exceptionally high population density and this excessive population is killing WB...
Regarding ration card etc.. it is controlled in rural body level. Each political party is equally responsible for this. SUCI,CPI(M), Congress, TC...everybody needs muslim vote (fastest growing and only segment of vote in WB)....
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