Juan Sandoval May 3, 2008
#233 Posted by VRV on May 9, 2008 5:27:50 pm
NKG,
Nehru visited Kerala at the invitation of Namboo but was against the imposition of Art 356. It's reported in the newspapers of that time. (There's widespread unrest in Kerala then).
However the Governor of Kerala Dr. B. Ramakrishna Rao gave his report to the Prez of India. It states interalia:
1. Mass release of prisoners (Commies) who murdered policemen
2. Interference in the police administration (tho laughable as if police and govt is separate)
3. Police interference in labour-management disputes
4. Govt's active backing in left Vs non-left trade unions
5. Meddling with civil service (weak point)
6. Use of govt-aided Co-Op societies in promoting Commie parties
7. Brutality and violent suppresion fo student agitations
8. Enactment of unpopular Education Act (run by Nairs and Christians)
9. Use of govt machinery to consolidate Commie party network
Inspite of the semi-chargesheet of the Governor, I am of the opinion that Nehru erred in dismissing the Namboo govt. However Indira Gandhi (bitch) was instrumental in effecting this dismissal.
Nehru visited Kerala at the invitation of Namboo but was against the imposition of Art 356. It's reported in the newspapers of that time. (There's widespread unrest in Kerala then).
However the Governor of Kerala Dr. B. Ramakrishna Rao gave his report to the Prez of India. It states interalia:
1. Mass release of prisoners (Commies) who murdered policemen
2. Interference in the police administration (tho laughable as if police and govt is separate)
3. Police interference in labour-management disputes
4. Govt's active backing in left Vs non-left trade unions
5. Meddling with civil service (weak point)
6. Use of govt-aided Co-Op societies in promoting Commie parties
7. Brutality and violent suppresion fo student agitations
8. Enactment of unpopular Education Act (run by Nairs and Christians)
9. Use of govt machinery to consolidate Commie party network
Inspite of the semi-chargesheet of the Governor, I am of the opinion that Nehru erred in dismissing the Namboo govt. However Indira Gandhi (bitch) was instrumental in effecting this dismissal.
#232 Posted by majumdar on May 9, 2008 4:50:25 am
Nkg,
JLN did not make much money becuase there was no money to be made. As they say, majoboori ka naam Mahatma Gandhi.
Regards
JLN did not make much money becuase there was no money to be made. As they say, majoboori ka naam Mahatma Gandhi.
Regards
#231 Posted by nkg on May 9, 2008 4:48:34 am
Re: # 221
"Nehru is not involved in any financial iregularity. Have u heard of Anand Bhavan in Allahabad?
P.S: U must have head of Ranjan Bhattacharya the son-in-law of Vajpayee who made crores of ruppes from wheelings and dealings? That sucker use to demand free kebabs from Ashoka Hotels in Dehli. What a cheap fellow he's!"
Ans: Who knows? Indian administration was nascent then. f you see the family tree (Indira, Rajiv, Sanjay...), it will be quite natural that he was not honest person.
Few kebabs are very less compared to stealing the entire Congress party and its power...
What is special about Anand Bhawan?
"Nehru is not involved in any financial iregularity. Have u heard of Anand Bhavan in Allahabad?
P.S: U must have head of Ranjan Bhattacharya the son-in-law of Vajpayee who made crores of ruppes from wheelings and dealings? That sucker use to demand free kebabs from Ashoka Hotels in Dehli. What a cheap fellow he's!"
Ans: Who knows? Indian administration was nascent then. f you see the family tree (Indira, Rajiv, Sanjay...), it will be quite natural that he was not honest person.
Few kebabs are very less compared to stealing the entire Congress party and its power...
What is special about Anand Bhawan?
#230 Posted by Kalam on May 9, 2008 3:48:35 am
I think Vengat Bhai would share my thoughts on this...
#229 Posted by Kalam on May 9, 2008 3:47:34 am
Majumdar,
Poor peasants may not give away their land but would very much like to see themselves as part owners of all other institutions. The whole agri system we have is very well suited for a socialist system. GT will vouch for it. He has been expecting Wall-Marts of the world to run the Indian agri.
They know how evil are the capitalists. Afterall aren't they harassed unduly whenever they default because of crop failures which again is due to monsoon failures which again they have no control over it.
Poor peasants may not give away their land but when a government strips of their lands under aegis of developmental activities they have no other option egs Narmada, Vaigai, defence sites etc...etc...
Poor peasants may not give away their land but would very much like to see themselves as part owners of all other institutions. The whole agri system we have is very well suited for a socialist system. GT will vouch for it. He has been expecting Wall-Marts of the world to run the Indian agri.
They know how evil are the capitalists. Afterall aren't they harassed unduly whenever they default because of crop failures which again is due to monsoon failures which again they have no control over it.
Poor peasants may not give away their land but when a government strips of their lands under aegis of developmental activities they have no other option egs Narmada, Vaigai, defence sites etc...etc...
#228 Posted by majumdar on May 9, 2008 3:04:10 am
Muthu bhai,
And among his Yes Men was a Krishna Menon who publcily defended Russian invasion of Hungary and later played politics with the Indian Army which cost it dear in the China war of 1962.
Regards
And among his Yes Men was a Krishna Menon who publcily defended Russian invasion of Hungary and later played politics with the Indian Army which cost it dear in the China war of 1962.
Regards
#227 Posted by masanamuthu on May 9, 2008 2:59:55 am
This is the reality of JLN's Mush like behaviour. Pandering to casteist and communalist outfits to dismiss a govt which tried to introduce land reforms and educational reforms.
Yes buddy,
I have read about the dismissal and wondered how Nehru was called the liberal democrat. After Patel's death, he became the supreme leader of Congress and got rid of leaders who were not 'yes' men.
Yes buddy,
I have read about the dismissal and wondered how Nehru was called the liberal democrat. After Patel's death, he became the supreme leader of Congress and got rid of leaders who were not 'yes' men.
#226 Posted by majumdar on May 9, 2008 2:11:57 am
Muthu bhai/VRV,
This is what I have dug up on the justification of the dismissal of EMS govt by the progressive, secular, democrat JLN.
http://kashaji.blogspot.com/2007/04/man-who-could-never-keep-his-job.htm l
(The Namboodiripad government in 1957 had irked the powerful Catholic church, the upper-caste Hindu Nair Service Society and the Indian Union Muslim League by introducing bills for radical land reforms and educational reforms. All these elements patronised the Oru anna samaram, the first student protest in Kerala, which employed violent tactics to protest against the government’s decision to raise the student concession rate in public sector boat services in the Ernakulam-Cherthala backwaters from 6 paise (one anna) to 10 paise.
As many as 15 agitators died in the police firing and finally the Centre invoked Article 356 to dismiss the government in 1959. “The struggle created an evil legacy of destructive politics in Kerala, of a brand of politics devoid of the element of sacrifice, of the politics that is a means of livelihood. This self-seeking politics deprived the Congress of the internal strength it had earned during the freedom struggle,� says political observer TK Ramachandran. Antony later expressed regret over his involvement in the anti-Namboodiripad struggle)
This is the reality of JLN's Mush like behaviour. Pandering to casteist and communalist outfits to dismiss a govt which tried to introduce land reforms and educational reforms.
Regards
This is what I have dug up on the justification of the dismissal of EMS govt by the progressive, secular, democrat JLN.
http://kashaji.blogspot.com/2007/04/man-who-could-never-keep-his-job.htm l
(The Namboodiripad government in 1957 had irked the powerful Catholic church, the upper-caste Hindu Nair Service Society and the Indian Union Muslim League by introducing bills for radical land reforms and educational reforms. All these elements patronised the Oru anna samaram, the first student protest in Kerala, which employed violent tactics to protest against the government’s decision to raise the student concession rate in public sector boat services in the Ernakulam-Cherthala backwaters from 6 paise (one anna) to 10 paise.
As many as 15 agitators died in the police firing and finally the Centre invoked Article 356 to dismiss the government in 1959. “The struggle created an evil legacy of destructive politics in Kerala, of a brand of politics devoid of the element of sacrifice, of the politics that is a means of livelihood. This self-seeking politics deprived the Congress of the internal strength it had earned during the freedom struggle,� says political observer TK Ramachandran. Antony later expressed regret over his involvement in the anti-Namboodiripad struggle)
This is the reality of JLN's Mush like behaviour. Pandering to casteist and communalist outfits to dismiss a govt which tried to introduce land reforms and educational reforms.
Regards
#225 Posted by masanamuthu on May 9, 2008 2:03:05 am
There'e no comparison btw Nehru and Mush.
VRV:
I was comparing your justification of Nehru being a 'democrat' using constitutional means to dismiss the government of Kerala with the justification used by Musharaff.
That comparison is very valid.
VRV:
I was comparing your justification of Nehru being a 'democrat' using constitutional means to dismiss the government of Kerala with the justification used by Musharaff.
That comparison is very valid.
#224 Posted by majumdar on May 9, 2008 2:01:40 am
Vengy,
I am not disputing your contention about agriculture being a loss making proposition. All I am saying is that India's peasants are very much attached to their private property (however miniscule or unprofitable it may be).
Regards
I am not disputing your contention about agriculture being a loss making proposition. All I am saying is that India's peasants are very much attached to their private property (however miniscule or unprofitable it may be).
Regards
#223 Posted by vengatramanan on May 9, 2008 1:45:51 am
Re: # 222
Majumdar,
We have/had a huge proleteriat population outnumbering peasants . The land holding of most of the peasants is miniscule. A proleteriat coolie earns as much the small farmer can. Agri is for losers.
You speak what is served by the government and the media.
There is no way these
losers would have hated socialism. Where do you get the government to write-off the loand?
Majumdar,
We have/had a huge proleteriat population outnumbering peasants . The land holding of most of the peasants is miniscule. A proleteriat coolie earns as much the small farmer can. Agri is for losers.
You speak what is served by the government and the media.
There is no way these
losers would have hated socialism. Where do you get the government to write-off the loand?
#222 Posted by majumdar on May 8, 2008 10:15:06 pm
VRV,
(Nehru is not involved in any financial iregularity. )
I never said that AS lobbied.
Vengy Garu,
(The notion of everything owned by everyone would have appealed to the Indian bent of mine)
I am afraid, you dont know anything about the Indian mind then. Injuns, particularly the peasantry, tend to be very possessive about private property. They may agree to a family owned farm but never a collective.
Regards
(Nehru is not involved in any financial iregularity. )
I never said that AS lobbied.
Vengy Garu,
(The notion of everything owned by everyone would have appealed to the Indian bent of mine)
I am afraid, you dont know anything about the Indian mind then. Injuns, particularly the peasantry, tend to be very possessive about private property. They may agree to a family owned farm but never a collective.
Regards
#221 Posted by VRV on May 8, 2008 4:05:46 pm
#218 Posted by nkg on May 8, 2008 6:09:35 am
Nehru is not involved in any financial iregularity. Have u heard of Anand Bhavan in Allahabad?
P.S: U must have head of Ranjan Bhattacharya the son-in-law of Vajpayee who made crores of ruppes from wheelings and dealings? That sucker use to demand free kebabs from Ashoka Hotels in Dehli. What a cheap fellow he's!
Masan,
There'e no comparison btw Nehru and Mush.
Mohar,
That's funny.
Nehru is not involved in any financial iregularity. Have u heard of Anand Bhavan in Allahabad?
P.S: U must have head of Ranjan Bhattacharya the son-in-law of Vajpayee who made crores of ruppes from wheelings and dealings? That sucker use to demand free kebabs from Ashoka Hotels in Dehli. What a cheap fellow he's!
Masan,
There'e no comparison btw Nehru and Mush.
Mohar,
That's funny.
#220 Posted by mohar11 on May 8, 2008 10:56:44 am
Of course nehru was no saint.. evens the "saints" themselves are not always that saintly... example: mother teresa...
#219 Posted by masanamuthu on May 8, 2008 10:20:38 am
As for Nehru being a democrat, yes he was and he ramained. AS for sacking of Kerala govt, he used the Constritutional provision, which is far more restrained than Indira's rash dismissals.
:-) I heard Musharaff became president through constitutional provisions..
:-) I heard Musharaff became president through constitutional provisions..
#218 Posted by nkg on May 8, 2008 6:09:35 am
VRV...
First major stock scam in India in 195x...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haridas_Mundhra
Nehru was no saint...
First major stock scam in India in 195x...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haridas_Mundhra
Nehru was no saint...
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