Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul

Re: # 128

Majumdar,

Nobody cares if Gandhi was foolish or intelligent. What endears him is his ideals, which brings out the innate goodness of human beings and which reassures us about the goodness of being good.

Have we ever analysed the foolishness of Ram and Lakshman in running behind a deer or Yudhistra's acceptance to sit for a game of gambling?

Vengy,

Look. We all admire his ideals but none of us wants India to adopt his ideals unilaterally. That about sums up MKG's greatness!!!

Regards

Majumdar,

A few days back I saw a news item on a self-sustaining British village. Looks like Gandhi was not only ahead of his contemporaries but our contemporaries too.

It was on CNN-IBN.

Vengy,

One swallow does not make a summer. But I am surprised that his homeland (India) has not disarmed itself volunatrily and turned the other cheek to Paki karnameys in Kashmir, Kargil etc.

Regards

Nkg,

Godse fool aborted India's true emancipation. Pl dont go by the caricature of Gandhi. If this Gandhi phenomenon had ran its course for another 15-20 years then following would have happened:
1. Dissolution of congress and birth of true democracy.
2. JN and other job seekers who were colonized in mind would not implemented alien concept of "secularism." Dharma is secular by design.
3. More integration of Dharmic folks ie uprooting of casticism.
4. Babu license raj would not have taken birth.
5. Citizens with more sense of belonging and social responsibility. Less corruption.
6. Franchise based on character and not on age. Caste politics would not have taken birth.
7. Environmentally benign real long term growth instead of fake green revolutions.
8. More emphasis on primary and secondary education and that too in vernacular medium. We would know more about our Pannini, Patanjali, Buddha, Nagarjuna, Dharmakirti, Bharthrhari, Shankara, Abhinavgupta, Bharata Muni, Gangesh, Kalidasa, Aryabhata and dozens of other great classical thinkers produced by India.

9 Technology and science growing from the grass roots. Now too late in the game, west will go on printing more $/Eu and we will go on doing testing, maintaining and nominally improving the technological products, the ownership will be always in their hand in forseeable future.

Indian civilization is still under gulami and probably more so, as prophet Munnanhai (PBUH) says "Des Apana Hogaya Par Log Paraye Hogaye."

Few sound bytes for right perspective:

"In the modern planetary situation, Eastern and Western 'cultures' can no longer meet one another as equal partners. They meet in a westernized world, under conditions shaped by western ways of thinking." --- W. Halbfass

Spiritual and intellectual svaraj (self-rule) is as fundamental to the long term success of a civilization as is svaraj in the political and financial areas.

Hardware is civilizational India but the OS is western. Cut and paste constitution is not Indian. far away from RamRajya so every one is breaking the law ...people have dont feel ownership of the law.

While India supplies information technology, biotechnology, corporate management, medical and other professionals to the most prestigious organizations of the world, it is unable to supply world-class scholars in the disciplines of its own traditions.

The most comprehensive and challenging knowledge representation systems available outside the West are contained in the Indian Classics but we are on the verge of losing it, because of foolish secularism of JN.

India even the non-aligned JN's India inspite of its economic growth is fast falling into the ghetto of South Asia.

They are talking End of History hope they start talking End of Religion, an Abrahmic exploitive concept.

Towards the end Gandhi had become the only tablet which could trnasform the western mind from inside. Godses of this world could have used it for his and Golwalkar's goal which were not that different from Gandhi's.
...Sorry I do not have time to elaborate or discuss, but I could not help this one. Young folks please don't murder Gandhi over and over again.

Guru,

Please do not despair. A (Islamic) version of the ideology that you worship is fast gaining currency in NWFP under the able guidance of Mahatma Baitullah Mehsud.

Regards

Re: # 134:Majnu,

dont have much time ... religion and dharma are like chalk and cheese. Pl read my past posts filtering out gali-galoch and anger. dharma is rooted in the land you stand on and enjoying life you are living.

If you truly mind your regards then you would read before spit out ...

Guru,

You were against us participating on Chowk. I thought you would never come back :)

#133 Posted by guru on May 7, 2008 4:03:39 am
guru,

Country is greater than individuals. I agree but talking abt a Mahatma (abt his murder) is abhorrant.

The list of things u gave are good but do u think that Indian schools dont teach abt the great ppl u mentioned? If so then u are not educated in India. If u think that the works of those ppl ALONE be taught then u better live in a cocoon.

What Greece did and doing is to the detriment of that great civilisation there. The best brains of Greece find jobs elsewhere leaving Greece for the teaching of its greats sons of the bygone era. India want to emulate Greece i.e learning abt India's great past???

I am gald that u proved urself right here.

"Indian civilization is still under gulami and probably more so, as prophet Munnanhai (PBUH) says "Des Apana Hogaya Par Log Paraye Hogaye."

Few sound bytes for right perspective:

"In the modern planetary situation, Eastern and Western 'cultures' can no longer meet one another as equal partners. They meet in a westernized world, under conditions shaped by western ways of thinking."
--- W. Halbfass"

(u neened a gora to prove ur point. SO much for love for native wisdom:( )

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Whatever said and done Gandhi was the key figure in India's independence. His ideas of cohabitation were pulverised by Islamists then but now the Hindutva brigade wants his name earsed from India is something I find unpalatable. His ideas are stupid as well as sublime but he never had a charter for India. He had a vision, a vision of goodwill and good people.

VRV,

Let us make peace. We, the Godseites (sic) give up attacking MKG and you guys give up attacking MAJ (pbuh). Also you guys admit that although MKG was a great man, his ideas should not be followed either by us in our personal life or by India politically, socially or economically. And Pakistanis disavow Jinnah's legacy including the principles laid down in his 8/11 speech.

Regards

Majumdar,

"Also you guys admit that although MKG was a great man, his ideas should not be followed either by us in our personal life or by India politically, socially or economically."

We don't have to. When people of your ideas get to rule, do whatever you want. Till then remember you live in a democracy where the numbers count...

Majumdar,

That makes sense but the quid pro quo is quite funny. U dont attack Gandhi but u Godseites bat for Jinnah??????

I love peace but given a choice I'd shoot all these mothefukkas (Godseites) in one go as a one-off measure.

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Gandhi's political, economic ideas are not feasible but social ideas are very much necessary else there'd be more caste fissures that're comparable with Hindu-Muslim detente.

#138 by majumdar

And Pakistanis disavow Jinnah's legacy including the principles laid down in his 8/11 speech.

All his life (well at least after he joined the ML, before which he was an insignificant non-practising Muslim (at least for the Muslim masses)) Jinnah raised slogans such as "Islam khatre mein", "Koran contains the complete way of life" etc. aimed at inciting Muslim masses, and to expect one hollow speech to guide Pakistan's future is like sowing a Pudine ka beej and expecting a Banyan tree to sprout out of it.

Re: # 141; harish
"Jinnah raised slogans such as "Islam khatre mein", "Koran contains the complete way of life" etc"

Excuse the French but what the f... did Jinah know about what was written in the Koran!

VRV,

(I'd shoot all these mothefukkas (Godseites) in one go )

Spoken like a true Gandhian!!!

Harishbhai,

MAJ (pbuh) espoused the separatist path very very late only in 1930s, he had been active in political life long before that.

Regards

#142 by akcheema

I have no idea Cheema bhai, but it was perhaps a ploy to buttress his Muslim credentials as at that time he wasn't very popular with the ordinary Muslim because of his fondness for Ham sandwiches and whisky.