Nirmala Deshpande - A Truly Great Soul

#48 by masanamuthu

Do you think Muslims despise Aurangazeb?.. I think that he is appreciated by Sunni Muslims. He is the one who stemmed the rot creeping into Islam in the form of culture et..al..

One side of Muslims admires him for being a pious Muslim who never missed a single prayer and bringing in Sharia-type rule to India. Another side despises him for being the man under whom the decline of Muslim rule in India started.

#48 by masanamuthu

Do you think Muslims despise Aurangazeb?.. I think that he is appreciated by Sunni Muslims. He is the one who stemmed the rot creeping into Islam in the form of culture et..al..

One side of Muslims admires him for being a pious Muslim who never missed a single prayer and bringing in Sharia-type rule to India. Another side despises him for being the man under whom the decline of Muslim rule in India started.

Re: # 34
Vengat...
was an uprising that was similar to Subash Chandra Bose's violence.
Ans: Vengat, equitaing a Haji (completed course in barbarism/terrorism) to Subhas Bose is something of very poor taste. Subhas Bose was President of Congress with left leaning. He had never harmed any civilian, even the British people living in India. He was mayor of Calcutta and knew the pros and cons of democratic movement and military activity. You are equating these barbaric jihadis with INA!!!! Very sad.....

Muthu bhai,

Welcome back, missed u a lot.

VRV,

(He prapared the solid base for India's development. )

The result is there for all to see. How does one justify the crippling of India's private enterprise or the complete neglect of basic education and healthcare?

(He made some mistakes like believing China blindly but made amends soon after that.)

Yes, that he did. China licked India in Oct 1962 and he popped off in May 1964!!! Good amends.

(Do u think u are perfect.)

NO!!!

(that many here celabrate Godse but cant say it openly.)

OK let me say it openly. Godse was an a***hole who killed MKG and allowed him to be apotheosised (sorry for the spelling) as a five star saint. Both of them deserve to rot in hell.

Regards

Re: # 37
Vengat...

Cholas, Cheras and Pandias butchered Vaishnavites and Buddhists in the south. Do you know the temples in Sabarimalai and Tirupati were Buddhist monasteries once?

Ans: The vaisnav movement was offsoot of Budhism/Jainism. So, it should not be surprising that Budhdhists/Jains become vaisnavs and performed puja of local avatar of vishnu...
Indian are God loving/fearing. Budhist/Jain philosophy is OK; but without the presence of God, it was not supposed to survive...
I am not aware of any violence by Cholas against civilians...

52, Majumdar,

"The result is there for all to see. How does one justify the crippling of India's private enterprise or the complete neglect of basic education and healthcare?"

Now u are a bit clear. Thanks.

Can u tell me how Nehru crippled private enterprise? Tatas, Birlas grew inspite of the bureacracy inherited from the British Indian govt. Nehru never crippled them. If the existing laws were cumbuersome, he didnt bother since propping-up business class was not his first priority. I think his economic policies were piloted by Mahalanobis.

Increasing arable land was his first pririty but he bothered to take care of higher education and made statutory
provisions for an enlightend India (not Gandhian India). His conributions to Indian Constitution (at least facilitation), Knowledge-base, Industrial sector are unquestionable.

Abt basic education and healthcare, u knw that these are the state subjects. How can the PM of India is blamed form PHCs and schools in villages.

Thanx u clarified on Godse but retracted by heaping abuse on Gandhi.

Re: # 47
Nehru had no magic wand to remove poverty. India was bled white by British for 2-3 centuries. Nehru also inherited the hate and social dissonance son ater 1947. He cant speak Jinnah's language nor he's saintly.

Ans: Yes man. But China was in worse situation than India. British had created basic infrastructure in almost all the fields. We needed to scale up. Nothing more was required. What had he done?
Kicked all the British owned companies (construction companies), which used to provide technological backbone. Today you are seeing L & T etc...Calcutta/Howrah was host of such companies, which was number one in Asia ( Burns Standards etc...). What was the need for Nehru to do that?
Nehru was not the only power centre in Congress. Couple of other leaders contributed. The IIT, constitution etc...was brainchild of Bengal Congress leaders (Dr. B C Roy); which people give credit to Nehru...
Regarding Nathuram Godse...Gandhi was supposed to be killed. So much bloodshed, and he will evade it!!!! But this poor chap made it very early. Gandhi was supposed to see his unpopularity and then die...Poor chap had not allowed that...

nkg,


gtg. I'd reply to this tinite.

Gandhism can be followed only in India OR only in the rest of the world.

When India followed Gandhism, the rest of the world despised it. I still remember the sense of horror I felt in school days reading Gandhi being described as a cowardly Hindu political acrobat in a foreign magazine.

Now that we have no use for the man, the word has gone in a tizzy celebrating him, particularly in our neighborhood.

India is small. The rest of the world is large. I would MUCH rather Gandhism have a larger scope and following than us poor Indians can offer it.

Adieu Gandhi and Gandhism. May you prosper in the rest of the world. We will miss you but like any good parent, India must part with your for your own good.

Re: # 51

nkg,

Moplahs fought their opressors. Subash did the same, he fought the opressors.

Civilian/Non-Civilian ideas were bored into our craniums by the whites. It helped them to decide where, when, how and whom to fight. So they kept the rest of the population anticipating. Now they are getting their taste of their own medicine.

Masanamuthu,

Long time no see :(...

Re: # 58
Vengat...
Civilian/Non-Civilian ideas were bored into our craniums by the whites.
Ans: Not at all....
It was purely Indian concept right from Ramayana era... later UN adopted it...

Re: # 54
VRV...
Tatas, Birlas grew inspite of the bureacracy inherited from the British Indian govt. Nehru never crippled them. If
Ans: Those business family, who were close to Congress got favourable treatment and enjoyed the monopoly. Gandhi was a baniya and was close to both Bajaj and Birlas. They have done nothing towards Industrial development in India...
Toyota and Hindustan Motors started production in the same year. Now Toyota is No. 1 Automaker of the world and Hindustan Motors stooped producing it's own model and assembler of Mitsubishi cars...

vengat bhai, at some time we must discuss this fighting the oppressors business and how or whether it is not related to religion, or whether Subhash Bose was the same as Osama bin Laden. :)

My uncle( maternal) was working for GOI, ministry of Supply. This Dept. used to supply equipment and materials for Govt. Projects. The noticable change he observed was the creeping in corruption in the Govt. mechinery. People used to get scared of Brit officers. They used to think twice before committing any crime. As soon as they have left, entire Indian administration started becoming corrupt and, when Indira Gandhi become prime minister, it had become part and parcel of our life. All this happened as the leaders were corrupt (Congress), including Nehru...
Coming back to Nirmala Deshpande,what legacy is she leaving for Indians? We are not sure about it.
The Gandhian myth is creation of Congress and media. Our value system developed over thousands of years. Making Gandhi father of nation is too much....For us ( Bengalis), his contribution is almost 0. He is seen as the main reason of uncontrolled immigration problem, Bengal is currently facing. Furthermore, his dirty politics with Subhash Bose makes him villain than hero...

majumdar, venkat,

I've been reading the interacts (esp. arjun and hamid's for a few laughs), but work was keeping me busy.

I think people have to open up and at least read / listen to what the other side is saying. My principle has been to read all the viewpoints, and see what makes sense for me. Ofcourse, anyone reading the same stuff can reach a different conclusion.

I am borrowing Orwell's words.

http://www.readprint.com/work-1260/George-Orwell

One may feel, as I do, a sort of aesthetic distaste for Gandhi, one may reject the claims of sainthood made on his behalf (he never made any such claim himself, by the way), one may also reject sainthood as an ideal and therefore feel that Gandhi's basic aims were anti-human and reactionary: but regarded simply as a politician, and compared with the other leading political figures of our time, how clean a smell he has managed to leave behind!