I Spy Hindutva

Re: # 72; vengat

for the record, that isn't true. She seems to be the only person around today!!

what the heck is going on?

Re: # 69

nb,

akcheema is stalking you. I have been observing him on UP too...Tell him it looks obvious :)...

Re: # 70

and who is this person you are talking about?

Re: # 69; nb

do you mean to say a CRETIN??

Vengataraman, Vaibhav, neither of you has any idea what you're dealing with. He was born hypothyroid and never treated.

Re: # 64

Salim Bhai,

"A lot of people see success in today's India - I see nothing short of an oligarchy deliberately manufactured for the self-interests of a few high-caste hedonists at the top. This unfair monstrosity will definitely come tumbling down in good time - hopefully with as little violence as possible."

Don't tell me you hate India...You have so much love for this country...

@ Salim_Chauhan ji Re: # 64

I can't take credit for that. All I did was translate Arun Kumar Tripathi's work.

Thanks for the supportive note at the end.

Hate stems from fear.
Both Shakespeare{"In time we hate that which we often fear"} and his biggest critic GB Shaw {"Hatred is the coward's revenge for being intimidated"} concurred on this one.

The day calls for all of us to come together and realize that there is neither any real need to fear anything and the friction that exists is simply in our minds.

Chowk does a great deal in initiating this.

#65

Many things can be said about change
1}rolling stone gathers no moss

2]A change is as good as fiesta

Even often misunderstood by hindus Allama Iqbal warned


3)

Na sambhlo ge aiye hindustan wallon
Tumhare dastan tak na hogi dastanon maine

Somthing like my country men ( at that time undivided India)if you dont correct yourself

You will perish so completely that no signof you will remain even stories

It is important to note that ijtihad is an accepted concept in Islam( Not static ,dynamic ,changing like in adaptation.) No one, not even most orthodox 'alim, can deny its legitimacy.

This tradition clearly brings out the significance of ijtihad in Islam. It must be borne in mind that Islam itself came into existence in a Meccan society which was undergoing basic socio-economic 'changes'. The pre-Islamic or jahiliyah laws not only were becoming obsolete but downright obstacles for further moral, spiritual and material growth of society.Islam needs some serious IJTEHAD

Islam and its laws thus were not the product of a stagnant society but a society which felt a need for transcendence. Islam catered to the spiritual, moral and material needs of this newly emerging society. It gave new principles and laws acutely needed by the people. The Islamic response to the changing needs of the Meccan society was not only material but also moral and spiritual. Since Islam came into existence in a changing society it emphasised the need for dynamism and the principle of ijtihad embodied its spirit of dynamism.

It was the later generation of 'Ulama who while accepting the principle of ijtihad in theory de-emphasised it in practice. They evolved the concept of taqlid (unthinking imitation) in its place though they cannot quote any hadith from the Prophet in its favour. Taqlid, in a stagnant Islamic societies, thus became a widely accepted principle, as pointed out above. However, today all Islamic societies are experiencing fundamental social changes and rethinking on many issues has become very vital

vaibhav, gratifying to find you discussing issues and ideas without resorting to cheapening tactics or abuse. This requires both conviction and courage. Please excuse my frosty welcome in #10.

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I am among those small voices advocating a partial re-orientation of the Indian mind. Throughout our existence, we have made these critical shifts - be they under the great leadership of Adi Shankara, the Buddha, Lord Mahavira, or Guru Nanak.

These great souls changed the Indian mind without ever hurting it, let alone killing it. So change should not be equated to death (especially in our change-oriented framework wherein change EQUALS life).

As before, the trick may be to position ourselves somewhere between the two extremes and twin dogmas (from our pov) of "no change" and "death."

{"Hindutva seeks to assert its victory2 in every feasible way. From all possible sources, it seeks to produce and display its success. In doing so, when Hindutva faces the ire of traditions, it turns to modernity. When rebuked by modernity, it sings the praises of traditions. When it fails to adopt the principles of communalism, it treads the path of secularity and on facing a dead end it retreats to seek solace with communalism again. It has abhorred both Gandhi and socialism, yet accepts them together whenever it feels the need ."}

Vaibhav,
Beautifully written and in the above quote you have summarized the essential spirit of "India Shining." It is this self-righteous, "our shit doesn't stink" jingoism of right-wing BJP/RSS/VHP/BD/SP/SS/JS/MNS hate-mongrels that drives people like me away from any sympathy or positive feeling for "modern" India. A lot of people see success in today's India - I see nothing short of an oligarchy deliberately manufactured for the self-interests of a few high-caste hedonists at the top. This unfair monstrosity will definitely come tumbling down in good time - hopefully with as little violence as possible. Good article, please keep writing.

@ tahir Re: # 62

I've become averse to Indian film music since Reshammiya.
I guess it's not a fair equation.

Re: # 41
Have you ever stood up for anything or anybody? What faith do you belong to BJ?

If you stop abusing Islam, we may discuss something as pleasant as Indian film music one day!

Your choice.

yar laddu/sha, the most "interesting" acthitecture in rajastan in in jain tamples...neigther "hindu" not mussalmani. go check out the temples in delwara, jaisselmer fort, or better, ranakpore..man the shilpis play some serious tricks on you. besides magnificent domes, and pillar etc..you pay good attention to detail..and you will find out the the repeated patterns of apsaras etc are actually not repeated and there is always the mischivious touch of the shilpi (mason)...mostly porn offcourse,

#59 the last sentence may be a bit too pessimistic - the rogue general has already lost the absolute power, or even any significant power. And that is good.

But still - the potential for mischief remains unless the rule of law is restored. And ppp's disgraceful stand on this issue of the restoration of the chief justice thus keeps the possibility open of future ambitious generals seeking to become ataturks of Pakistan.

Safe1 #51 Agreed with most of your post.

wrt "Just as I realize that the only true danger to our beautiful Pakistan comes from Islamo-fascists. ", they are certainly the "worst case scenario" which in a sense is already upon us - yesterday, these animals blew up a degree college in Swat. last week they burnt a girls school. To associate the name "Islam" to these animals is to disgrace the name of Islam.

I would therefore suggest taking back not just Pakistan, but also our religion, from these animals.

But these animals are small fry, and can attack only those who are weak or have the misfortune of falling into their control. The root problem these small fry are a problem is the rogue general and his kind who have abused their military power to give rise to the taliban and for whom the voice of the Pakistani people is totally unimportant.

Until and unless the rule of law is restored in Pakistan, these problems will fester. The PML may seem to stand alone today in upholding the rule of law against the corrupt politicians of ppp and pmlq, but in fact there is vast public opinion in support of the rule of law. The next few months will be critical to determining the future course of Pakistan - whether it is towards civilization or towards the rule of the animals.

Re: # 56

You mean Hindu architecture never knew in lay work before mohamud ghori started to kill us?

I did not say (or believe that)t Indian tourism map site

http://india.mapsofindia.com/culture/monuments/hawa-mahal.html

Its common sensense not to think that Moghul / muslim brought EVERYTHING or India was not great prior to that.Let us celebrate now after independence EVERYTHING within the LAND of hindusthan .England Muslim , Ancient Indus valley civilisation The greek ,China ,India, Arabs when europe was in dark ages.