The Raj Lives: India In Nepal

Re: # 5
Unlike their Nepali counterparts,Indian Naxalites are not ready to join the political mainstream via the electoral route.

Re: # 5
Unlike their Nepali counterparts,Indian Naxalites are not ready to join the political mainstream via the electoral route.

Ref nasah #13

[Mujamdar and Kamath sahiban -- in India there are plenty of checks and balances except perhaps for the Modis of Gujrats.]

That is because Modi is the ckeck for Islamist thugs. Just remember, there has been NO communal riots in Gujarat for the last 5+ years.

Even Muslims can learn a lesson if it is taught appropriately!

Ref nasah #5

[UPA can live with Kargill Musharraf -- it can live with the Burma tin soldiers -- it was ready to sell the arms to the Nepali King of Spade -- it can massage the feet of Uncle Sam for some nuclear hand-out -- but it can't live with its own nincompoop Naxalites?]

The Naxalites aren't the nincompoops; the UPA is.

Remember the Naxalits shot up a police station and killed about 250 persons in Jharkhand or Bihar? The great Indian nation is still inspecting its pubic hair for lice instead of trying to track the murderers down and hanging them.

The British could very well have taken over Nepal in the 1800s. If they had done that, there would be no separate country called Nepal today. It would be part of Uttar Prdesh and Bihar. In fact, the British did take away most of the border areas from the kingdom of Nepal.

It takes the idiots who run India to fcuk up even those things that should be an easy steal. The only reason for Nepal to exist is to provide a vote for India in the UN when the crunch comes: for instance, in 1971 during the Indo-Pakistan war over Bangladesh. Other than that, Nepal isn't worth a pitcher of warm spit.

But, the mufukka Socialists of India under Jwahirullah Nehru had to educate that Maoist thug Prachanda at the JNU. The first thing that guy does is to call for re-negotiation of the Indo-Nepalese Treaty. I think India should actually re-negotiate the treaty; we should go into Katmandu, arrest that mufukka, try him for murder, drag him up to the gallows and tell him that that is part of the re-negotiations before we hang the bastard.

The US is right in refusing to lift the designation of Nepalese Maoists as terrorists.

Of course, the fcukers at JNU who don't miss any opportunity to shoot themselves in the b@lls want India to deal with Prachanda and the Govt of India sends that Commie Sitaram Yechury to talk with the Nepalese political parties on the formation of the new government.

Right time for a civic-minded Indian to shoot both Yechury and Prachanda while the opportunity presents itself.

nasah#19:

I both agree and disagree with you. All madrassas cannot be painted in the same colour. The Bihar Madrassa Board has one of the best performances of any school boards affliated with CBSE in India and there are Madrassas in Pune and other places which consistently produce excellent results; the problem is with those "uloom" which emphasise religious education at the cost of academic training. [didn't Raja Ram Mohan Roy study at a Madrassa?]. Unfortunately, more Muslim elite are willing to defend Islamic fundamentalism today than when I was a young adult in India.

On the caste, despite the current opression of dalits, I give more credit to the Hindu society than some others; the dent that the caste hierarchy has suffered in the last sixty years is more than the fossilised structure in the previous several millenia; what I find heartening is that the hindu elite is no longer willing to defend casteism (even though very few will be willing to marry their daughter/sister to a dalit boy (unless he reaches the super-brahmin caste of the IAS cadre).

"it cannot be understood without taking into account the huge migration of Nepalese into India (also the migration of Indian traders to Nepal)""

This is crucial as the two distinct types of migrations have essentially built public perceptions of the other country. As a management trainee at the Yak and Yeti in Kathmandu, I saw Indian guests behave in a manner blatantly rude when it came to the Nepali staff. OTOH, occasional rudeness by an Indian would spread like wildfire amongts Nepali staff and would achieve almost mythical status.

Also, the Marwaris have penetrated the upper echelons of Nepal's private sector leading to a perception of "Indian involvement" even when the motivation is mercantile.

"Upadhya asserts that Lainchaur Darbar – which refers to the neighborhood the Indian Embassy is located in the heart of Kathmandu – has become an important player in the domestic politics of Nepal. "

Interesting. The Indian Embassy is actually in Lazimpet, if I recall correctly. I used to live in Lainchaur, which is right next door. I do have to mention that the "Nepali population" referred to here is a misnomer. It is essentially the Newaris who are native to Kathmandu and the Rana elite who are Anti-India. Nepal's own record vis a vis the plains people (Madhesis) is not spotless either.

Re: # 21

That should have this link

http://newsblaze.com/story/20060606064241nnnn.nb/topstory.html

Re: # 20

Some people would beg to differ on GP Koirala and his actions

GT -- if the GP Koirala can meet the Maoist demands with such positive results why can't the UPA coalition with brotherly communists discuss the Naxalite demands?

DM --if the Muslims undoing is the retrograde fundamentalist madrassa Islam -- for the Hindus it is the cancer of casteism -- especially in the Ramayan belt of the Indo-Gangetic plains.The surprise is that in spite of the power shift in favor of the Dalits in Bihar and UP nothing has changed much.

nasah:

Looks like you and GT know a lot more about the caste power structure in Bihar (and Orissa, Andhra, MP?) than I do. So, I should withdraw from this debate.

Re: # 16

Wasn't he called Ashoka the cruel??

Yes if time permits, I bought a new wok by the way. I'm learning to stir fry.

#15 Posted by swarrier:

According to me none .... but I am sure chowkies will come up with examples like Ashoka's society, the Moghul society, the present Pakistani/Indian society etc.

By the way, shall we be seeing you around?

Re: # 13 Posted by Nasah

Nasah sahib
There are no checks and balances for anybody who can whip up communal or economic passions. Most of the checks and balances are usually a tad too late for the victims.

GT, which civilised or uncivlised society has respected the request of the marginalised unless they saw profit in it....??

#12 Posted by nasah:

"...it is time to sit down with Naxalites and talk and ask them what the Indian mainstream can do for them to lay down their stupid arms?...."

What the Naxalites want is quite well known:

1. Implementation of land reform.
2. Transparency of the process whereby forests, meadows, parts of rivers etc. are contracted out by the govt.
3. More rights for low castes.

Now tell me hasan, will the govt. "give" in to these demands? Or do you think that the Naxals have to snatch these rights for themselves?

Re: # 9 10

Mujamdar and Kamath sahiban -- in India there are plenty of checks and balances except perhaps for the Modis of Gujrats.

Re: # 11

mayray bhai dost mitter sahib -- it is time to sit down with Naxalites and talk and ask them what the Indian mainstream can do for them to lay down their stupid arms?

Of course casteism is the bane of the backward Biharis -- Bihar was no better under the Brahmins, Rajputs and the Kayesthas coalition -- it is no better under the Yadavs or the current Kurmis -- may be it is time for the Naxalites to rule Bihar.

Nasah#5:

I must be missing something. Who is preventing the Naxalites to take part in the elections and become mainstream? It is they who believe that mainstream communists have sold out to the bourgeois democracy and revolution is the only way to change the power structure. Incidentally, much of the Naxalite activity seems to be directed against caste opression in the most socially backward part of the country.

Re: #8 Ms. Nasah:
"...What happened in Nepal is a triumph of open clean honest democratic elections...... very True. This how exactly fascists and Nazis came to power. You and I may not be living long enough to see that they would go out in a clean elections too. It never happened elsewhere unless they become a significant minority in a wider sense. There are always means to keep oneself in power. That is the nature of Communism.

kamath

Nasah sahib,

The problem with Commies is that left unchecked it becomes a case of one man, one vote, one time. The test of the pudding will be (if and) when the next elections take place in Nepal.

Regards

What happened in Nepal is a triumph of open clean honest democratic elections taming and civilizing the untamed killers with a chip of public's grievance on their shoulders.

The answer to world wide insurgency is not government operated terrorism -- but inclusive democracy and honest elections.

A hard core murderous communist Parachanda -- now for multiparty competition in governance and foreign investments! Bravo! -- Marxism has shed one-party rule! -- thanks to the 'democratic communism' of Indian variety.

3 cheers for democracy and its internationally supervised elections!!

The Chines revisionist Maoistas should learn from Nepali Maoists -- get rid of their repressive one-party system -- give Tibet a democratic autonomy within China -- and end their naked occupation of Tibet -- and build a "Dhraamshala" for Dalai Lama in Beijing.

And for the 'Itali' Congress and its communist cohorts -- like the Nepali Congress and its communist coalition -- it is time to bring the Naxalites into the mainstream -- whatever it takes.

It is difficult to agree with Ashok Mitra that the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist)’s victory in the neighbouring country is cause for celebration for communists in India too The Communist Party of India (Marxist) has always maintained contact with the Maoists and lent support to their democratic movement against the Nepalese monarchy. The politburo of the CPI(M) had openly welcomed the results of the election to the constituent assembly in Nepal and the country’s transition to becoming a democratic republic. But manners of celebration have changed. It must be kept in mind that the Maoists and their underground struggle in Nepal as well as in parts of India, such as West Bengal, Jharkhand, Orissa, Madhya Pradesh or Chhattisgarh have 'never been' encouraged by intellectuals like Mitra. A celebration of the Maoist win in Nepal might be construed as tacit support to Maoists in India who have mostly been violent and killed civilians

It is difficult to agree with Ashok Mitra that the Communist Party of Nepal (Maoist)’s victory in the neighbouring country is cause for celebration for communists in India too (“History with grandeur”, April 25). The Communist Party of India (Marxist) has always maintained contact with the Maoists and lent support to their democratic movement against the Nepalese monarchy. The politburo of the CPI(M) had openly welcomed the results of the election to the constituent assembly in Nepal and the country’s transition to becoming a democratic republic. But manners of celebration have changed. It must be kept in mind that the Maoists and their underground struggle in Nepal as well as in parts of India, such as West Bengal, Jharkhand, Orissa, Madhya Pradesh or Chhattisgarh have never been encouraged by intellectuals like Mitra. A celebration of the Maoist win in Nepal might be construed as tacit support to Maoists in India who have mostly been violent and killed civilians

If India advised the Democratic coalition of Nepal to include the Maoists in the coalition -- how come the UPA does not welcome the Maxalites into the UPA mainstream? What is good for the Nepali Congress is not good for the Itali Congress?

UPA can live with Kargill Musharraf -- it can live with the Burma tin soldiers -- it was ready to sell the arms to the Nepali King of Spade -- it can massage the feet of Uncle Sam for some nuclear hand-out -- but it can't live with its own nincompoop Naxalites?

Is it so hard to tame the Bihari Buggers?

"it cannot be understood without taking into account the huge migration of Nepalese into India (also the migration of Indian traders to Nepal)"

Agreed.

#1 Posted by vivek:

"So for all their Communist manifesto, they are likely to be closer to India than China."

Unfortunately, Indian Foreign policy is ruled by naive (tribalistic) expectations as the one stated above. The Nepalese commies will be closer to whoever benifits them more, as it should be. The past is past and is sunk cost in politics.

(To the author). As far as India "helping" them is concerned ... it is total non-sense. Yes Indian Naxalites (in Bihar etc.) have helped the Nepalese Marxists, .... but there is a big difference between the Indian state and Indian naxalites.

As far as India/Nepal relationship is concerned .... it cannot be understood without taking into account the huge migration of Nepalese into India (also the migration of Indian traders to Nepal). Leave it out and you have Ba Ba Black sheep foreign policy (relationship).

I suppose now that the Red Party has assumed captaintncy for thr country, all should sail well.

kamath

Just a sidenote:
The Nepali Communists would not have been able to participate in the parliamentary elections, had it not been for the GOI's pressure on the Nepalese govt. to allow them to do so. So for all their Communist manifesto, they are likely to be closer to India than China.