Can the Judiciary Save the Coalition?

""chor uchakka chowdry tay lundee runn pardhaan"." DM please translate -- sounds spicy.

nasah#64:

I was a fan of Mushy, the dictator, but not of Mushy, the dirty politician.

And I am no fan of the lawless Indian democracy which allows the likes of Delhi massacres of 1984 and Gujarat massacres of 2002. In Punjabi, we call such govt as "chor uchakka chowdry tay lundee runn pardhaan".

later........

My March 8 ilog, written actually a day after the election results came in, originally submitted as an article but was censored by chowk editors. Tahmed praised it by saying every rickshaw driver knew about the ideas therein- which told me that it spoke the voice of the people:

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Legitimizing a Farce: The 2008 Pakistan Election and the Pakistan ArmyPosted: Mar 8, 2008 Sat 09:59 pm Views: 118 Interacts: 3 CHOWK STAFF CENSORED THIS ARTICLE.


Legitimizing a Farce: The 2008 Pakistan Election and the Pakistan Army

M. Asadi

For people who are saying that these elections are a “landmark in Pakistan’s history”, let me remind them that they are repeating in different words what Musharraf had been saying all along in his "dictatorship as the best defense of democracy" rhetoric, that followed last year’s declaration of emergency. In other words, those who are celebrating these elections and their results are trying to justify all the undemocratic maneuvering by the military and its dictator (Musharraf) that described the immediate context of these elections (part of which was the assassination of Benazir Bhutto) and thereby absolving the dictator of all wrong doing by saying it was “worth it” for democracy. Both these "winners", the PML-N and the PPP will fit into the ‘hierarchy of power’ prescribed for politicians by their superiors (the commanders of the Pakistan Army in our case), and if they try moving out of line they will be brought straight back in or sent home packing. Was it not the same "democratic-alliance" before the elections that vowed to boycott these elections, given their dictatorial context and then did a total turnaround to get power, rushing to outdo each other in legitimizing the same structure that is anti-democracy to the core?

To take part in the elections was to legitimize what led up to the elections and that was maneuvering by the military in order to salvage itself and its reputation from a total rebellion by the people to oust the occupiers. To take part in them was to legitimize Musharraf‘s rhetoric about his three stages of getting to “democracy through dictatorial control” where the Army remains firmly in charge. Elections have not brought democracy to this country and will not unless a charismatic leader of the caliber of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto, people who in the absence of viable institutions are institutions by themselves, emerges who can move the masses against military domination in political affairs. The Pakistan Army has certainly not disappeared from the power equation, it is still in command, and total command, and will be regardless of the elections, which are merely a way to mask their rule. Such “masking” occurs ever so often when America wants to cut off Pakistan, needs it for some ulterior motive and wants to rescue those (the Pakistan Army) that have been serving it from being rejected violently by the local population through a revolutionary war. No issue facing Pakistan is greater in urgency than the domination of its dominant institution, the Pakistan Army by the American elite and the resulting forced atrophy of the rest of its social institutions including the political and the economic.

By punishing civilian “democratic” governments, the US elite achieve a two prong objective:

i) Discredit civilians and democracy in the eyes of the Pakistani public
ii) Prevent the alienation of the Pakistan Army from America, making it go against the civilian government and then supporting such dictatorship wholeheartedly by economic injections for short term relief- the famously and often tried "stop gap" formula, with its reputation with the people enhanced due to such manipulation of constructed failure of the civilian governments.

The final results of the current elections in Pakistan reveals Army over lordship (checks and balances according to US defined parameters) presiding over a victory to the opposition, when the Army rule legitimacy is at the lowest level that it can possibly get before a civil war breaks out. How do you manipulate this situation to turn it into a win-win for the Pakistan Army: We don't have to go too far back in history to see how it occurs. Every so many years when the Americans want to salvage the Army (for their own purpose) and cut off Pakistan (for their own purpose) they encourage a so-called circumscribed "democracy". Now when the opposition forms a government, the belt will be tightened around Pakistan's neck by the Americans, the situation will get worse, setting the scenario for another military takeover where the previously (hated by people) military now appears all the more attractive. The Army will be salvaged for another almost a decade before this mantra is tried again.

However it is getting more and more tenuous for the Americans to try this formula in Pakistan with every successive Martial Law as they have done in the past because:

i) Every martial law produced unintended consequences, this run produced the lawyer's movement, which has become a thorn in the side of the establishment (military/feudal/political nexus)

ii) The subordinates of the Western elite at the top of the Pakistan Army, due to the geographic distance from their real command (in Washington) feel after a while that they preside over the nation quite independently and develops false notions of “sovereignty”.

For these reasons, the Americans might soon break from the past and try their hand at breaking Pakistan with actual occupation of certain parts because dealing with their proxy occupation force (the Pakistan Army) gets tenuous with every Martial Law. In the meantime let the fools celebrate their victory even as General Kiyani looks towards the near future with hopes of salvaging through such celebration what would have turned out eventually, were the people’s sentiments not manipulated through the political establishment, to be the end of Pakistan's occupation by the Pakistan Army (by a seemingly civil war). Finally, this vote was not so much an endorsement of the PPP or the PML-N as it was a rejection of military rule.

Let the protests continue for therein lies our salvation as a nation.


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Re: # 66 HP

What do I think?

I basically agree with you on all three - zardari, ns, and amreeka. The way they are trying to micromanage this issue is quite revealing that how desperate amkika and its local chmachas have become. THe cj issue will flush the political future of all three of them down the toilet.

#61 Posted by Urstruly
Re: # 58 HP
"You missed the correct answer."

No, urstruly. I never miss these things. Even before Bouchar hit the news, I knew at least Zaradri was in constant touch with either the US ambassador or some other CIA operative in the embassy. I am sure Nawaz must be updating some one.
You missed this in my post.

"There are many parties in these dialogs and communications from Pakistan to the outside world are not secured."

The US is micromanaging the talks.
Here is my proposal to break the deadlock and resolve everything...:)

Only the US can do it... it would be minus one, minus one on both sides. The US should give up Musharaf and Nawaz should give up the CJ. It is a win-win situation. Nawaz wants the CJ to deliver Mushy's head to him and if the US delivers Mushy to him, he does not need the CJ.US does not want the CJ to sit in the SC and look for the missing persons.So they both give up one each and after that Nawaz would be a bigger US chamcha, even bigger than Zardari.

what do you think?

The funniest part of the whole thing is there is no war of terror going on anywhere because Pakistanis are busy in the CJ affair. That tells you how hollow the whole thing is.

Dear all loosers,

Question: Can the Judiciary Save the Coalition?

Answer: NO

Now can we move on?

Regards

The US Elite

DM sahib -- despite the fact that "lay gaya jalim chora kar sonay kee janjeer bhee" you do love Musharraf don't you...:)

Re: # 56

"Hamidm sahib:

"president ... zindabad!
"sheikh ... zindabad!

Don't you think you devalued your "Zindabad" to shouts of "unwashed masses"?"

Anil sahib -- you are taking Hamidm's satire a little too seriously -- in reality Hamidm sahib is a satirical anarchist.

Re: # 60 DM

I may be the skeptical one but it is quite obvious that we cannot get out of the hole we are in today, with climbing a ladder of democracy. The corrupt ruling elite, the pirs, the fouji harami, the feudal lords, the drug dealers, and other assorted m/fs are deeply entrenched to keep the status quo alive and well. This system of corruption, inefficiency, and lawlessness has benefitted them immensely. Some of these assholes are probably the richest people in asia today, because of this system. I do not think that anything less than guillotines, firing squads, and lynching can solve our problems. THese assholes have just lost their last chance as well.

Re: # 58 HP

You missed the correct answer. The correct answer is that both of these mutts have gone abroad to take orders from their foreign masters. In case you haven't heard; Richard Boucher is arriving in London today to meet these two assholes and tell them how to get out of this mess, which they created to give this ruling elite a modicum of credibility.

Urstruly:

I was reacting to the post which suggested that the military rule was better than the spectacle of fighting politicians now.

I think that you also missed "what some call democracy" in my post. Even in the US and Canada, the percentage of people voting is not very high. And while elections in India are more or less clean, they were not always so, with booth-capturing and what-not; even then the so-called civil society did not question the system itself. Even in the US, many people think that Al Gore was cheated out of a victory by false counting. That's the western system of democracy for you and it ain't perfect and may not even be suited to the genius of all peoples.

Re: # 55 DM

I think people get pissed at you not because you interfere in their affairs but because of your innanities. You take them some kind of stupid? There is a military dictatoir sitting on top of this banana republic who throws bones to the so called elected ones and make them wag their tails like the mutts they are and you call this a democracy? Less than 10% voting population casts its votes in a scitifically rigged election and this is democracy for you? People are not averse to the unintended consequences of democracy; they just hate it being taken for a ride all the time by these arrogant piece of shit, pro-western ruling elite.

#53 Posted by hamidm2
"can anyone answer a simple question : why are these clowns meeting in london instead of islamabad ?????"

Are you sure you're from pindi cantt? Every paindo on murree road knows the answer(some from the outside know that too). The short answer is they have run out of the safe houses in Islamabad.
The long answer: there are many parties in these dialogs and communications from Pakistan to the outside world are not secured. Mostly agencies listen to politicians conversations.
I am sure Zardari house in Isloo is bugged. Read abt the secured phone and eavesdropping in Bhutto's book from his death cell, if I am hanged. Also Benazir and Nawaz both knew and made sure they never talked abt something important on the govt property. Farooq Laugari when he was President, used to look for rooms in the President house that he thought were not bugged.usually found them on the tenth floor. Even the bedrooms in the PM and the president house are bugged. Now you now why Mushy is still in the army house...

The army and its agencies in Pakistan have loooong reach!

Enough secret information on a nonsecured site...

Re: # 53 pLEASE READ FOLLOWING.
nOW ALL THIS IS DONE SHOW THE CONTEMPT FOR HAMID'S UNWASHED PEOPLE. PEOPLE DO NOT PAY RESPECTS TILL YOU SHOW THEM THEIR PLACE.THIS IS MEETING LIKE BIG COMPANY EXECUTIVE AND ADDS GLAMOR OF DUBAI AND LONDON. MAY BE INDIANS SHOULD START DOING IT, GOING TO LONDON. ALL BADMASH

#25 Posted by ahmedmadani on May 9, 2008 9:14:03 pm
Mr. Masadi, HP , Mujumdar and all...... You all been right in many ways.
CJ stuff helped to damage general and withstanding that same CJ person has accepted and sanctified general. I feel it is sad the poitical parties can distract mainattention from real country facing more not so moral but mortal problems of inflation of essentrial basic like wheat, atta,fuel and general down grading of law and order. Real inflation is definitely raging like wild fire and I can note in the amount spent by my wife and how much reduced things she buys just a year back. It is classical case of elites over concerned about CJ and Z and NS personal politics , like when rome was buring the roman emperor was busy with trivial thgings.
The way things are going is distressing. Look at in short time mr. Z and NS have gone out of country. Why future of pakistan not be decided in Lahore or karachi. Why need to all these leaders of PP and PML NS have to go to Dubai and then to London , tamasha , why take on world tour. Only excuse that can be accepted is MQM Chief is in London and he is crucial player and PPP chief mr. Bilawal Zardari Bhutto are in london. But there is no news anout meeting of 4 giants in london. Even for show when the discontent is at pick and people are very angry , instead of paying attention to read problems , people should feel the leaders are trying best, it absolutely does not appear. If take back yourself and look at problems they are huge like Me. Churchill faced and he stood eith his people, we have problems of Churchillian magnitude but no churchill in Site.
Every day passing is blowing of targets by BLA and religious warrier have met stalement with army. And NS and Z are worried about CJ. Even if CJ is restored and NRO is intact still there is no hope. It appears in first 40days the performance of govt is very negative and regressive. It appears the so called elected people have not offered any thing not even false hope. Rupee is constantly loosing against weakened dollar. Rupee has reached nadir but it is still going down does not seem to hit the bottom.
If these elected people do not do anything be atleast do not go on foreign trips when country is reaching bottom every way.
The talk of C J is totally discordant note and jarring. Tomorrow if if Zeemax goes with his G machine and cuts necks of all "leaders" nobody will miss them or shed tears but people will say make sure and trow in Arabian see for sharks.

Re: # 45

Hamidm sahib:

"president ... zindabad!
"sheikh ... zindabad!

Don't you think you devalued your "Zindabad" to shouts of "unwashed masses"?

Atleast in India these unwashed naare baaz get paid. Here you paid for it through devaluation.