Can the Judiciary Save the Coalition?

hamidm:

"..... i am ready to call for an annulment of this farcical election and reinstatement of musharraf and sheikh rashid ....."

I try to restrict my comments on Pakistani politics these days, partly because some Pakistanis don't like outsiders commenting on their issues and partly because the life span of any prediction is still too short.

However, since you are very fond of saying "I told you so". let me restate what I said on a board a few weeks ago when everyone was celebrating the victory of democracy. I had said then that the true test would come a year or two later when the politicians have made a mess again and the civil society once again starts clamouring for a military rule. Looks like that such a situation might happen sooner than two years.

See, for good or bad, Pakistani civil society - and the unwashed masses did exactly what the civil society wanted, so don't blame them!- does not have the patience either for corrupt politicians or the khakis. They love democracy as a concept but are not willing to accept its outcome. The Indian civil society, too, is not proud of the outcomes of its democracy which produces corrupt, bickering and uncouth politicians like Lalu, Mulayam, Modi or Maya. But, again, for good or bad, the Indian civil society, while whining against such outcomes, never thinks of changing the process (which some call democracy) that produces such outcomes.

So, the Pakistani civil society has to decide; if it really wants democracy, it has to put up with the unsavoury outcome it produces. If they can't, then the unwashed masses would go for the taliban who do speak the language they understand and the outcome which would be more or less what they promise.

Re: # 53; hamidm sahib
"can anyone answer a simple question"

a simple question that demands very complex answers; maybe someone here is learned enough to rise to the occasion.

where did tahmed go?

can anyone answer a simple question : why are these clowns meeting in london instead of islamabad ????? ...... who is picking up the travel expenses for these jokers and their entourages ? .....

...... i find it intriguing

Yeh Munsif Bhi to Qaidi Hain
Humain insaaf kiya dain gey
Likha hai in key chehron par
Humain jo faisla dain gey
Yeh munsif bhi to Qaidi Hain...

(written by the Late Habib Jalib)

Re: # 48

hp,

"You see on this thread Urstruly sounds like he is abt to commit suicide anytime"

........... every cloud has a silver lining :)

Re: # 48

hp,

.... i will admit that i am particularly upset today because i did not move my rupees into an fe25 account ...... and i blame these two clowns for my considerable losses ........ as far as the unwashed massses are concerned, they could not afford a four rupee roti so it doesn't make any difference if it goes to six or twelve - those poor bas$$&ds are destined to starve in any case ....

..... i am ready to call for an annulment of this farcical election and reinstatement of musharraf and sheikh rashid .....

........bhar mein jaye democracy shamocracy ! ..... i just want the rupee to go back to 60 .......

Illiterate Zardari -- a 'will-work-for-bribe' man of easy virtues -- was a ten ton albatross in Benazir neck -- that always prevented the literate murhooma to achieve her deserving heights in national and internation politics.

Now Zardari is an albatross around Nawaz's neck preventing him to rise for the occasion. Zardari reminds me of the lead 'Kheda Elephant' -- trained by Mahout Musharraf through NRO bribes -- to entice and bring back the wild elephants of Pakistan political jungle -- like Nawaz Sharif for the Musharrf's stables -- from where such useless donkeys like chaudrys are about to be kicked out.

It is timme for Nawaz Sharif to re-evalute his relationship with the monkey on his back -- if the CJ is not reinstated.

Well Hamid,

This is may be true but not because the army would sent them away. Public may just refuse to look at their faces.

I see your disappointment despite your posts to Tahmed.
Like you I think it is bad but the reality is different and we need to be mature enough to deal with it. You see on this thread Urstruly sounds like he is abt to commit suicide anytime.

Re: # 46
Any chance you can give less than 5 years to zardari
it looks like eternity.

hp,

.... in a year or so nawaz sharif will be sitting in dubai and people will be saying, "nawaz sharif? who?" ..... and in another five years zardari will be exile in london and people will be saying "good riddance to bad rubbish" ...

.... it is sad ... really, i mean it

well, well, well !

...... i am glad i did not totally drop my support for musharraf ...... he has these foolish, compromized, corrupt, incompetent and cowardly politicians running from dubai to london and pillar to post while he sits in his camp office and my man sheikh rashid sits across town in lal haveli ........ sheikh sahib, don't worry - just walk down the street and have some piping hot nihari or murgh cholay .... you will be back soon ........ and shame on the people of pindi for deserting a man who has always stood by them ........ lanat on these rajas and their khotis !

president musharraf zindabad!
sheikh rashid zindabad!

#40 Posted by masadi
"but I fail to see any alternative whatsoever..."

Well we will see. I think you will figure out the realities of the Pakistani politics. There may not be an alternate but is it doable or even practical to think now considering the political leadership in Pakistan.

before you say it masadi saab, i'll just go and F__myself saab.

but you need to show me how you do it to yourself once again saab

Re: # 41

masadi saab says "later......... "

how much later saab?
may be we are lucky, never? saab
time for medicine saab, easty is bringing it today saab

later.........

Elections carried out after military manipulations and a declaration of emergency, not to mention the butchering of the main political party's leader, and then dictating to that party whose leadership was usurped by a thug who has no political history in that party, who is trying to legitimize the entire thing including the emergency, where reconciliation means getting everyone on board with the military and destroying the legitimacy of any and every civilian alternative to it, by wiping out the major political parties support, can never get anything accomplished for the people period. That is why the stand on the judiciary is issue #1 facing this nation, that first step will go a long way in changing this structure of manipulation, and it will be a major (not a minor) defeat for the military in political affairs. That is why I say, it is priority #1, regardless of the thuggish nature of the CJ. Call it a mental "block", but I fail to see any alternative whatsoever...