When a Knock at the Door is Not Enough

{"I read somewhere that the most scary thing about helping is being involved. I would like to think that I worked against my fear and got involved. The probability that a woman’s life is in danger are very high, and my simple knock on the door is not enough. One needs to break these walls and protect these brave women to be truly empowered by being mobile, and by gaining some mutually assured destruction for peace in the household."}

Aisha,
You have written a wonderfully bold and suspense-filled article about a tired old ridiculous and cowardly act that seems to be a residue of mankind's not so primate past.

I certainly hope that the brutal event did not end with your benign intervention in this man's pursuit of power. I hope you told this man about his diminishing manhood and I hope that you turned him over to the authorities, or at least shamed him in the eyes of all of his neighbors.

Re: # 60

Hurricane sahib,

[Re:Kulharee, pakistan3,
izuber has said nothing offensive. You may think Islam is the root of all troubles, I think otherwise. It is a beautiful religion and I am hapy and proud to be a muslim.]

Hurricane sahib, where did I say anything against Islam? I am a practicing and passionate Muslim and resent being regarded otherwise.

I was talking in the context of some, taking it upon themselves to "evaluate" the Pakistani situation, social or otherwise, and dictate what Pakistan should or shouldn't look like when they chose not to live here themselves. As if we are part of some "experiment" for them.

By the same token, if where they live is SO bad and un Islamic, they are more than welcome to return to their motherland.

We can all share its fortunes and misfortunes, eat "aadhi roti" but with pride and make it work. No one should just assume the right to tel us what we should do when they don't actually live here!

Surely that is not a difficult point to understand?

I have to get going.

Allah nigehbaan

bj people respond to the context they see. Once someone has made it clear to me what they actually believe i believe them. I dont look at their past posts to find evidence of conspiracies or continue in my preconcieved biases.

You should try having an open mind one of these days, i swear it wont kill you. You think lynching someone is more important than having them confess to the truth, thats your outlook not mine. His strong last statement is the one that counts ab us ka peecha chor do.

I am perpectually going to be a criminal in your estimation no matter what i say and for what its worth let me tell you your praise is not what im out to get. Thanks for understanding.

#72 Posted by Urstruly on May 11, 2008 1:50:18 pm

A follow up...If participating in the workforce is such a soul sucking experience, why do muslim women living in the free west have a higher workforce participation number than the women living in the land of the free?

#72 Posted by Urstruly on May 11, 2008 1:50:18 pm


the number of women in higher education is 75% vs. 25% men in Pakistan alone. This bursts your myth right there.


Setting aside the fact that the numbers you quote are straight from the famous paki thinktank PIROMPA - The Pulled It Right Outta My Paki Ass institute - would a comparison of percentages only be valid if the overall number was high enough?




As far as workforce participation is concerned one must ask at what cost. The woman in west has to abandon family, relationships and home to build a career.


yeah..let's not give the bitch a choice to participate in the workforce...she'll just open her mouth and drive everyone nuts anyway...


In America only now a woman is running for presidents' post and her being a woman is number one issue.


I believe the number one issue is the women in question being a female of the canine species with no ethics or morals whatsoever...but then you must be reading some other number...PIROMPA number perhaps?


I do not expect much from you since you are a hindu, who have no moral or societal code


That would be atheist with no moral or societal or ethical code..

look pal...as appealing as the thought of a beltway free of soccer moms sounds, you don't have a leg to stand on...

p.s. do pakis not grasp the concept of the internet and how easily fake numbers can be debunked?

Re: # 84

Khaalajaan, I wonder why your [Thanks for clarifying.] in #84 reminds me of the part [I said, oh, and walked away.] from the piece.

The bottomline is the mullah will do his hee and haw, and his song/dance routine and the women will get beaten up and the rest of the "women" will go along with it as long as they satisfy themselves with the pretense of making a protest and perhaps even thank him while he keeps poisoning the minds of men and women and ...

And nothing will get done.

Nothing EVER gets done!

The "izzatdaar" position of the Islamic women that miaN truly so eloquently describes will stay unchallenged, perhaps forever.

Aisee izzat se to maut bhali!

Like the Big B sang - Arrey lalloo, ye jeena bhi koi jeena hai?!

"Raising hand on women whether wife, or sister, or even of no relation is despicable and beneath the dignity of a man; there is no if, and or but, period"

There is no dirth of propaganda against muslims and islam, loads of people read these posts and will form an opinion of the world based on them.

I think we should not inadvertently give people the wrong impression of what we believe in because that certainly doesnt help our cause.

I am relieved to read your last post and learn what you actually believe. Your earlier posts were not reflective of what you actually think, at least in my opinion. Thanks for clarifying.

Re: # 81

The following "Look at hindus - the femicide is an organized and institutionized practice in every family there; millions of helpless women are thus killed every year in their society and with what face they come here to give us lectures on wife beating."

should be read as "Look at hindus - the femicide is an organized and institutionized practice in every family there; millions of helpless women before even they are born" are thus killed every year in their society and with what face they come here to give us lectures on wife beating.

Re: # 79

Thanks for your prayer. May Allah return you with thosand times more.

Re: # 80

I think my response to hurricane below is quite candid. Raising hand on women whether wife, or sister, or even of no relation is despicable and beneath the dignity of a man; there is no if, and or but, period.

However, we must be careful here. Such incidents happen in every society, every country; but only west rubs it into others face to ride their moral high horses. A country where according to their own statistics of FBI a woman is raped every 20 seconds, I think they should better put their own house in order first than point fingers at others.

Look at hindus - the femicide is an organized and institutionized practice in every family there; millions of helpless women are thus killed every year in their society and with what face they come here to give us lectures on wife beating. Doctors in many European and North American countries refuse hindu women to abort their fetuses as a governmental policy. The Hindu society today is living in in an era of 1500 years ago when men used to burry their infant daughters alive for fear of financial hardship and indignity. Our Holy Prophet (pbuh) came and emancipated those helpless souls from certain death. And these ignoramus langoors would not spare even him from their insults.

so you are saying its not justified but there is no need to condemn it?

badtameezi is ugly and there is no need for you or me to do it, im just asking you questions.

Re: # 77
SubhanAllah, I am impressed to see that some here are as polite as you in your approach.

May Allah SWT bless you with honor.

Under no circumstances one is to beat another soul unless they are in a appropriately incepted Jihad fi sabeel lillah, and even during Jihad one is not intentionally kill the other if there is a slight chance of capturing the enemy.
With regards to woman's status in Islam it is very clear but it is due to the level of illiteracy among Muslims who only know that the man is the head of the household and nothing beyond that so they go to establish their administration in all the wrong ways they are able to.

Re: # 75

Delete "thats justified because" from your first paragraph then answer is yes. And thats the point I have been making all along.

Thanks for speaking to me politely; a badtaneez aurat is the ugliest creature in universe. So is a man, if it makes you happy, therefore, it is said that khush ikhlaqi mard ka zewar hay/

arjun i.e. a train without the engine that is known as brain you are not dignified enough to be commenting on any of these issues you go worship your idols till they speak back to you.
This forum is not meant for your indulgence, so stay within your dhoti till your arse is burned and beaten while being burned by your qualifying sons who will lit the fire to burn you providing you a hell immediately as you cease to exist.

So if a woman has an emotional outburst and her husband beats her vicously in response are you saying thats justified because there is an understandable reason?

and ive been speaking to you politely too, so i dont think you are doing me any favors.

As for choti aqal i think you are pretty much the champion on that but only someone with superior aqal would understand that, so clearly you cant.