When a Knock at the Door is Not Enough

Re: # 57

izuber, I have already said what I had to say here and on the other site with HP.

What a hypocrite you are !!

Allah nigehbaan

Re: # 55
buzz off to your rizk-givers where you have brought up your three generations according to Allah's teachings. If you had such belief, why did you not wait and look for RIZQ here?

This is where your Islam begins or ends?

Wait and look for Rizq? go learn from the teachings of Islam, the Quran the Hadith and then come back to post another time.

Those who keep sitting by the well dont quench their thirst, it takes one to move and make an effort, that people typical to your thinking fail to do, because Allah SWT has said that HE does not help those who do not help themselves.

May Allah SWT bless you & me with wisdom to appropriately understand and place things where they belong and avoid entangling un-necessarily, ameen.

Volume 3, Book 48, Number 847:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "The signs of a hypocrite are three:
(1) whenever he speaks, he tells a lie,
(2) whenever he is entrusted, he proves to be dishonest,
(3) whenever he promises, he breaks his promise.

Urstruly,

Your comment about "women are asking for it cause they are running their tongues" lacks basic humanity.

In relationships both male and female lash out at each other and push each other's buttons. In the indian pakistani culture, the man considers it macho to beat the shit out of somebody. Since he is typically not able to pick fights with men as they may be stronger, and since the woman is typically weaker, that's where the man becomes sher. Really macho. Wow.

In the pakistani culture, there is an added "mullah" dimension that makes it ok to hit women, if they misbehave.

Did the prophet ever hit his wife? Me wonders.

This is not a religious issue. This is a fundamental issue of how we treat each other.

I think if a man does want to thrash his wife etc, it should at least be a level playing field where she can bring a knife or a gun to the fight.

Re: # 53

izuber,

(When you drown and are thrown around by the wrath of Allah SWT you spread your hands more to USA as compared towards the sustainer Allah SWT and yet you have the audacity to speak like this.
You "Pakistan3" remember that beggars cant be choosers and I am saying this because of what you like to hear since this is the type of organisms that help run the electrons towards your brain if there is one.)

How dare you you self riteous prick! Just buzz off!

Who do you think you are? We are not beggars like the white man's slave that you have been all your life and now remembers Islam and Allah's blessings!

We believe in Allah more than you imagine as that is ALL we have here! And you have the audacity to tell us that WE are the beggars!!

Keya baat hai bhai!

buzz off to your rizk-givers where you have brought up your three generations according to Allah's teachings. If you had such belief, why did you not wait and look for RIZQ here?

I have nothing more to say to a hypocrite like you.

Allah nigehbaan

Re: # 49

“You need not be dignified with a response”

Zuber, That’s much appreciated and very welcome from where I stand. The best thing you can do is to keep your mouth shut. It’s characters like you who are keeping women in servitude by flashing your 6th century Arabian garbage that is no longer applicable even in the place it started in. Only an idiot will compare place of women in Islam to that in Christianity and Judaism, why can’t it stand on it’s own merit? You know why? Because it has no legs to stand on. Now go back into the cave.

Pakistan3 you are another emotional character who does not appear to deserve the regarded accorded here in my response.

The Pakistan you appear to be so charmed about has been contributed more than it's worth by only one family of mine, and I will leave it for Allah SWT to judge.

When it comes to Islam it has no geographical boundaries and before you open your mouth to use the "rubbish" word again stretch your brain a little because it is overly rusty and attempts to set a different standard of deen for each geographical boundaries.
What you claim to be your country did not have the money to pay it's govt. employees the first salaries it was contributed to by the compliments of our people, when the State Bank of Pakistan wished to issue currency there was no Gold reserve in your empty tank our compliments you got it.
When you drown and are thrown around by the wrath of Allah SWT you spread your hands more to USA as compared towards the sustainer Allah SWT and yet you have the audacity to speak like this.
You "Pakistan3" remember that beggars cant be choosers and I am saying this because of what you like to hear since this is the type of organisms that help run the electrons towards your brain if there is one.
It is not your country and I can substantiate that very well, you are one of those who would sell whatever to get to the banks of USA and be the first to wrap yourself in the not so green card & the star spangled banner, you are one of those low lifes who live on bad-mouthing & envying others.
I dont need to correct your misunderstanding because you have more than that a disease that cant be cured. Go back to your cage.

I think this is izuber's way of telling urstruly how out of touch his post is with islamic tenants. He is completely right in that approach.

Currently islamic societies like all third world societies have a horrible track record towards women and we should confront that mentality by pointing out the principles of islam like izuber did.

Re: # 48

izuber

How do you correct my "misunderstandin" when you live a life of confort in foreign land and decide to dictate to me what I should or shouldn't do in my homeland.

You left this country of your own volition. Deal with it! Don't bring your self riteousness to teach me or other members of your "ex"-compatriots what they should or shouldn't do. That is for US to decide.

This is OUR country so keep out of it. Your decision, not ours. You can't have the "best of both worlds".

Kindest regards

Re: # 47
Thank you, Pakistan3 for your kind attention however I do not argue for the sake of arguments as to each is their own, inshaAllah Islam shall rise once again depending only on the characters of it's believers.
I wish you all the best.
Thanks & best regards.

Re: # 44
You need not be dignified with a response

Re: # 45
Pakistan3,
Not intending to argue I am living this experience for 4 decades and bringing up a second generation of off-springing Muslims in North America I am compelled to correct your misunderstanding.
Alhamdulillah Islam progresses as it should in all manners in this part of the world, dont be misled by the sporadic stories of people who may have stumbled and fallen but to tell you the truth a good majority of even those picks up shakes the dust off and rubs their knees and once again begins to walk the towards Sirat-e-mustaqeem.
May Allah SWT bless all of us toward the right path regardless of their geographical existence, ameen.
(Note: the number of those who reverted to deen-e-Islam in the year 2005 is estimated at 135,000, while a majority of that number is females)
I must remind you not to consider what is posted by others to be rubbish specially when it is about your deen you may educate yourself to counter another person's statements or posts in a decent manner subject to your adoption of deen in it's true spirits.

Re: # 46

izuber sahib,

nasty thing to do to distract attention from what I said!

Kindest regards

Humanitarian duties

A problem which has become highly relevant in the life of Muslim communities of today. Duties toward God are over emphasized while duties toward fellow human beings are given a low position on the list of priorities, both at the individual and community levels.
Yet, a good balance is the main characteristic of Islam and its code of living. Hence, a Muslim's responsibilities toward other human beings are indeed given a very strong emphasis in Islam. The Prophet states that a Muslim has a "sanctity", which means that he must always be respected, well-treated and immune from assault on his person, property and integrity. Hence, the Prophet defines the relationship of brotherhood between Muslims, and what it entails in practical life. He says that a Muslim is a brother to every Muslim: the one never treats the other unjustly, nor lets him down, nor tries to humiliate him." He also tells us that the "sanctity" of a believer is "in God's view, greater than the sanctity of the Ka'aba." I hasten to state that the word "sanctity" is inadequate to give all the connotations of the Arabic term the Prophet has used. Suffice it to say that the Hadith implies that all rights, minor or major, that belong to a Muslim must be always respected. A person at the receiving end of injustice is sure to have God's help. The Prophet tells that "supplication by a person treated unjustly goes directly to God without any hindrance." This very statement should be sufficient to make anyone who exercises any degree of power to be on his guard lest he should treat anyone unjustly. Moreover, mutual help between members of a Muslim community is highly emphasized. Try to help anyone with something of importance to him or her, and you are certain to receive God's help in accomplishing what you need. The Prophet says: "Whoever helps his brother with a certain need shall have God helping him in accomplishing his own purpose." The Prophet himself was the best example of extending a helping hand to all and sundry. Even the weakest member of the community could draw on an inexhaustible source of help from the Prophet. The Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) who was also the head of the Muslim state, would let even a slave make any demand on his time and service. We should not forget that the Arabian society in the pre-Islamic days was so unjust to both women and slaves. The Prophet was also the best of neighbors and he emphasized that neighbors have a claim on our kindness. He tells us "The Angel Gabriel has  reminded me so often of the rights of a neighbor until I began to think that a neighbor may have a claim to inheritance." This means that the status of a neighbor should be viewed as comparable to that of a family member. According to Muslim scholars, [being] a neighbor is not [limited to] only the person living next door. The persons living forty houses away in every direction are also your neighbors. On the other hand, when the Prophet heard one of his companions say to Bilal during an argument, "You son of a black woman", he was very angry indeed. He said to that man: "You insult him on account of his mother? You certainly have not purged yourself from the values of an ignorant society." All that gives us just an idea of the sort of emphasis Islam attaches to the rights of individuals, particularly those who are vulnerable in society. We must not forget that the Prophet's conduct serves as an example which we are required to follow. It is important to realize here what sort of example the Prophet sets in respect of family life. As for the treatment of women, the Prophet says: "The best among you are those who treat their wives best. I am indeed the best of you in the way I treat my wives." We must look at this Hadith from the right angle. The first part of the Hadith lays down a principle which we must implement in our lives, because it is part of the Prophet's guidance. The second tells us of his practical example which we must follow. Therefore, there is a double emphasis here on the importance of treating wives well. When we compare this with the notion that prevails among the overwhelming majority of men in the Muslim world, we conclude that what we do is at variance with the Prophet's instructions. The letters that I receive from readers asking what they should do because their wives do not obey their instructions are too numerous for comfort. Little do they remember that the kind treatment of wives which the Prophet has encouraged by word and deed is the best way for them to win their wives' respect and a peaceful family life. The Prophet's wives have told us everything about his behavior in the privacy of his own home. There is not a single report that the Prophet ever rebuked any of his wives for any act of commission or omission. Even with his servants the Prophet was the kindest man. Anas ibn Malik reports: "I served the Prophet for ten years and he never said to me: Why did you do this, or why did you omit that." Visiting delegations to Madinah often thought that Anas and his mother belonged to the Prophet's own family, when they were only in his service. Moreover, we are told in an authentic Hadith that when the Prophet was at home, "he was in the service of his family." We tend to overlook all this and give little importance to the high-priority objective of Islam, namely, the eliminating of all injustice. People treat their wives unjustly, and they are unjust to people in their employment. Yet voices which speak against that remain faint, particularly of Muslim scholars. It is a fact of life that contemporary scholars have not addressed this question adequately. On the other hand, we have so much said and written about matters that cannot be described as being of equal importance. Look at the emphasis given to issues like the permissibility or otherwise of music, singing, photography, wearing a long robe that covers a man's ankles, etc. Look at the volume of spoken and written reminders on these and similar issues such as the length of a man's beard, the covering of a woman's face, the joining of people's feet in congregational prayer, etc. Some of these matters have their importance no doubt, but all of them are controversial in the sense that scholars have always had different views concerning each one of them. Moreover, they are far less serious than being unjust to one's wife, servant, employee, neighbor, or indeed fellow human being. We should always remember that God may forgive us all sins that relate to our duties toward Him, but He will not forgive us anything that is due to a human being until that person is ready to forgive it. Hence, balance between these two must be restored before we can truly claim to lead an Islamic life.
(Arab News)

Re: # 43

and at the end of the day the reality matters more than your bookish theory.

kindest regards

Re # 41. In Islam, woman is allowed to have 4 husbands also. Their witness counts for more than that of a man’s, they can divorce a man as easily as he can divorce her. They can lead Jumma prayers for men. They can drive upto 80 miles an hour in Saudi Arabia. Lastly but not leastly, they can breathe in Islamic countries. That’s why Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.

Has Sherif Abdel Azim, Ph.D ever seen a muslim woman?

Re: # 41

izuber sahib,

that is all rubbish. In reality these days things are the opposite of what you are trying to show.

Kindest regards