Aisha Sarwari May 7, 2008
#17 Posted by hamzaad on May 10, 2008 8:37:39 pm
bj,
u r an idiot not to mention thorough chutya. read the quote about who the 'brave' women are supposed to be..
u r an idiot not to mention thorough chutya. read the quote about who the 'brave' women are supposed to be..
#18 Posted by bjkumar on May 10, 2008 8:55:47 pm
Re: # 17
Dear hamzaad, I already elaborated the (guessed) reasons for the autor writing this piece in #3.
My GUESS is that Ms. Sarwari still carries a lot of guilt for not being able to do more than she did.
But it is easy for individuals like me (and perhaps you) to sit somewhere in a different country and pontificate. Unfortunately, when one runs into the REAL thing, it is a lot less easy.
First, one does not really KNOW the wife-beater. A violent man, if in bad mood enough, would not stop with his wife and would not spare innocent third parties who just happen to walk in by chance (as Ron Goldman unfortunately found out too late!).
Secondly, if you are yourself a woman, you are in a bit of the same weakened position as the victim being beaten up.
Third, if you complain, most people will only provide lip service. They will not do much against the wife-beater. There is a tendency to side with the man, using false logic like "she is no doodh-ki-dhoyee, either" etc. Some of these men may be afraid to do anything lest their own wife gets the "wrong ideas".
Fourth, the mullah will invariably take the man's side and he probably holds considerable sway.
Fifth, the law enforcement mechanism suffers from similar type of bias as most men in the society at large. Even if one finds a farishta law enforcement individual who cares and tries to bring the guilty to task - how the heck he can do without witnesses, evidence, etc. Without those, if he dispenses "justice" he is breaking the law himself, so how does that send a good message?
It is easy to talk about gelding the perpetrator but as most people know...
...human beings are far more complex than horses!
Dear hamzaad, I already elaborated the (guessed) reasons for the autor writing this piece in #3.
My GUESS is that Ms. Sarwari still carries a lot of guilt for not being able to do more than she did.
But it is easy for individuals like me (and perhaps you) to sit somewhere in a different country and pontificate. Unfortunately, when one runs into the REAL thing, it is a lot less easy.
First, one does not really KNOW the wife-beater. A violent man, if in bad mood enough, would not stop with his wife and would not spare innocent third parties who just happen to walk in by chance (as Ron Goldman unfortunately found out too late!).
Secondly, if you are yourself a woman, you are in a bit of the same weakened position as the victim being beaten up.
Third, if you complain, most people will only provide lip service. They will not do much against the wife-beater. There is a tendency to side with the man, using false logic like "she is no doodh-ki-dhoyee, either" etc. Some of these men may be afraid to do anything lest their own wife gets the "wrong ideas".
Fourth, the mullah will invariably take the man's side and he probably holds considerable sway.
Fifth, the law enforcement mechanism suffers from similar type of bias as most men in the society at large. Even if one finds a farishta law enforcement individual who cares and tries to bring the guilty to task - how the heck he can do without witnesses, evidence, etc. Without those, if he dispenses "justice" he is breaking the law himself, so how does that send a good message?
It is easy to talk about gelding the perpetrator but as most people know...
...human beings are far more complex than horses!
#19 Posted by TaheraSajid on May 10, 2008 10:10:38 pm
Inge Genefke, Rehabilitation and Research Center for torture Victims (RCT), Copenhagen, states:
“The aim of torture is to destroy a person as a human being, to destroy their identity and soul. It is more evil than murder…. Today we know that survivors of torture can be helped to regain their health and strength, and in helping them we take the weapon from their torturers.”
The smallest step taken in the right direction goes a long way. Great piece, Aisha.
TS
“The aim of torture is to destroy a person as a human being, to destroy their identity and soul. It is more evil than murder…. Today we know that survivors of torture can be helped to regain their health and strength, and in helping them we take the weapon from their torturers.”
The smallest step taken in the right direction goes a long way. Great piece, Aisha.
TS
#20 Posted by ijaz_gul on May 11, 2008 3:21:08 am
Its real and happens everywhere. However, by admitting the preveance I do not mean to condone it.
Well wiritten, thouh ypu could have filled in pieces to make it more informative.
Well wiritten, thouh ypu could have filled in pieces to make it more informative.
#21 Posted by Urstruly on May 11, 2008 5:37:00 am
Most of the wives get beat up beacuse they can't control their tongues. This attribute of women makes them probably the most annoying creature on this planet. This is their realm of excellence where they can easily crush the soul of even some of the most strog willed men. The women usually get beat up when they try o be oversmart and overdo it. I think women should take it slow but steady and it will always work out. In Gestapo and SS most of interrogators were women. In Guantanomo bay and Abu GHraib, women have been quite successful in crushing human souls. They made pyramids of their success there.
#22 Posted by bjkumar on May 11, 2008 5:58:24 am
Re: # 21
MiaN, everything you attribute to the "wives who get beat up" are also applicable to males - (1) can not control tongue, (2) most annoying creature on the planet, (3) trying to act over-smart, etc.
Why don't the MEN get beat up?!!
The answer is simple, like much else within Pakistan, in the end it is the physical control and domination which wins there. And mullahs like you are active promoters of that mindset!
MiaN, everything you attribute to the "wives who get beat up" are also applicable to males - (1) can not control tongue, (2) most annoying creature on the planet, (3) trying to act over-smart, etc.
Why don't the MEN get beat up?!!
The answer is simple, like much else within Pakistan, in the end it is the physical control and domination which wins there. And mullahs like you are active promoters of that mindset!
#23 Posted by iron_mask on May 11, 2008 6:05:33 am
Re: # 21 wah, wah kya baat!
Urstruly very very droooooollllll!
Atthe core is an interesting statement/inquiry/question
"why do woman make more successful interrogators?"
the rest is grist for the interact mill of chowk.
But would you care to expand on this issue you so indelicately raised.
Urstruly very very droooooollllll!
Atthe core is an interesting statement/inquiry/question
"why do woman make more successful interrogators?"
the rest is grist for the interact mill of chowk.
But would you care to expand on this issue you so indelicately raised.
#24 Posted by iron_mask on May 11, 2008 6:09:21 am
hang on....on second thoughts...urstruly you are saying actually its the case of
Husband torture
and not
wife beating
....man urstruly you need to change your nic....most will take the bait for they know your nic very very well...
Husband torture
and not
wife beating
....man urstruly you need to change your nic....most will take the bait for they know your nic very very well...
#25 Posted by iron_mask on May 11, 2008 6:11:20 am
should be "most will not take the bait".....
I swear by the great gods and goddesses that I really really typed the correct stuff in....
I swear by the great gods and goddesses that I really really typed the correct stuff in....
#26 Posted by hamidm2 on May 11, 2008 6:28:45 am
Re: # 21
urstruly,
... spoken like a true jihadi ! ...... does this mean that, like ata mohammed, you don't want women at your funeral ???
urstruly,
... spoken like a true jihadi ! ...... does this mean that, like ata mohammed, you don't want women at your funeral ???
#27 Posted by bjkumar on May 11, 2008 6:41:11 am
Re: # 26
MiaN, given a choice, urstruly would not have a woman present even at his birth!
Somehow, nature arranged it otherwise! He perhaps resents that fact and has been trying to settle the score ever since.
MiaN, given a choice, urstruly would not have a woman present even at his birth!
Somehow, nature arranged it otherwise! He perhaps resents that fact and has been trying to settle the score ever since.
#28 Posted by iron_mask on May 11, 2008 6:49:17 am
beej, you heard of immaculate conception,....right.....this could be the first case of a male virgins immaculate conception...ever thought of that ....
religion and science are fascinating subjects maybe you could explore it.....
religion and science are fascinating subjects maybe you could explore it.....
#29 Posted by akcheema on May 11, 2008 6:49:34 am
Re: # 26; hamidm sahib,
Why do you think "islamist" muslims are so 'karakht'(calus) and devoid of normal feelings?
Why do you think "islamist" muslims are so 'karakht'(calus) and devoid of normal feelings?
#30 Posted by CreateAlpha on May 11, 2008 6:54:53 am
Urstruly, I hope every muslim on this board slaps you virtually for making such an idiotic comment. In the event they get all pious and find excuses. I will surely come back to tear you a new one.
#31 Posted by nb on May 11, 2008 7:20:12 am
#21 Urstruly, what would your mother have thought, I wonder? I hope she does not have internet access if she is alive. You would have made her weep in shame at raising such a son if she could read it.
As for your wife, what she must suffer is obvious. I hope she manages to escape. You do realise many jurisdictions accept domestic violence as enough provocation to let the victims, usually women off charges for man-slaughter or murder on the basis of self-defence.
As for your wife, what she must suffer is obvious. I hope she manages to escape. You do realise many jurisdictions accept domestic violence as enough provocation to let the victims, usually women off charges for man-slaughter or murder on the basis of self-defence.
#32 Posted by Urstruly on May 11, 2008 7:23:17 am
Oh sure, now make me the bad guy for speaking out the truth. Oye zann mareedo, you remind me of the punjabi proverb: sou jootian, sou piyaz. Your misery is two fold just like the proverb. One one hand your women zaleel you day in and day out and on the other hand they make you speak out for "their" right to zaleel you too. Sharam karo.
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