When a Knock at the Door is Not Enough

Re: # 64
It further does not mean that it exists in all households across the board but it is deplorable in the strongest terms wherever it exists.

This does not justify violence anywhere but read:
http://www.ovw.usdoj.gov/domviolence.htm

Domestic violence continues to invade the public and private lives of women, men, and children, impacting families, friends, co-workers, and communities. These behaviors--whether physical, sexual, emotional, economic, or psychological—continue to occur in all homes regardless of education, income-level, or geography.

I encourage all individuals and groups to use October, designated as National Domestic Violence Awareness Month, to help raise awareness. Domestic violence is not only a personal tragedy, it is a serious crime that negatively affects women, men, children, neighborhoods and communities. We must join together to address the causes of this crime so that each and every home can be a place of peace and safety.

The Office on Violence Against Women (OVW) continues to make vital contributions to help those negatively impacted by domestic violence. In recognition of Domestic Violence Awareness Month, OVW has launched a powerful public service announcement (PSA), airing this month, to continue to raise awareness and increase education. This PSA, entitled “End It Now,” will target men, women, children, and the general public. Our goals at OVW are to encourage prevention and facilitate a greater public dialogue.

On August 28, 2007, I attended the grand opening of the New Orleans Family Justice Center. OVW made $3 million available to help create this support center, where victims can find the services they need in one central location. Through programs like the Family Justice Center communities are being transformed.

Let us take the opportunity this month to speak out and help others who have been impacted by domestic violence. I urge you to actively participate and show your support for Domestic Violence Awareness Month by getting involved with your state or local domestic violence program. At OVW we believe, “working together to end the violence” is the first step. We are all agents of change, whether we work locally in the community or as part of a large government agency. Thank you for doing your part to raise awareness.

more @ http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/MFAArchive/2000_2009/2001/8/The%20Advancement%20of%20t he%20Status%20of%20Women%20-%20Israel%2020

Since its establishment in 1948, the state of Israel has had the image of a country in which women enjoy full equality. This image, due to the liberal and socialist ethos of the Zionist movement, is, however, somewhat misleading. There are many areas, in which traditions, social institutions, religious rules, and even laws have kept women at a disadvantage: in the workplace, in divorce proceedings and as victims of violence. Changes in the political and economic climate, such as the Middle East conflict onflict in the Middle East and the influx of thousands of guest workers, have created new problems. The widening economic gap in Israeli society, along ethnic and geographical lines, points to the entrenchment of poverty and disadvantage in particular groups. Old women, single mothers, Arab women, immigrants from Ethiopia and the former Soviet Union and foreign workers (with or without work permits) are most vulnerable to poverty, health problems and abuse of basic rights. Women as a group are disadvantaged in the labor market, the health system, education, the courts and religious institutions and are subject to harassment and violence.

It is an intense issue while some are buying into establishing NGOs appearing to be women rights organization aspiring to collect Grant funds from various resources and so-called think tanks that are busy using the statistics of a nation to portray its marred image in the international arena affecting other implications against such nations while failing to look under their own arms.
Its a big game played on the lives of many women around the world selectively.

#67 Posted by izuber on May 11, 2008 12:48:27 pm

goatbrain: are you seriously comparing the status of israeli women with those of women in islamic countries?

#66 Posted by izuber on May 11, 2008 12:47:00 pm


This does not justify violence anywhere


Umm...you're doing exactly that..justifying violence by saying it happens in america too..if you're not, then statistics from america, where women are doing way way better than those in islamofascist countries, is as relevant as traffic statistics on the beltway...

#64 Posted by HP on May 11, 2008 12:14:06 pm


Is it true that Christians, Hindu, Sikh,and Jews have stopped beating their wives?


christian, hindu, sikh and jewish women are doing way better than islamic women..

Take any measure..education, achievement, workforce participation...

if you're saying that this is because christians, hindus, sikhs and jews beat their women, then maybe you need to beat your women more...sorta like eight belles..

Re: # 71

It is a myth that women in america are doing quite well. By all measures they are quite miserable as compared to women in Muslim societies. Lets take, your measures education and workforce particpation etc. If we take into account male vs. female ratio of education; the number of women in higher education is 75% vs. 25% men in Pakistan alone. This bursts your myth right there. As far as workforce participation is concerned one must ask at what cost. The woman in west has to abandon family, relationships and home to build a career. The average age of childbearing of women with career is 35+ when biological clock is around its last laps. At this stage in panic they run to egg banks or marry a chronically unemployed slob who would rear kids for them.If this is the cost of a career then Pakisatni/Muslim women are the best career women in the world. They have a full time career at home where wage is paid in nothing but love, dignity, and respect. I have been to America; I have spoken to american women about the life of Pakistani women; one must see their faces, the feeling of utter loss, emptiness, and guilt when they compare themselves with the women in Pakistan. There goes your myth again. About participation which is a highly subjective term, yes the women in the west have greater participation but again at what cost. In Pakistan alone a woman has been a Prime Minister twice but never being woman has been an issue for her - even from the religious orthodoxy. In America only now a woman is running for presidents' post and her being a woman is number one issue.

I do not expect much from you since you are a hindu, who have no moral or societal code of their own and always have to look outside for a dignified way of living but unfortunately some slave minded Muslims also subscribe to your point of view. These are extremist retard mongols who are so shortsighted that they cannot see a single good thing in our society. You can only pitty them.

The best way to contradict stupid biases about misogyny in pakistan is to not write posts saying women who talk too much are soul crushers and hence justifiably get beaten up by their unfortunate yet noble and brave "real men" husbands.

There is a legit reason why people speak out against misogyny, its not always to bash pakistan.

Just because you may have met some depressed american women it doesnt mean poverty and powerlessness is better than prosperity and emancipation. You may not know the poor destitute miserable beaten women living all over pakistan personally but they exist in overwhelming numbers and their lives are miserable.

Dont belittle the horrible cruelties they live through just because you met 2 depressed women in america and have subsequently decided life for average paki women (not bhutto's)is so brilliant that nothing needs to change.

Re: # 73

I suppose that your post was addressed to me. I think you have either a problem with reading comprehension or you are desperately trying to prove the myth "aurat choti aqal" to be true.

What I wrote in my several posts below is a fact that there is always a reason that wives get beat up; and their uncontrolled outbursts are one of the biggest reasons.It is just another debate whether those reasons are valid or invalid or beating them is a justified response or not. Nothing in this world happens without a reason ok?

I would have spoken to you nicely, which I usually do to all women, hadn't you used the word "mysogyny". This is slave-speak; dump it. You will do just fine with your indegenous diction.

So if a woman has an emotional outburst and her husband beats her vicously in response are you saying thats justified because there is an understandable reason?

and ive been speaking to you politely too, so i dont think you are doing me any favors.

As for choti aqal i think you are pretty much the champion on that but only someone with superior aqal would understand that, so clearly you cant.

arjun i.e. a train without the engine that is known as brain you are not dignified enough to be commenting on any of these issues you go worship your idols till they speak back to you.
This forum is not meant for your indulgence, so stay within your dhoti till your arse is burned and beaten while being burned by your qualifying sons who will lit the fire to burn you providing you a hell immediately as you cease to exist.

Re: # 75

Delete "thats justified because" from your first paragraph then answer is yes. And thats the point I have been making all along.

Thanks for speaking to me politely; a badtaneez aurat is the ugliest creature in universe. So is a man, if it makes you happy, therefore, it is said that khush ikhlaqi mard ka zewar hay/

Under no circumstances one is to beat another soul unless they are in a appropriately incepted Jihad fi sabeel lillah, and even during Jihad one is not intentionally kill the other if there is a slight chance of capturing the enemy.
With regards to woman's status in Islam it is very clear but it is due to the level of illiteracy among Muslims who only know that the man is the head of the household and nothing beyond that so they go to establish their administration in all the wrong ways they are able to.

Re: # 77
SubhanAllah, I am impressed to see that some here are as polite as you in your approach.

May Allah SWT bless you with honor.

so you are saying its not justified but there is no need to condemn it?

badtameezi is ugly and there is no need for you or me to do it, im just asking you questions.