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Re: # 47

thanks. it will. dont think can personally do justice to it at this point in time, so on to other stories about flowers, music and lambikins dancing around trees :)

bj, the novel as a form continues to evolve, are suspense and surprise really that essential to it anymore? as for women in the desi context, more and more women that i know are marrying for love, or waiting for love before getting married, or leaving a marriage when love dies.

Re: # 47

thanks. it will. dont think can personally do justice to it at this point in time, so on to other stories about flowers, music and lambikins dancing around trees :)

bj, the novel as a form continues to evolve, are suspense and surprise really that essential to it anymore? as for women in the desi context, more and more women that i know are marrying for love, or waiting for love before getting married, or leaving a marriage when love dies.

Re: # 47

thanks. it will. dont think can personally do justice to it at this point in time, so on to other stories about flowers, music and lambikins dancing around trees :)

bj, the novel as a form continues to evolve, are suspense and surprise really that essential to it anymore? as for women in the desi context, more and more women that i know are marrying for love, or waiting for love before getting married, or leaving a marriage when love dies.

Re: # 52

[are suspense and surprise really that essential to it anymore?]

Well, only if one wants regular folks to read the work.

Things could be different if the target audience is limited to a bunch of university-types gulping away wine in a hi-fi restaurant, or blowing cigarette smoke into everyone's eyes, or looking frizzled and bearded and unkempt and wearing thick reading glasses - well, perhaps THEY will be able to enjoy the turns and twists of what happened inside the HEADS of individual characters since the turns and twists of the EVENTS is already known, and so forth. I mean, such work may even get nominated for some award (by other individuals with thick reading glasses) - but the average joker will simply yawn!

{"She slumped unconscious long before the power supply to their apartmentcomplex in Gulistan-i- Jauhar was restored, and he was able to peruse a good half hour of porn on the internet too.

That, Aslam thought as he came onto the landing to smoke- he didn’t like the smell of tobacco lingering in the house"}

Shandana,
Another brilliant effort on your part. I really enjoyed the macabre sensitivity of Aslam in not being able to tolerate the stench of stale tobacco in his house. You have captured the idiotic and cruel dichotomoy of this leper very well in this article.
While we hope that the "thump" was final and fatal, we need to amplify, ridicule, ban, and eradicate this all too common physical battering of the weak at the hands of the "strong." Of course, the bulk of the interacts will be consumed by "my mom's better than your mom" India/Pakistan, Hindu/Muslim rhetoric. The fact remains that the curse of domestic violence is rampant in all societies, including the self-righteous Hindus.

So Aslam wanted to bugger the little boy and was taking out his repressed feelings on his wife? Or he was just a run of the mill misogynist prick asserting his dominance?

Some cool visuals.

#54 by Salim

Aslam is a good Muslim. He is doing what is clearly sanctioned in Islam. Anyone who spins it otherwise, is merely "interpreting" the text to his/her convenience.

(please note - all occurances of beating "lightly" in the quotes below are interpretations by the translator - the qualification "lightly" is absent in the actual text)

1. Yusuf Ali:

"....As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)."

2. Pickthal:

"...As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great."

3. Shakir:

"...and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

4. Al-Hilali & Mohsin Khan:

"....As to those women on whose part you see ill­conduct, admonish them (first), (next), refuse to share their beds, (and last) beat them (lightly, if it is useful), but if they return to obedience, seek not against them means (of annoyance). Surely, Allâh is Ever Most High, Most Great."

5. Dr. T.B. Irving:

"...Admonish those women whose surliness you fear, and leave them alone in their beds, and [even] beat them [if necessary]. If they obey you, do not seek any way [to proceed] against them. God is Sublime, Great."

6. Muhammad Sarwar:

"...Admonish women who disobey (God's laws), do not sleep with them and beat them. If they obey (the laws of God), do not try to find fault in them. God is High and Supreme."

7. Rashad Khalifa

"....If you experience rebellion from the women, you shall first talk to them, then (you may use negative incentives like) deserting them in bed, then you may (as a last alternative) beat them. If they obey you, you are not permitted to transgress against them. GOD is Most High, Supreme."

8. Abdul-Majid Daryabadi:

"...And those wives whose refractoriness ye fear, exhort them, and avoid them in beds, and beat them; but if they obey you, seek not a way against them; verily Allah is ever Lofty, Grand."

9. E.H. Palmer

"...But those whose perverseness ye fear, admonish them and remove them into bedchambers and beat them; but if they submit to you, then do not seek a way against them; verily, God is high and great."

10. Muhammad Ayub Khan:

"...And those whose rebellion you fear, admonish them and leave them alone in the beds, and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; God is surely High, Great."

11. Ahmed Raza Khan:

"...the women from whom you fear disobedience, (at first) advise them and (then) do not cohabit with them, and (lastly) beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek to do injustice to them; indeed Allah is Supreme, Great."

12. Hassan Qaribullah & Ahmad Darwish:

"...Those from whom you fear rebelliousness, admonish them and desert them in the bed and smack them (without harshness). Then, if they obey you, do not look for any way against them. Allah is High, Great."

13. Mahmud Y. Zayid:

"...and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

14. Muhammad Asad:

"...And as for those woolen whose ill-will" you have reason to fear, admonish them [first]; then leave them alone in bed; then beat them ;4s and if thereupon..."

Hey Shandana,

Are you another proud Islamic woman?

#57 by krishna_abcd

AFAIK, Shandana is a Christian. BTW, why are you picking on her?

why does Shandana's religion matter. Does what she wrote have anything to do with religion?

Krishna,
Thank you for your extensive research on the subject. I am impressed by the number of different translations that you have read.

Re: # 60
Mr. Chauhan,

There are websites for these comparisons!

Although I am glad (al-hamdu lilah) that people are now in the comparison mode at CHOWK, quoting so many does not mean one has read them all. And reading all translations does not mean one has grasped the inner truth of ayahs or understood the translators' tilts.

Regards.

#58 harish_hyd

[AFAIK, Shandana is a Christian. BTW, why are you picking on her? ]

AFAIK, I asked her a question. Whether she is Muslim. Why is that "picking on her"?

#60 Salim_Chauhan

[Thank you for your extensive research on the subject. I am impressed by the number of different translations that you have read. ]

You mean the translations that mention that beating your wife is "halal"? Thanks.

love it. aslam is a good instance of the creature that is the pakistani male.