May 12: One Year Passed, No Lessons Learned

3 cheers for Nawaz Sharif -- it was the only honorable thing to do in a very dishonorable situtation. 'sur daad nu daad dust dur dust-e Yazid'.

nasah: Exactly! Nawaz Sharif has acted with honor. And Zardari has acted in a disgraceful manner - there can be no excuse for this turnabout. There was an excellent piece on AajTV by Talat Hussain who showed clips from PPP leaders (including the current foreign minister) saying that without the Chief Justice being restored the independence of the judiciary would be compromised, and similar other clips. Talat Hussain ends the program saying that if PPP has decided to do a turnabout on this issue, it should at least explain to its workers why dozens of them sacrificed their lives last year on this very issue!!

Tahmed sahib:

This act by Nawaz Sharif and Asif Zardari are no more than posturing to give a respectable space to a hot-headed punjabi. NS will get his way, justices will be restored, but not through a legislative order - as he wanted, but through a constitutional amendment. Neither of them, in my view, have the courage to destroy the mandate from awam, which has trusted these two to deliver and not to walk away.

Nawaz Sharif has not done enough by just resigning his party from the cabinet. This game was played by fukking sarkari moulvis in the last round of musical chairs when they were given the bones of the government of NWFP and Baluchistan to chew on and they became the goddamned opposition. Havn't we seen enough of this circus for the last 5 years. Nawaz has to resign his whole party from national and provincial assemblies. We don't want to see the moulvi striptease once again. Or they can all go to hell and wait for the day of reckonning in guillotine parks, which is just around the corner.

prophetboy: what happened to your CJ dude? I thought the super duper democratically elected government(first in south asia) was going to remove mushy...the mushy who, all by himself in hsi basement, trained, armed and funded islamic jihadis...without whom there would be no islamic jihadis in the land of the pure...

anil sahib #3 while i admire the confidence with which you make these predictions, i think before predicting the future one should focus on what has already happened - thus, you make no distinction between the respective stands on the judges issue by Nawaz Sharif and Asif Zardari. When in fact the difference the difference is night and day - with Nawaz Sharif doing the honorable thing, and with Zardari doing the dishonorable thing.

Leave grand generalizations that gloss over obvious realities to lesser individuals than yourself. You can do better than that.

arjun#5 it is obvious from your post that you have trouble putting two meaningful sentences in english. you are better off just cutting and pasting irrelevant things from the internet and decorating it with some gibberish about "paki! paki! paki!".

prophetboy: we're waiting for you to tell us how indians opening threads caused nawaz to withdraw from the government and messed things up...you've already told people who post simple balance of payment numbers that they're spiteful..as if, by posting the numbers, they caused the mess that pakiland finds itself in..

Lessons learnt?

Lesson learning starts once Teaching-a-Lesson stops.

These are Cantonment and Colony Caninines. They LOVE to be mistaken for the goraa by their walk, talk & dress. They Love the english language especially as imitation artists of their masters.

They are Kuttaas, Ba Ba Blacksheep. toaa mainaas, performing Bunders, Hyenas and mules ( khachhars)..

These Kanjarisaed Khachars will never ever learn a lesson..they love to be educated...

They are not learned, the are EDUCATED! They never had the benefit of a Madresssa education..they feel proud that they know only EASY URDU. They feel "faarinish" in their miserable OFFENCE-COLONIES..

Thier drooling asses & Lickety-Lick tongues are always yelping for the goraa to never stop their orgasmic-orgies of killing muslims wherever they find them & their Masonic-Satanic agenda gets implemented & they experience that mother-of-all-orgasms as a grand-finale.
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U.S. paid bounty for Khadr arrest in Pakistan

COLIN FREEZE

From Tuesday's Globe and Mail

May 12, 2008 at 9:32 PM EDT

A U.S. intelligence agency paid a bounty of $500,000 (U.S.) to Pakistani military officials who arrested a Canadian citizen wanted for links to al-Qaeda, according to a new Federal Court ruling.

Mr. Justice Richard Mosley ordered an Oct. 19, 2004, RCMP memo released yesterday after lawyers for The Globe and Mail fought for its disclosure. The newspaper obtained the document more than a year ago, but chose not to publish it after Crown lawyers warned that the release of the information could illegally reveal a state secret.

U.S. officials – likely from the Central Intelligence Agency – had regarded the bounty as sensitive information passed along to Canada in confidence, prompting officials to fight to keep it secret.

Marked “Top Secret,” the internal Mountie memo was addressed to former RCMP commissioner Giuliano Zaccardelli. Its subject matter was the arrest in Pakistan of Abdullah Khadr, now 28 and jailed in Toronto, the oldest living male member of Canada's infamous Khadr clan.




“He is deemed to be a national security threat and has a $USD 500,000 outstanding bounty for his capture,” the memo reads. “He is deemed to be a great intelligence asset due to his close relationship with Osama bin Laden and other [al-Qaeda] members.”

The suspect is the older brother of Omar Khadr, who was arrested at 15 in Afghanistan and sent to the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay.

Like his siblings, Abdullah Khadr was raised in Afghanistan by a fundamentalist father, a naturalized Canadian, who befriended Mr. bin Laden while fighting the Soviets.

The family fled to Pakistan in late 2001, where the local army killed the Khadr family patriarch in 2003 and arrested Abdullah Khadr a year later. He was questioned by a host of U.S., Canadian, and Pakistani agents while in custody for nearly a year. During that time, he is alleged to have made several admissions about running guns and rocket launchers to al-Qaeda fighters in Afghanistan.

Mr. Khadr was released in 2005, and Canadian officials facilitated his repatriation, but he was arrested within days of landing in Toronto. More than two years later, he continues to fight extradition to Boston on a U.S. indictment alleging material support for terrorism. While the Mounties say they considered Mr. Khadr a “primary target” of their own investigation, they never laid any charges in Canada.

So far, Mr. Khadr's allegations that he was tortured in Pakistan, and his battles for disclosure of documents in Canada, have stymied all attempts to extradite him. Officials allege he admitted running guns across the Pakistan-Afghanistan border – “I only buy and sell weapons for al-Qaeda,” he told authorities, according to a transcript – and also said he used a GPS device to map out co-ordinates for Pakistani jihadists plotting to assassinate Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf.

It was amid the Canadian disclosure battle that federal officials inadvertently released to Mr. Khadr's lawyers the top secret Mountie memo as part of the case's voluminous court filings.

Citing secrecy provisions in the Canada Evidence Act, Crown officials tried to pull it back within hours of its release last spring, and, after learning The Globe and Mail had obtained a copy in the interim, warned that publication could lead to prosecution.

That set the stage for a court battle that ended yesterday with Judge Mosley supporting the news media's right to publish the document. “It is a reasonable inference from the public evidence filed in this application that the bounty was offered and paid by the U.S. government,” his 47-page decision reads.

Judge Mosley then went one step further, confirming that the payment was made, even though the memo said only that the bounty was offered.

“The evidence heard in camera supports the conclusion that the bounty was offered and paid by the U.S.,” Judge Mosley said in his ruling.

The Federal Court found that the information was supplied to Canada in confidence, and that the attorney-general had acted in good faith by striving to keep it secret. Even so, Judge Mosley ruled that the memo is crucial to Mr. Khadr's defence and the public has a right to know about it.

“The fact that a foreign state paid a bounty for the apprehension of a Canadian citizen abroad and that Canadian officials were aware of it at an early stage is also a matter in which the public would have a legitimate interest,” the decision reads.

Government lawyers had argued that a “third-party rule” in intelligence circles keeps vital information flowing among states. Global counterterrorism agencies swap secrets on the understanding that sensitive foreign-generated information should not be publicly produced domestically. To jeopardize the third-party rule is often seen as tantamount to risking the entire flow of information.

Peter Jacobsen, the lawyer who acted for The Globe and Mail, called the ruling a victory for transparency. “It was a crack in the system that allowed The Globe to know this information even existed,” he said. “… One wonders how much other information is out there being unjustifiably kept from the public in the name of risk to national security or international relations.”

Mr. Khadr's lawyer, Nathan Whitling, said the memo is crucial. “The secret payment of this bounty is another illustration of the U.S.'s notorious practice of ‘outsourcing torture,' ” he said in an e-mail.

“Rather than getting its own hands dirty, the U.S. simply paid the Musharraf regime $500,000 to arrest Mr. Khadr, knowing full well what Pakistan would do to him.”

When asked which U.S. intelligence agency paid the bounty, another one of Mr. Khadr's lawyers said it was obvious. “The CIA,” said Dennis Edney. Asked if he had any doubt about that, he said, “none at all.”

Mr. Edney added that records show that the CIA questioned Mr. Khadr for 17 days at the beginning of his detention in Pakistan. Defence lawyers intend to argue that the CIA grilling sessions informed, influenced and tainted all subsequent interrogations, nullifying any admissions Mr. Khadr may have made.

#4 uratruly: For the sake of pakistanis who dont have the luxury of chatting on the internet, but rather have to worry about their next meal, let us hope that Zardari realizes that he is making the same mistake that Musharraf made - namely, underestimating public demands for the restoration of the Chief Justice. If he goes down the same disastrous path as Musharraf, then God help Pakistan.

#8 arjun: where did i say anything about indians?

Indian economy in trouble, rupee melting. Hope Bad news company notes what is happening in their backyard.

MUMBAI, May 12: The Indian rupee weakened past 42 per dollar for the first time in more than a year on Monday after data showing factory output grew at its slowest in six years raised concerns about a slowdown in the economy.

Everybody feels forppor indian which is suffering at hands of undemocratic elite govt supported by usa to suppress poor indians and they are dieing in hundreds / farmers killing themselves. No uicides here. All wheat produced in Pakistan is smuggled to india, central asia.

Re: # 10

"let us hope that Zardari realizes that he is making the same mistake that Musharraf made - namely, underestimating public demands for the restoration of the Chief Justice."(tahmed)


tahmed -- it is hoping against hope -- it is really against the nature of the beast.

If Zardari -- now one of the Musharraf's most favourite Durbaris -- would have realized that -- then he would not have needed -- like an ordinary criminal -- a mountain of NRO bribes -- from a bribe-giving criminal -- and just like briber giver Musharraf -- he wouldn't have to stay mortally afraid of an independent judiciary.

Zardari knows that Musharraf messed with the SC judiciary and lost all respectability overnight -- but Zardari also knows that for him with no comparative education, no intellect and no past respectability -- like that of Mushrraf -- Zardari will lose nothing because he had hardly any to start with.

nasah #13 Actually Zardari had gained respectability after Benazir's death: People were pleasantly surprised when Zardari spoke out for national unity the day after she was assassinated. Virtually everyone I talked to was praising him for this. And his sordid past was forgiven altogether once he was seen as walking the talk. And he was close to being discharged from the "Corruption Rehab Clinic" altogether when he joined Nawaz Sharif in signing of the Bhurban declaration. All he had to do was continue to walk the talk.

Now he is back where he was all along - a man who does not respect his own words, who puts his misconceived notions of personal or family interest before the national interest even in these critical times.

On the bright side - Nawaz Sharif has stood firm like a rock on this key principle of the rule of law, and Pakistan may have found its badly needed needed national leader during this time of crisis.

madani...rupee at 42 is a good thing..

Re: # 14; tahmed

what is your prediction for the future?


Arjun mian,

you need to teach me how to do that