Mohajirs Are People Too

What are we talking about here? The Sindhis reflect the softness of the Sufi culture, it is visible in their demeanour. Far superior and quite opposite to the Magadhi Muhajirs about whom the writer is waxing eloquent.

Yes, mohajirs are indeed as respectable and adorable a people as any other ethnicity or community in Pakistan or elsewhere...

The world is but an idle dream
It shapes a film upon a stream
If you would know reality
Then listen carefully, mark and see
That oneness is a mighty sea
Where pluralism's bubbles team

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re 159
:) exactly !

Re: # 158
Thank you, cliftonbridge for so eloquently concluding this ongoing matter in such simple words, it is my utmost wish that all of us stop naming ethnicities and put an end to this issue for ever, while we all regard and live our cultures without encroaching others.

Its silly to keep having the same fight over and over again, if ethnicity isnt important it shouldnt be important to anyone. If its important to everyone else then you cant expect urdu speakers to unilaterally give up theirs. That being said urdu speakers are actually the most willing to give up their ethnic identity as they are a subselected group who CHOSE to leave their history and land behind for an ideology.

Quite frankly this whole talk of bangaldesh/jinnahpur is stupid and a khyalli pulao, karachi has a shit load of problems but rampant intermarriage will take care of the "ethnic" bloodline issues. Then we will be left with nonethnic karachiites fighting for what they see as their due rights - just like every other part of pakistan. To think that struggle can only result in partition , in any part of pakistan is very defeatist and counterproductive.

One has to have eggs and a basket too to be putting those in there!
What else can one call it other than inferiority complex when a general description is taken as offensively as it appears from your writing, it boils down to nothing but a complex, although nothing was mentioned about "you" other than your statements but you seem to be willing to own it which is self-explanatory once again.
Regardless of your views things are much different than how you view those, while I cant blame you for anything except how you place your views in a compilation of statements. You as an individual have the right to an opinion and I have the right to consider those flawed, biased and prejudiced.
No one person ethnicity or culture has the God given right to claim Pakistan or any region thereof as their jageer, while you continue to claim that since inception of Pakistan in in the days earlier to that the region of Sindh province is an ownership of "Sindhis(as defined in your terms)" and in clear and strongest terms I challenge your portrayal of this as an anti-Pakistan innuendo.
With regards to Qaid's declaration of Urdu as the national language that is altogether a different matter and a separate issue, which should be addressed under separate cover as it has nothing to do with what you have been attempting to instigate and perpetrate thus far.
What you have been painting so nicely totals to nothing but the attempts of few who care to break Pakistan into pieces under a conspiracy supported by we know who, and this is not acceptable under any circumstances or terms.
First you began with the shifting of the Sindh university to Hyderabad and once you were countered on that you attempt to dance all over the floor and avoid the spot-light focus, and since you have been jumping from one place to another playing your hop-scotch, while the summation of all your arguments and statements totals to nothing more to what I have already said more than once.
A country can have only one National language, a language which majority of ethnicities can communicate in as such it was adopted, wearing a blue shirt does not mean that all those who wear another color are to be insulted.
What comes out as the most evident from reading your statements that it is the speakers of Urdu that you wish to blame, and you appear to think that they are responsible for all your problems, you are wrong and I most respectfully continue to disagree with you on that issue.
As I have mentioned and you fail to read that there are good, bad and ugly in all ethnicities and I don't deny the fact that some may have committed something that may not be as polite but that should not become the reason for stereotyping the entire class of people.
As I have told you earlier that I have personally interacted and acquainted closely with various Sindhi intellects and found them to be very cordial in all manners, so I know and can affirm that it is not the entire Sindhi community that looks at non-Sindhis through the same lense that a few like you do.
Now you bring Baluchistan in your discussion and that will have due regard and discussed in a separate discussion of it's own.
I would like to understand clearly from you that deep inside do you wish to reconcile what you see as differences among various sections of nation or you only like to take advantage of blame game strategy to inflame and push wedges among people of various ethnicities?
The deeds of everyone are reflective of their intentions so come out and say in open what your agenda is.

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Denials and twists won't help, stop painting me as a misguided JSQM or whatever guy, ...
and LOL at calling me " illetrate " , "who suffer from an inferiority complex" ,"intense admirers of the Jack-ass"

..etc.etc.etc and etc...

these all are ad hominems .


I have given you an honest view , my personal view , you have the right to disagree with it, but ignoring it is like
deceiving yourself .

so when we Loose , Bangladesh , and start finding scapegoats , we never learn a Lesson.

I mentioned 27-30 Dec , after the Murder of Benazir , it was to underline the CHANGE in the Mindset of Sindhi, and Zardari's attempt , will only temperarily put the matter on the back burner, but if these issues are not addressed with sincerity , they are bound to bounce back.

Same is the case in Balochistan, dismissing it lightheartedly , and blaming Others, won't help again.


Yes you can ignore the ominous signs , thats your prerogative , But trust me they are REAL.

Yes Sindhis had no problem till 71 , because till them, it was all the 'RAG' of Bhaichara , and Pakistan pakistan, etc.
it was only after Sindhi was given its due recognation that all the hell was let loose ,like I said 71-72 were watershed years.

and you want to tell me, that when M A Jinnah declared " URDU " the national language , and Bengalis objected , it has no role in the alienation ...??


and Yes Napier did recognized the importance of Karachi as a strategic Port ,back in 1867 british spent 250,000 pounds sterling on the development of this strategic port, but you cannot dismiss the contribution of Sindhi Hindus and Parsis in the development of Karachi.

LOL

Standard rheotorics and ad hominems

and also Putting the eggs in the wrong basket.
LOL

Karachi or any other city is nobody's baap key jageer in the manner you relate to it.
It is the undercover attempt by you to further the propaganda of JSQM but while you spew all that poison on the back of a dead gaddha you don't have the backbone to speak up openly.
You resort to scattered thoughts yes 70-71 were celebrated by your kind and there is a graveyard full of people who died in those clashes perpetrated by Mumtaz Ali Bhutto & his kind who thought that like he kidnapped and kept Abdul Waheed Katpar's daughter he would be able to hijack Urdu but that was not the case.

Who do you talk about as givers of the best city, who owned that city of Karachi or be it any city of Pakistan?

Where did you get the right to own a city of Pakistan from?

Urdu and urdu walas are no less than elite but that doesn't mean that speakers of any other language are any less, but that does not apply to those who claim to be owners of Karachi in 1947 and are intense admirers of the Jack-ass.

It was not the superior culture of Urdu that was the cause of losing East Pakistan, the principal reason and personality behind that was of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto who in the first place became merciful about Agartala conspiracy and had Mujibur Rehman off the hook and when Mujib won the majority vote it was the ZAB style of democracy to refuse the majority from establishing govt. he would rather give up that part of the country so he himself could be portrayed as the choice of majority and he did that exactly. It was ZAB and cronies who are absolutely responsible for the dismemberment of East Pakistan. Urdu played no role in that separation or as you call alienation.

The city which you claim to be the Best now was developed by the then British rulers and later developed by all those that chose it to be their home.

It is a matter of being literate and having an open mind lack of which culminates ideas like yours, to name a few Abdul Wahid Sindhi and Pir Ali Muhamad Rashdi were two famous intellectually rich Sindhi author who saw no problems with those who migrated to found Pakistan but it becomes more evident reading from you that there is a number of people there who suffer from an inferiority complex and wish to capitalize on this disease of theirs. They lack self esteem which leads to nothing else but a sense of insecurity based upon their complex which is not a treatable disease unless they chose to treat themselves no one can treat a complex.

While I interacted with the two named above with quite cordial terms I have also had the honor to be a neighbor of Justice Hasan Ali Abul Rahman also a prominent sindhi who never resorted to such influence of inferiority complex.

The intensity with which you claim of ownership to the City and Province, let me tell you about it with the history of my very own clan, if I were to began talking like you did I would disown everyone else from having any rights on that very motherland you claim to be owned by Sindhis.

Talking about my family it started migration from Mecca and Madina towards Sindh, some 40-50 years after its conquest by Mohammad bin Qasim. They settled in a place known as "Kanbah", which was near modern Dadu. Shamsuddin A1 Bashari, a renowned historian and a geographer traveled in Sindh extensively in the 4th century of Hijra and in his Book he wrote that: "I travelled the whole area, which is known as "Kanbayah" which is the abode of my clan.Kanbayah became "Kanbah" and later it changed into "Kanboh" due to linguistic variations in the Persian period. Though this linguistic change became common, the people did not change and they are still having their special trends." (page 475 of the Lyden Edition, Germany), as referred by Al-Haj Mohammad Zubair in his book "Kitab-i- Zeest (Book of life) Page 123.

Latest observation about the my clan is by Mr. Khalid Chaudhry who visited a number of countries in search of belongingness and whose article appeard in Daily "Dawn" (Magazine Section dated February 21, 1999) and he writes that; "Our people Pakistanis, came from every where, beginning with the Aryans, to the Greeks, the Mongols, Central Asians, and the Arabs. We now have such family names as Al-Zubair clan speaking Urdu, but usually having semitic noses, lighter complexions and Arab origins likewise for the Arabs of Sindh, but who speak Sindhi" Our Arabic origin, special features and trends, and distinguished mental faculties made us a prominent family in the Indo-Pakistan sub-continent. this is the author's suggestion I dont believe in any prominence except humanity)
Second migration of the Al-Zubair clan took place by the end of the 4th century A.H. From Sindh to Multan, when Sindh was overrun by the Carmathians, opposed to the Abbasid Caliphate, at that time. The Al-Zubair clan joined Mahmood of Ghazna in his conquests in Indo-Pakistan Sub-Continent, and then settled in Multan.
Dear Aquarius, now take it easy and settle down and give up that inferiority complex because I assure you that you are no less than anyone else in Pakistan, build up your generations self-esteem and do your part towards contributing for the nation of Pakistan, envying and complexes do not take one anywhere. Let begones be bygones and take a fresh start in the right direction with a positive attitude.
I am not claiming that everyone is an angel and may at some time or another not committed acts that may have sowed the seed of doubt for some it is a universal truth that there are good, bad and ugly in all kinds of people, but knowing who we are we should be able to get over such things.

Re: # 151
and # 150


yes we in a habbit of denials, and explaining away things the way we Like.


70-71 was the watershed , what they call " the Language riots " ...and " Urdu ka Janaza hey zara dhoom say Nikley "


since 47 , immigrants were given the Best city Pakistan could afford, Karachi , no doubt about it, and the natives who were left , retreated into the rural aread, Karachi and Hyderabad and to some extent Sukhar was completely overtaken by " Elite Urdu Walas "

with that came Insistence, of a superior Urdu Culture and its imposition , even to the extent the we Lost Bengal.
beside other exploitive factors , leading to the alienation of Bengal, Urdu too was a Forceful factor.

after 71 , A Sindhi Z A Bhutto , recognized this, and tried to Bring his own language Sindhi , at least on an equal ground, when he bowed to the argument, "In Sindh then why not Sindhi"....
but then that opened up a floodgate of .......Distortions to realities. Sindis were perplexed . How Come they are feeling threatened by the revival attempt of our Language and culture...??and that too in our own land , which has over 5000 years Old historical roots.....!!

Then came 84 , and someone from THEM choose to become a STOOGIE of a Foreign Power, and exploited the panoria of an alienated population , who had no concern of, and was not even interested in what was happening outside their world, ie Just North of Karachi.

Let me give a little background.

Karachi has seen , a number of waves of immigrants, the First in 47-48 and upto late 50's , that changed the demographic composition of not only the city but Sindh iteself.
second , after 71 when people from "the then East Pakistan " landed here, Orangi is a living proof of that, its then , when the civic ammeneties and resources were beggining to get stretched ,creating a discontent ..but these were nearly absorbed , those who came from East Pakistan then started a New Life, and at One time, due to Punjabi-Behari economic partnership , thing were getting back on track, remember SherShah at one time was competing with Faisalabad in cloth production ..but they will choose to ignore it, because it involves their " Donkey " Punjabi , who always shoulders them and gave the mussle power to get their ways.

But the seeds were sowen, when Z A Bhutto , tried an affirmative action , to bring a sembalance to the imbalance , regarding the Sindhi Native representation in the Government ., yes I am talking about the Quota system.
and though their actual percentage in Sindh Population was about 20-22% , a 40:60 parity was adopted.

this action of trying to bring a Balance in representative participation , between the two ethinic communities who were then phycially bi-furcated into Rural-urban divide , was exploited and it still is exploited , to brainwash and zomize an alienated community filled with a sense of victimhood , to the maximum , leading to the voilent lash backs of 80's.

..then came a silent third wave , which started in 80's again from East Pakistan, now those who came, had resentment , resentment against Pakistan for leaving them in the lurch , and this migration , stretched the resources beyond limits, also then 30-35 years of existence ,or an arrogant superiority , its at time time, another event , an international event of monumous proportion was about to happen, Hong Kong, ...

Hong Kong was to ,change hands in 97 ,and a retreated once super power was looking for a possible alternative, they then exploited the conditions to the Maximum .and proped up One from among them , to lay condition till an appropriate time, in Pakistan too, the short sighted Zia joined in, he in order to reign in, PPP , went along and provided all the support.
Hence an ethinic Monter was created , the sense of ethinic isolation deepened with after 89, hordes and hordes of Afghan migrants entered the already brusting at seems with all sort of Problem city or Karachi.

hence , all the things fit in perfectly well, and they managed to wrestle away Karachi from Pakistan.


Musharraf ERA , is another step in this direction , Musharraf's most noteworthy contribution is the Shrinking of the Writ of STATE in Pakistan.

12 May proved that, when the President of Pakistan , in no uncertain terms, declared Un-Officially ofcourse , Pakistans law does not holds good in Karachi, when he refused to even set up a worthless enquiry commision.

Period.

By the way , ever wondered, why their leaders , has been given the coveted " RED Passport " by the Britishs...??

and why he refuses to comeback to his own created FIEFDOM ...??or is he Held Back for an appropriate time...??

and why , they have all sort of International sectriats in nearly all the major countries....??

yes we have seens many political exiles, and though most of them Land in UK, none demands and get a British Passport , hence none even desires to abandon his Pakistani citizenship for another countries citizenship.

yes we do have ,Elites who are propelled by their personal interests and have DUAL citizenships that of USA , but thats another matter.


..Thats the Tip of the iceberg.


..and Unfortunatley , I see 2011 , about to become a reality.


...the grand design that is being unfolded, right before our eyes, and Pakistani nation is in a Limbo. But perhaps, it was an artificial construct .... Period.

there was not Pakistan before 47 , there was no TNT before 30's , if we take Allama's " Khutba " as the starting point.

aquaris,

You have identified the problem very well.

Re: # 149
aquarius, you state as following
as expected .
you have not read my Last lines.
and let me repeat them ,
" though you can argue , this is a Baised Sindhi site, and it does not mention KHORO as the narrater...
none the less, this shows, how Sindhis Preceive themselves to be treated by the Elite Urdu Walas."

sir or madam:
I read that thoroughly and that further strengthens my thoughts because when you are aware that it is or could be biased based upon your understanding, then, why do you insist to rub it in? it is quite natural that when one doesn't feel confident upon something they refrain from consuming it, but in this case you seem to be rubbing against that jack-ass story over and again yet you know that the gaddha is dead, now what can one do if you are so in love with gaddha and that too a dead one.
With regards to the aftermath created by the hoodlums after Benazir's murder is deplorable and it points in one direction that we have traitors and infiltrators on-board this convoy who targeted the infrastructure of our homeland intentionally and purposefully.
They are from the same groups and class who raised the slogan of "Pakistan na khappay" when Zardari addressed the mourners in Garhi Khuda Bakash, he personally addressed those who raised this slogan and said that there is no such thing as Pakistan na Khappay.
Sindh is still well populated by those who dance to drum beats of anti-Pakistan elements while this dream will not come true.
Reading your writing over and again with all the pointers you wish to use makes one think deeper although you disclaim those statements within your very own writing and consider the references to be from a biased group yet you chose to refer to the same or similar again and again.
I dont wish to speculate without knowing you but what appear to convey is nothing more than wishes and rumors created by anti-Pakistan elements, while, constitutionally this matter becomes a defense of Pakistan affair and falls within the jurisdictions of a well trained and equipped army to deal with.
I hope you find my pointer clearly pointing towards those who wish to destroy our homeland as well as those who further their propaganda.
Best wishes.

Let me give you a pointer.


Why , what happened on 27-30 Dec 2007 in sindh ,after Benazir's murder , happened..??

Re: # 147

as expected .


you have not read my Last lines.

and let me repeat them ,



" though you can argue , this is a Baised Sindhi site, and it does not mention KHORO as the narrater...
none the less, this shows, how Sindhis Preceive themselves to be treated by the Elite Urdu Walas."


.. You have no Idea how it feels, when in your Own land you are told, your Language your culture is inferior , you have no Idea, how it feels when you are Told , your history starts with US , that is 60 years ago and like the way WE tell you so.

it has nothing to do with being anti-Pakistan etc..etc..etc...as you have tried to portray the Sindhi concerns.

But then Victors Lack, sensitivity to Local cultures.

Re: # 146
Lets talk about facts and people who dont know what they are talking about should either research first or hold their peace and let others exist in peace.
The Sindh University that is being touted about as having been discriminated and shut down from Karachi was not a teaching institution, it was only an examining authority and as such did nothing to educate people while it was in the business of certifying people.
The University of Sindh, the second oldest University of the country, was constituted under the University of Sindh Act. No. XVII of 1947 passed by the Legislative Assembly of Sindh. The Act was subsequently revised and modified in 1961 and later. The Act of 1972 under which the University is presently functioning provided for greater autonomy and representation of teachers.

From 1947 to 1951 the University functioned solely as an examining body. However, after its relocation in Hyderabad in 1951, it started functioning as a teaching university in pursuit of fulfillment of its charter and mission to disseminate knowledge; the first teaching department, namely, Department of Education, raised to the status of Faculty of Education later, was started in view of the great dearth of trained teachers in the country. The departments of basic Science disciplines as well as other departments on humanities side were added by mid fifties.(This is straight from the mouth of the horse and posted on the University of Sindh website which you can reach at http://www.usindh.edu.pk/introduction.html) go check it out.
Stop and ponder before spreading rumors. What you appear to be relying on comes from an "anti-Pakistan group" who manipulate every story be it real or a fix of their heads which they want to use to further their cause which is to break Pakistan, therefore, its your choice as to what you indulge with.
Jeay Sindh(and the Sindh Hari group) does not even have a moral support from real Sindhi ethnics while the echoes of their message to break Pakistan can be heard amplified through messages in this forum, and I hope it is unintentional since it constitutes "treason".

For your information Sindhis were not in the business of donkey carting as you assume, in the early days of Pakistan they either used two wheeler push carts that they manually used for hauling and the other means were camel carts, and bullock carts, as such your attempts to uselessly rubbing against the donkeys is no more than an attempt to inflame those who are not aware of the history.
Here is there charter & manifesto, one who subscribes to such rhetoric is consequently subscribing to treason against Pakistan:
Aims and Objects of Jeay Sindh Qaumi Mahaz
Aims & Objects (a)
1. Basic points of struggle of JSQM will be Nationalism, secularism, democracy & Socialism.
2. JSQM believes in national harmony and national struggle for the independence of Motherland Sindh "(Political, cultural, economical & geographical) independence."
3. The manifesto of JSQM is free state from, colonial, racism, religious, sexual and all other oppressing.
4. JSQM believes that lower & middle class is actual and active strength.
5. JSQM considers patriotic rising capitalist and "land lord class" as its partener.
6. JSQM considers Sain GM Syed as leader of national independence of Sindh and His program and idea of independent Sindh, global caolation, global peace and development of human being will be spread and practiced under the name of "Paigham-e-Syed", "G.M'ism" & "Idea of Syed".
7. JSQM will utilize all national resources to develop and make safe the national development and self respect in independent Sindhu Desh.
Aims & Objects (b)
1. JSQM supports the alliance of all liberal and “anti Punjab-dominance” parties.
2. JSQM considers Punjab and its foreigner associates as national foe while struggling.
3. JSQM considers all nations and movements as their associates who are fighting under the concept of latest nationalism.
4. JSQM will activate and aware Sindhi nation and will struggle for the ”national right of independence of SindhuDesh.”
5. JSQM will struggle for the freedom and existence of SindhuDesh Worldwide.
6. JSQM will take part in the activities of international peace, humanity and the struggles of independence of oppressed nations around the globe.
7. JSQM will consider Sain G M Syed's no-terrorism (Peaceful) idea as central idea for the freedom, development and defense of SindhuDesh, and will utilize each & every way, power and strategy of struggle to achieve the objective.
This is a published document by the JSQM.