Mohajirs Are People Too

Re: # 81
"And then there's the banya mentality that was brought along by the mohajirs..."
Well of course you quite accurate in your use of term Banya, a term which usually refers to Marwari Hindus, unless you are using the term to describe the successful career businessmen who were earnestly requested by the founder to become a Mohajir and they complied in the name of founding a seperate nation for the Muslims of India. From the first banker Habib of Habib Bank, to, Dawood, Adamjee, Bawany & Valike the most successful industrialist to Hakim Saeed a tabeeb and an intellect of international fame.
As such the burden of proof lies with you Janab Shobig_sifar as to which dictionary you look up before you inject this new term of Banya and associate it with Mohajirs?
Come clean Mr. Sifar

haha Atif payee, they are people too indeed; I am yet to see a Karachhiite with three pairs of limbs or a pooshal!

I have visited Karachi only twice in my life and the last time I did was about 12 years back, and the visit lasted only about 3 days. But I do have some fond memories of the place, particularly the wide roads and the beach. I kind of liked the place and thought even then that it's much more open and welcoming compared to Lahore, may be that had something to do with my innate affinity for the sea.

As for the professionalism part, I couldn't agree more on the fact that Karachiites are far ahead of the rest of Pakistan, including Islamabad. I think one natural and important outcome of accumulation of a wide variety of people and cultures in a place is the invocation of professionalism in them. And then there's the banya mentality that was brought along by the mohajirs...

Re: # 65
"Atif: when inviting guests to your rooh afza party, you may wish to stop referring to "mohajirs" as an ethnicity. Mohajirs is a bogus label created by mqm to create the us-vs-them mentality among its followers. A simple "Pakistani" should be enough. Unless you wish to extend your largesse to others and simply have an open house rooh afza party."
There we go again Tahir sahib, Mohajir as a term by used by our beloved Prophet to identify those who left their homes and all in Mecca and migrated to Madina, but, there were Ansar in Madina and you are wise enough so I dont have to repeat the entire story here, MQM a political party was born over 40 years after the Hijrat took place while Muslim League migrated with them twice, once when it was founded as the All India Muslim League and then it became Pakistan Muslm League as it laid the foundation for a separate homeland for the Muslims of India, knowing your intellect I can understand your throwing around that monkey wrench to overshadow the passion you carry for MQM in good humor, but, you know and a lot of people know that MQM just appeared on the horizon somewhere in the 80's, while the attempts to sabotage the original MQM by certain perpetrators who created the "MQM-Haqiqi" unfortunately while people take an aim at the MQM either they are not aware of the Haqiqi that was created to ghost the MQM original and all that the MQM-Haqiqi did so they can carry out all the negative acts which the people now blame on MQM.
As we discussed in the past I am neither a MQM loyalist nor have an urge to participate with them however I feel that before anyone blames a certain party or group of people one should educate themselves thoroughly in all aspects so that no injustice is committed in their speech or actions.
Mohajirs together comprise of all the people who migrated from various portions of India to establish a separate nation for the Muslims of India, their common medium is Urdu since they came together for a given cause that I am sure is also supported by you in the same spirit, as such the combined ethnicity of those Muslims who in all practical terms took the step to migrate to Mumlikat-e-Khudadad-e-Pakistan came to be known as Mohajirs, it was, is and will be, and should be so recognized by other ethnicities in Pakistan with regard as there is no reason to feel bad having Mohajirs around and those who feel they should conduct the so-called ethnic cleansing to exterminate the ethnic group of Mohajirs, should give up this dream as it will not serve anyone's interests in a positive manner and will only hurt none other than "ourselves".
Here Aatif wrote a beautiful account of supposedly a travel encounter that he experienced while he is the only one who knows if it is fact or fiction I take him on his word for his lovely experience and don't speculate as well as I appreciate his courage to come out and write his feelings as he observed although many on the Chowk may not appreciate his unbiased article as each individual has a different angle as to how they perceive while my in my perception Aatif has done a great service by his article and I request you to continue to write with the same true spirits as you didregardless of how bad some people feel your appreciation of your brief encounter with Karachi.

Re: # 65
"tif: when inviting guests to your rooh afza party, you may wish to stop referring to "mohajirs" as an ethnicity. Mohajirs is a bogus label created by mqm to create the us-vs-them mentality among its followers. A simple "Pakistani" should be enough. Unless you wish to extend your largesse to others and simply have an open house rooh afza party."
There we go again Tahir sahib, Mohajir as a term by used by our beloved Prophet to identify those who left their homes and all in Mecca and migrated to Madina, but, there were Ansar in Madina and you are wise enough so I dont have to repeat the entire story here, MQM a political party was born over 40 years after the Hijrat took place while Muslim League migrated with them twice, once when it was founded as the All India Muslim League and then it became Pakistan Muslm League as it laid the foundation for a separate homeland for the Muslims of India, knowing your intellect I can understand your throwing around that monkey wrench to overshadow the passion you carry for MQM in good humor, but, you know and a lot of people know that MQM just appeared on the horizon somewhere in the 80's, while the attempts to sabotage the original MQM by certain perpetrators who created the "MQM-Haqiqi" unfortunately while people take an aim at the MQM either they are not aware of the Haqiqi that was created to ghost the MQM original and all that the MQM-Haqiqi so they can carry out all the negative acts which the people now blame on MQM.
As we discussed in the past I am neither a MQM loyalist nor have an urge to participate with them however I feel that before anyone blames a certain party or group of people one should educate ourselves thoroughly in all aspects so that no injustice is committed in their speech or actions.
Mohajirs together comprise of all the people who migrated from various portions of India to establish a seperate nation for the Muslims of India, their common medium is Urdu since they came together for a given cause that I am sure is also supported by you in the same spirit, as such the combined ethnicity of those Muslims who in all practical terms took the step to migrate to Mumlikat-e-Khudadad-e-Pakistan came to be known as Mohajirs, it was, is and will be, and should be so recognized by other ethnicities in Pakistan with regard as there is no reason to feel bad having Mohajirs around and those who feel they should conduct the so-called ethnic cleansing to exterminate the ethnic group of Mohajirs, should give up this dream as it will not serve anyone's interests in a positive manner and will only hurt none other than "ourselves".
Here Aatif wrote a beautiful account of supposedly a travel encounter that he experienced while he is the only one who knows if it is fact or fiction I take him on his word for his lovely experience and don't speculate as well as I appreciate his courage to come out and write his feelings as he observed although many on the Chowk may not appreciate his unbiased article as each individual has a different angle as to how they perceive while my in my perception Aatif has done a great service by his article and I request you to continue to write with the same true spirits as you didregardless of how bad some people feel your appreciation of your brief encounter with Karachi.

The word is "chaste" Urdu -- for a permanently promiscuous -- belovedly bastardized -- the hardest to tame -- the sinuously rythmic prancing 'raqqasaa' of the unique -- one of the kind genre called the Ghazal -- Urdu -- the apple of my eyes!

"Muddat hooee hai yar ko mehmaN kiyay hooway"

Re: # 59
Ahaan! windows that are framed elsewhere other than a PC, I cant think of broken windows or I wont be able to reach out to the lovely gang at Chowk

"I could hear urdu with proper diction. This was a pleasant change from the punjabized urdu you hear in Lahore, the pothwarized urdu you hear in Pindi and the englishized urdu you hear in Islamabad. Secondly, I spotted real sindhis talking in their beautiful sounding language. This was again a pleasant change from the pseudo-sindhis like Bilawal, BB, and Zardari types you see in Islamabad."

"real Urdu" -- "real Sindhi" -- you sure are a purist fascist in a Land of mixed breed called the Land of Pure.


MiaN -- purity like pure ugliness is only in the eyes of the beholder.

Why Atif, why?!! Why did you write this piece? Why? Isn't there enough hatred towards Mohajirs that you had to further paint a nice BIG bulls-eye on them?

In your next article, bad mouth Mohajirs like nobody's business. I implore you.

Atif my dear,

I do not wish you to start having doubts regarding the exclusivity of Pakistan and its denizens, but I am personally aware of the so-called "attendants" in the bathrooms of Indira Gandhi International airport controlling the toilet rolls and offering individual squares of the same to (sometimes desperately) needy users while uttering the takia-qualam:

"Dollar de do!"

I was thinking...

If one does have a bunch of dollar bills handy, won't it be more efficient to use those directly, instead of going through the needless two-stage conversion process.

After all, either way, the end results are the same!

#71, Sorry! Wrong board again - even the apology about the wrong board landed on the wrong board. Kaheen pay nigaahen kaheen pe nishaana.

#56 Atif {"Zeemax / Salim - I think I have lost you guys in this cryptic talk of chains and necklaces. But "jeweler by copulation" is an interesting term."}

Teefay,
While you were enjoying the First Class lounge at Quaid-e-Azam International, some of us were busy counting Zeemux's beads as he was passing them out to every Radha, Usha, and Pooja. :) Then we found out that the free gold necklaces were neither real nor free.

#85, My apologies - wrong board. Please carry on. Ghol Makhora.

atif ..this is wat i m talkin about...its just a matter of what u mix in rooh afza....it doesnt matter whether its dhayi or neembu (not chowk's, the kosher kind) its rooh afza all the same.

atif: Hamidm chacha will bring the finest moonshine from Boondocks, Michigan. DM chacha will bring the lassi. We'll have so much fun..

chacha #65 "when inviting guests to your rooh afza party, you may wish to stop referring to "mohajirs" as an ethnicity."

well, other than mirzaees calling themselves muslims, i am not too concerned about what any group wishes to refer to themselves as. i once made a mistake of referring to a very namkeen looking saraiki girl as "punjabi". once she was done uttering choice epithets for punjabis, i immediately accepted her demand that saraikis were NOT punjabis and offered to write “siraikis are not Punjabis” a 100 times in my diary.

so yeah, if a group likes to be called "mohajirs", I am ok with that. if tomorrow they wish to be called "ansaars", i am A-OK with that too.

as for the open house rooh afza party, lets make it a BYOJ (bring your own jug). perhaps karachiites will mix lemon in it, and lahoris will make it with milk. either way, it will be win win situation.

talented nephew atif: gibberish never helps. Try again.