Chasing a Mirage: The Tragic Illusion of an Islamic State

Tahir Qazi has a done a good book review. This book is a very good and effective addition to the collection of books and essays on this subject.

The time is not far away when extremist Muslims will realize (or will be made to realize), what damage they have done to the religion itself as well as the civil society.

Religion and public policy can never go together, particularly Islam with its 72 (or 74?) interpretations, hearsay, appendices, screwed up treatises and historical burden is an anti-thesis of each other.

Ref akcheema #3

[Parthab mian,

just what the hell is wrong with you???]

He doesn't know what to make of your article since there is no standard Marxist-Leninist crap he can spout off!

Re: # 18

P.S: the purpose of this post is to get views on the subject and NOT to insult individuals, including Iqbal. I have my own interpretation of him and will be happy to share when others have contributed their thoughts..

Thanks

Re: # 9; Tahir sahib,
"There goes Allama Iqbal out of the window..."

I wish someone could elaborate here what Iqbal's message exactly is; what his 'philosophy - if it can be called that' is and whether it is really something new that hadn't been said before

or are we talking about the re-cycled 'ghazzali' with a bit os 'averroes' (complete opposites in reality); with a rejection of 'priesthood' but almost deifying 'Rumi' on the other hand....talks of "Israr-e-khudi" followed almost immediately by "Rumuz-e-bekhudi" cnd countless similar examples with almost complete contradictions (from his poetry) to what he said in the "Re-contruction.." lectures and in fact in his PhD thesis titled "Development of metaphysics in Persia"..

Please also drop the patronisation as well and the age old cliche that 'you can't understand this as you are not mature enough' etc and formulate your answers based on knowledge and logical discussions rather than personal insults

Not to mention so many contradictions in his daily personal life too...I won't go into details and please don't 'derail' my query by asking me to cite them either

I'd be interested to learn of some explanations from the learned here....anyone....I shall remain out of it myself as I am more interested in what 'others' think

also one important thing to highlight here; it is often said that when Iqbal started out as a poet and frequently expressed himself in terms of an Indian Nationalist; then he changed his mind....at one point he was very dazzled by the "west" too...then he took up the opposite position by expressing some "alternative" in his poetry etc...question that begs an answer here is what to do with individuals who happen to be in the 'in between - twilight zone' especially when we get our long-desired Islamic Kingdom of God; if they are dis-illusioned by their faith system/culture etc and have openly expressed discontent, do we class them as 'ex-communicados' and reject what they have to say? only to turn around later when they have been around the block and decided to revert back to the 'original' nonsense and re-packaged it differently - to appease our 'communal' likes and dis-likes because at that point it happens to suit our needs....

as before, in the absence of a 'concrete and thought through' response, I'd be inclined to accept the default position as apparent to me and several others

Kind Regards

WHAT A SHAME!!
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Born in Karachi, Pakistan, Fatah was a student leftist-radical in the 1960s and 1970s. A biochemist by training, Fatah entered journalism as a reporter for the Karachi Sun in 1970, and was an investigative journalist for Pakistani Television.

Fatah is the author of Chasing a Mirage: The Tragic Illusion of an Islamic State, published by John Wiley & Sons in April 2008. In the book Fatah challenges the notion that the establishment of an Islamic state is a necessary prerequisite to entering the state of Islam. He suggests that the idea of an Islamic state is merely a mirage that Muslims have been made to chase for over a millennium.

Re: # 2
What is OIC? Is it OH, I, See.."

Kamath

Re: # 2
What is OIC? Is it OH, I, See.."

Kamath

What are all these liberated educated HUMANISTS doing in Canada? Listen to how Tarek goes against Qur'anic teachings!
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Tare k Fatah stated that "The issue that has resulted in all the threats and allegations against us is our support for same-sex marriage. It's the central point on which the Muslim Canadian Congress and I have faced outright hostility, verging on violence. There is near unanimity in any religious group that this is the ultimate sin and, for them, this amounts to the ultimate betrayal." Regarding Islam and homosexuality, Fatah stated that "Our human rights cannot revolve around religion. It's not about our rights, it's about human rights.'

What are all these liberated educated HUMANISTS doing in Canada? Listen to how Tarek goes against Qur'anic teachings!
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Tare k Fatah stated that "The issue that has resulted in all the threats and allegations against us is our support for same-sex marriage. It's the central point on which the Muslim Canadian Congress and I have faced outright hostility, verging on violence. There is near unanimity in any religious group that this is the ultimate sin and, for them, this amounts to the ultimate betrayal." Regarding Islam and homosexuality, Fatah stated that "Our human rights cannot revolve around religion. It's not about our rights, it's about human rights.'

"Tarek Fatah’s book is a good attempt to start dialogue in the ideological world. It is also a dream for a better world that is free of friction among various ideologies."

Who ARE you (really) my namesake? And why are you promoting the MMC?

As long as there are human beings on the planet, to think that poverty will end or there will remain no friction is living in a fool's paradise. The TEST is to remain steadfast, oppose evil and promote what Allah commands us.

Clear?

One may as well shut down all mosques! These lunatics have no idea what multi-purpose buildings the mosques of the Prophet's time were!
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Keep politics out of our mosques: Muslims cannot sit still while a fascist cult of Islamic supremacy takes over places of worship
by Tarek Fatah

Three years ago when Kuwaiti Islamist scholar Tareq Al Suwaidian told a Toronto crowd that "Western civilization is rotten from within and nearing collapse ... it (the West) will continue to grow until an outside force hits it and you will be surprised at how quickly it falls," he was lustily cheered by the nearly 2,000 young Muslim men and women.

I was deeply offended by the hostile remark, but the thunderous approving applause of the young audience simply stunned me. All I could do was muster the courage and stage a polite walkout.

That day I resolved to fight this hostility toward the modern nation-state and Western civilization that was engulfing a section of Canadian Muslim youth; one that was being fanned by the leadership of the traditional Muslim organizations and Islamic radicals who took inspiration from the ruling elites of Iran and Saudi Arabia.

One may as well allow these satans to utter anything in the name of art and freedom of speech! I have read the Satanic Verses and know what filth it is. These rats must live scared like rats; no need to issue fatwas! Allah will deal with them...
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Britain isn't worthy of Rushdie
Tarek Fatah
National Post, Toronto

Sunday, Oct. 1, 1989 was a typically chilly morning in London. That did not dampen the enthusiasm of thousands of angry British Muslims who were heading toward the Royal Albert Hall to hear a South African orator, Ahmed Deedat, rip into Salman Rushdie for writing The Satanic Verses.

Nearly 6,000 men, some bussed in from as far as Birmingham, jammed the hall. What happened at the start of the event tells us a lot about the Rushdie saga, which it seems, will not die until the man they now call Sir Salman is sent to his death.

The first speaker read a piece from Rushdie¹s Satanic Verses and asked The audience how many were familiar with that passage or had read the book. Only one person raised his hand. One man out of 6,000! They had come to demand the banning of The Satanic Verses, but had not read the book.

That has been the story of the Rushdie affair for the last 18 years. If Rushdie had intended to defame Islam, his naysayers have helped him do so.

"To fight extremism, Muslim leaders must emphasize the seperation of religion and politics," says Salma Siddiqui of MMC!

There goes Allama Iqbal out of the window...

Don't we all laaaahve Taslima Nasrin??
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August 14, 2007
Criminalize Allegations of Apostasy

MCC condemns attack on Bangladeshi writer, Taslima Nasrin
TORONTO - The Muslim Canadian Congress has reiterated its demand that the Canadian government consider criminalizing accusations of apostasy and blasphemy often levelled by Islamists against their Muslim critics.

The MCC was reacting to the attack on Bangladeshi writer Taslima Nasrin by Islamist Indian legislators last week. The exiled Bangladeshi writer was physically attacked at a press conference and later accused of being an apostate and thus worthy of death.

Akbar Hussain, a director of the MCC said, "This behaviour is unacceptable. The Indian authorities must exercise tighter control to prevent such mob politics from threatening or causing bodily harm to people who hold divergent views. This is against the principle of freedom of expression which a secular democracy like India must uphold."

Click here to read the full statement.
http://www.muslimcanadiancongress.org/20070811.html

Tarek Fatah of MMC !!!

January 29, 2008

So-called Sharia Mortgages are a Deception: MCC asks CMHC to drop $100,000 study to introduce Islamic banking in Canada

TORONTO - The Muslim Canadian Congress (MCC) has asked the Canadian Mortgage and Housing Corporation (CMHC) to abandon its $100,000 study to introduce so-called Islamic Banking in Canada, saying there should be no room in Canada for Saudi inspired Islamist political doctrines dressed up as innocuous religious requirements.

In a letter to Karen Kinsley, Chief Executive Officer of the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corporation, the president of the Muslim Canadian Congress Farzana Hassan said, "Islamic Banking is nothing more than an attempt by Islamists, with backing from Middle Eastern Financial Institutions and their Western partners, to scare Muslim Canadians into believing that they should pay more to the banks and demand less in return as an act of religiosity. "

Read all at http://www.muslimcanadiancongress.org/20080129.html

Parthaab mian appears on every Indian site complaining about Indian women, occasionally claiming Russian and Chinese women are better...etc etc. He has now merely expanded his horizons to South Asia. He is not on chowk to read any articles but to post these anti-women posts. Now that I've told you, please go back to ignoring him. Thanks.