Chasing a Mirage: The Tragic Illusion of an Islamic State

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But I really don't think Taliban has any designs on the settled areas of NWFP. They only want the Federal and the Provincial tribal areas, and they have already got them except Parachinar. They will fight for that, not Peshawar.

#50 Posted by hamidm2,

"...said on a TV channel last week that he perceived a siege of the city of Peshawar in the rise of Mangal Bagh in Khyber. In the war that is coming to Peshawar the Barelvi-Sunni elements among the Pakhtuns are in the cross-hairs of the Taliban. The Barelvis are being constantly defeated in Khyber just because the Pakhtuns in the NWFP are overwhelmingly Deobandi. If Pakistan allows this to go on, the consequences would be devastating."

Mashallah! Godspeed to them. I hope they get these Verkotey Angraiz the sooner the better.

BTW, siege of Peshawar is now complete. Peswhawar is now surrounded by three sides by full Taliban control. Khyber Agency on the Jamrud side, Landi Kotal on the Kohat side, and Malakand on the Mardan side. Only the Nowshera side is still open which will soon be cut by the Malakand/Dir walaas.

And then - Maujaan hi Maujaan!

hamidm: And how exactly do you determine what is being practiced? Do you seriously think that muslim societies are any different from any other human societies with similar per capita incomes and education levels? This is the obvious implication of what you say.

And the above implication of what you say is as irrational and as unrealistic as your glorifying of shameless lawbreakers and their lotas in Pakistan while sniffing upon the "droopy eyed chief justice" who has turned the tables on musharraf through sheer personal courage and commitment to the rule of law.

zeemax mian,

... contrary to tahmed's fairytale version, i have always maintained that islam is what is being practised ..... and since the book of islamic rhetoric is written in gibberish it is open to all sorts of conflicting interpretations ..... throw in the hadith and other folklore and you have a bigger mess ..... at present deobandi islam supported by saudi money seems to be the dominant view, but i am hopeful that one of these days the more benign ahmedi and naqshbandi views will prevail ....... unless your people kill all of them :


The ex-chief secretary of the NWFP, Mr Khalid Aziz, heading a study of the Taliban phenomenon, said on a TV channel last week that he perceived a siege of the city of Peshawar in the rise of Mangal Bagh in Khyber. In the war that is coming to Peshawar the Barelvi-Sunni elements among the Pakhtuns are in the cross-hairs of the Taliban. The Barelvis are being constantly defeated in Khyber just because the Pakhtuns in the NWFP are overwhelmingly Deobandi. If Pakistan allows this to go on, the consequences would be devastating.

cheema sahib: while not questioning your scholarship of arabic, but like I said that is irrelevant to the point I am making.

I see your emotional attachment to your views overrides even the stratospheric heights of your intellect. And the more is the pity..

Re: # 47; tahmed sahib

it is "darknesses" not simply "darkness"

'Zulmat' in arabic means darkness and the plural is 'zulmaat'

thought should clarify.....btw I do speak a fair bit of arabic and do at times read the "arabic counterpart of Iliad and Odyssey" in its original language

I have nothing more to say on the subject........I do still like you as a person tahmed sahib.....you are much better that what passes for humanity on this site

Khuda Hafiz

#35 cheema sahib: That post is so absurd sir that i am surprised it has passed chowk's strict standards, as peon sahib would say.

So what if the precise translation is "darkness" - he is still referring to the Atlantic Ocean? And specifically, glorifying the early muslim conquests.

Your ignoring the main point and throwing a diddly little red herring instead simply confirms the validity of what I wrote, which was: Iqbal's Islam which glorified religious wars vs the true Islam, which obviously is as presented in the Quran, and which calls for mankind to desist from fighting over religion.

#42 Posted by hamidm2,

Haha ... if some pathans practice buggery (both with men AND women BTW) that means Islam permits homo geeri ...

Yaar you have been on a fast slide to the South recently, I have noticed. You always were much smarter than your current posts.

Re: # 44; zeemax

i was referring to the books.....get off the net...and off chowk for once and READ .....you might learn something

#41 Posted by akcheema,

Thanks for the recommendation but I have already seen the chapter of Incoherence of Incoherence in the Murtids for Dummies.

Re: # 41

correction....Averroes (Ibn-e-Rushd)....

Books are:

"Tahafut-al-Falasifah".....by Ghazzali and
"Tahafut-at-Tahafut".......by Ibn-e-Rushd

simply neo-platonic way of thinking that Ibn-e-Rushd refined from 'his' pov and Iqbal replicated 'wherever' he did...

sorry just wanted to elaborate my point, still no intention to have a dialogue with you....just no point

still awaiting Tahir sahib's response

Khuda Hafiz

Re: # 38

zeemax,

..... i stand by my statement that islam permits homosexuality ..... at least in afghanistan and in the afterlife - which makes me think that the afterlife will be like life in afghanistan !

...... most pathans are not homosexuals, but they see nothing wrong with homosexuality and are simply bisexaul - it is part of their islam ..... i am sure that you know that babur, inspite of all the women he had, loved only baburi - a boy ........ i have also heard that homsexuality is rampant in al-lah's kingdom of saudi arabia, not because the men are homosexuals, but simply because they don't have any access to women ..... and over time this behavior becomes acceptable without people fessing up to it ........ the most virulent opponents of homosexuality are closet homos like the catholic priests, evangelical ministers, edgar j hoover, prophets and our own mullahs .......

..... having said that i don't think there is anything wrong with homoism and remain an ardent supporter of gay rights ....

Re: # 40; zeemax
"However, just to inform you these are not unanswered, Iabal's philosophy was a progression of existentialism into one which included a God"

last word...this was already well established especially through the works of Averroes (Ibn-e-rush).....read "Incoherence of Incoherence" which was written in response to Ghazzali's "Incoherence of the Philosophers"

take care....I have heard enough on the subject..but thanks for the effort nevertheless

#32 Posted by akcheema,

I wonder what Iqbal stood for? What is the 'essence' of "Iqbalian philosophy"? Questions that, for the time being remain unanswered.

If these remain unanswered for you, is because that's how it was meant to be.

However, just to inform you these are not unanswered, Iabal's philosophy was a progression of existentialism into one which included a God, and made a perfect coherence between the two, and having done all that found the same had existed in the Qura'an all the time.

Now you can go back to your Archie comics please.

#22 Posted by hamidm2,

..... maybe somone can explain in plain english (or urdu) why we worship him .....

hamidm Mian, you don't have to worship anything because you are an avowed murtid. You can perhaps worship your ham sandwich or an intrauterine prophylactics from the toiletry supplies.

#14 Posted by tahir,

Would you believe hamidm2 saheb actually said Islam permits homosexuality on the Kabul board?

And even more amazingly there's at-least one respected interactor (dost-mittar) who believes hamidm knows a lot about Islam.