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Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice

William Dalrymple May 21, 2008

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#344 Posted by pakistan3 on May 25, 2008 8:21:45 pm
Re: # 342

Zeena,

I read your post. In that case, we are both in it together.

Thumbs up to you and Good Luck

We'll keep trying to do our bit on the "inside" as it were

and Khuda Hafiz to you to
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#343 Posted by harish_hyd on May 25, 2008 8:18:24 pm
#341 by majumdar

Mosquitoes breed wherever there is greenry and water, so I dont see why they could not have bred in AKP.

The presence (or the lack thereof) of mosquitoes is more dependent on the maintenance and less on greenery and water. Majumdar bhai, when you're in Hyderabad the next time, I'll take you to some eateries on the Necklace Road by the Hussain Sagar lake, one of the filthiest water bodies I've ever seen. You will be surprised.
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#342 Posted by Zeena on May 25, 2008 8:14:56 pm
Re:[[I respect you simply for your love for the country that you voluntarily left that still haunts your imagination. At least that is something we have in common.]]

Re:#330 pakistan3
No Sir that doesn't haunt me at all, because I didn't commit any crime. Rather that is the pride that I take because God has given me a chance to explore this world and to spread Pakistan's image infront of others in a positive way.

Ask those who feel NO Shame by living in Pakistan and looting poor Pakistanis money and sucking their blood with no guilt...........

Yes, those corrupt Politicians and army generals are real leaches living in Pakistan and scucking the last drop of poors.....

I am proud to live abroad that has made me a strong person mentally to combat all this nonsense that's going on in current Pakistan.....I can see clearly what you're unable to see.

But, let me borrow you my eyes and heart and then you'll be able to see what your eyes with bias are unable to see and you'll be able to feel what your stoned heart with darkness is unable to feel.
bye and Khuda Hafiz
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#341 Posted by majumdar on May 25, 2008 8:10:09 pm
Harishbhai,

Mosquitoes breed wherever there is greenry and water, so I dont see why they could not have bred in AKP.

Regards
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#340 Posted by harish_hyd on May 25, 2008 7:59:26 pm
#338 by majumdar

'Cos she was denied penicillin by MKG, not by the Brits.

Majumdar bhai, please stop mixing up issues. MKG's penchant for nature cure is a whole different story, perhaps for another occasion.

I have twice contracted malaria myself although I have never lived in slums (or Aga Khan's palace for that matter).

If your home was anywhere comparable to the AKP as per Yasser's (and your own) claim, perhaps you wouldn't have contracted it.
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#339 Posted by majumdar on May 25, 2008 7:53:56 pm
Arjun mian,

Had Godse not whacked the G-man, maybe the movie never would have got started!!!

Regards
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#338 Posted by majumdar on May 25, 2008 7:52:07 pm
Harishbhai,

(The fact that his wife died)

'Cos she was denied penicillin by MKG, not by the Brits.

(afflicted with malaria (a disease more likely to inflict those living in filthy slums)

I have twice contracted malaria myself although I have never lived in slums (or Aga Khan's palace for that matter).

Regards
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#337 Posted by _arjun2 on May 25, 2008 7:40:48 pm
he he he...

18,500 Pakistanis deprived of billions


NEW DELHI, May 25: About 18,560 Pakistanis have been deprived of billions of rupees accumulated on returns of shares in Indian firms they had bought before 1965.

India seized the shares bought by Pakistanis in 558 Indian companies after the 1965 war. These shares are lying with the Office of Custodians of Enemy Properties under the Indian Ministry of Home Affairs following a notification issued by the government in 1968.

The Indian government is undecided about the fate of these shares.

Media reports, citing the record of the department, said that the capitalised amount of five shareholders in Indian companies was about Rs109.6 billion. These companies are the high-profile Indian entities such as Wipro, Cipla, five companies of the Tata group, ACC and three companies of the DCM group.

Similarly, two Pakistani stakeholders have 10 million shares of Wipro, the world’s largest independent R&D services provider, valued at about Rs50.4 billion. Thirty-four Pakistanis have shares in pharmaceutical major Cipla worth Rs48.2 billion.

In four companies of Tata Motors, Tata Power, Tata Steel, Tata Chemicals and Tata Coffee, Pakistanis have shares worth Rs48 million.

Pakistanis invested in Indian companies including Hindustan Unilever, ITC DLF, Bajaj Electricals, CSCE, Reliance energies, EIH, Aditya Birla, Nuvo, India Cement, Dalmia Cement and Ballarpur Industries before 1965.

According to an assessment of the custodian office, the value of the shares owned by Pakistanis in the listed 45 Indian companies is Rs18 billion.

Indian newspaper the Economic Times contested the figures of the custodian department and said that Pakistanis had far more shares in the companies than revealed by the department.

The custodians have recorded 1.6 million Pakistani shares in Wipro. But, the company sources say there are 10 million Pakistani shares.

Similarly, there are 23 million shares of Pakistanis in Cipla, but the department has recorded only 1.1 million shares, the paper said.—APP
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#336 Posted by _arjun2 on May 25, 2008 7:39:06 pm
i?
the foolish act of assasinating him.


foolish why? I think it was a good thing..if godse hadn't whacked gandhi, the most fucking boring movie in the world would never have ended...
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#335 Posted by harish_hyd on May 25, 2008 7:25:48 pm
#252 by MantoLives

And mind you ... I only came in after Harish mian claimed that he had never heard of Aga Khan's palace being the place of Gandhi's incarceration which it certainly was.

Yasser mian, now your dishonesty is really shining through. First of all, I did not claim that Gandhi was never imprisoned at the Aga Khan palace. After all the debates we've had through the years where you made it a point to highlight this particular episode, it would be foolish of me to deny it outright. It is your own inadequate comprehension skills that you thought so. I was merely contesting your assumption that Gandhi by virtue of having been incarcerated there was treated like the Aga Khan himself would be. The fact that his wife died of and he himself was afflicted with malaria (a disease more likely to inflict those living in filthy slums) there belies your claim that he was accorded 5-star treatment there.

The bottom line is that you have been called on your claim that Gandhi was only imprisoned twice. The biggest and perhaps the unkindest slap would be the total refutation with proof of your claim that Gandhi was treated like a king at the AKP.
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#334 Posted by majumdar on May 25, 2008 7:24:40 pm
DM sahib,

(Why did he not go on a hunger strike at Rawalpindi) & ( but he certainly knew when his weapon of "maun-vrat" would work)

Had he tried the stunt in Pindi, the good Pindians would have put him on a permanent maun vrat.

(led one of them to the foolish act of assasinating him.)

Right. The assassination was worse than a crime, it was a blunder.

Regards



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#333 Posted by dost_mittar on May 25, 2008 9:15:03 am
Re#331:

I meant "marn vrat", not maun vrat.
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#332 Posted by dost_mittar on May 25, 2008 7:27:16 am
zeemax#328:

"Wasn't there the Evacuee Property distribution to immigrants in India? There was one in Pakistan and quite a fair one though it took more than a decade to finally settle."

Yes, there was, but it was merely an allocation of the evaquee property left by the Muslims, which was of much lower value than the property left by the Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan, both West and East. There was no transfer of the net balance from Pakistan to India. This is why the Hindus and Sikhs got only a fraction of what they left in Pakistan and your grandparents got a grand kothi in Lahore.


"And did India hand over any State assets as share to Pakistan? To my knowledge Pakistan just got whatever was on its soil and nothing else."

Yes, they did hand over (I think the sum was Rs. 55 crores)Pakistan's share of the assets after Gandhi went on a hunger strike in support of Pakistan. This was, in fact, the final straw that broke the Hindu patience with him and led one of them to the foolish act of assasinating him.
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#331 Posted by dost_mittar on May 25, 2008 7:15:55 am
bjkumar#326:

You did not address the questions that I had asked:
_Why did Gandhi not go on a hunger strike to prevent Muslim support for Pakistan, a stunt he was ready to perform at the drop of anyone's topee?

-Why did he not go on a hunger strike at Rawalpindi in March 1947 when the butchery in Punjab started (against Sikhs in particular) or Lahore later, but did so in Calcutta in August/September?

I did not say that he was dishonest, but he certainly knew when his weapon of "maun-vrat" would work and when it won't.

You asked:

"Even if we assume that by following Gandhiji, the Indian Hindus came out a cropper - well, WHY did they follow him anyway?!"

Because he spoke their language: Ram Rajya and his (false?) claim to follow the Bhagwat Geeta and his daily prarthanas at the Birla house.
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#330 Posted by pakistan3 on May 25, 2008 5:39:17 am
Re: # 327

Zeena,

If I remember correctly, last time I addressed you as 'behen ji'.

You don't know anything about me, what I do and how might I think I contribute positively to our beloved country so please don't go there.

As for my nic/name, with all due respect, many here do the same. Have you extended your opinion to nics like Zeemax, Golgfinger, HP and many others? So why pick on me?

I respect you simply for your love for the country that you voluntarily left that still haunts your imagination. At least that is something we have in common.

Regards
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#329 Posted by zeemax on May 25, 2008 1:28:31 am
... it took more than a decade to finally settle but possession was given almost immediately. Formal transfers took the time mentioned.

My own grandparents clan got a huge kothi of about two acres on prime property right opposite Ganga Ram Hospital on Mozang Road, in exchange for their Amritsar property. It is now split up and turned into office towers.
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