Fatima Bhutto Fighting for Justice

Its amazing .. Pakistanis are probably the only people in the world who actually campaign against their own well-being.

Zardaris a criminal..in the same way the sun rises in the east... there's no doubts and no arguments, thus anyone who supports his re-election is a criminal by default without much ambiguity at all.

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Theres only a few of them left .. the most dangerous being Zardari and his whelp... can some patriot please put them out of their misery..

Re: # 260

Masadi miaN, have you taken into account the possibility that Manto LIKES you - hence including your name?!!

Goldfinger writes " but no one came out on the streets or anything, particularly the so-called jiyalas of the ilk of Masadi "

Fool, there were violent protests after the Bhutto hanging, in Kashmir and in the mainland. Just because you happened to be a 20 year old chump and too blind to read the news or follow the facts, doesn't mean no protests occurred. Further I certainly am not a "jiyala". I write facts about the man which you counter with "he jetsetted around the globe" as rebuttal, needless to say, you're a certified fool...

Manto writes in 211 "Ok ladies and gentlemen... I am done here. I will leave it to Masadis and arjuns etc to fight it out for world domination on the internet."

Now was there any reason for including my name in this bs comment when I have not discussed a single thing with him on this thread. What does this tell you all: it tells the most mediocre of minds that this fool is afraid of my arguments against MAJ which he hasn't been able to counter to-date.

To his Ciao, i'd like to say, "good riddance to bad rubbish"...

Re: # 257

Ras sahib, your advice to Ms. Fatima Bhutto is well intentioned, of course, but most likely, she is about as likely to see it as Mr. Dalrymple is likely to come here and interact. :((

However, it is sensible advice. Politics is dirty business. Its rough-and-tumble world is no place for young idealists which all poets (irrespective of age) are.

There is no reason to cast doubts on Mr. Dalrymple, though. He is not a player among this cast of characters. Come to think of it, even Fatima is an "outsider" - directly affected though she is.

Your advice to her to get married and have a family of her own is rather patronizing, though.

Has there been in Jinnah or Bhutoo family female named Ayesha?Does it say somthing ?

Fatima,

some advice from this "Old Uncle" who just means well.

You are young and idealistic (like your father).

It is time you got married and had a family of your own.

Ten years from now you will be needed by your country

and its people. Till then stay out of the way and continue

your writing.

Your Aunt, in spite of your family problems was not

responsible for your father's death. We do not know about

the rest.

In the mean time I do not know what "William Uncle" is up

to, but I would advise caution in the near future in

your media exposure. Patience is a virtue!

...and Manto miaN...

Your "friend" needs some English lessons because his(?) spelling is atrocious!

Re: # 243

[but as an old Indian friend wrote to me a few days ago:]

Manto miaN, be careful. A man is known by the books he reads and thhe friends he keeps. We already know you read Arthur Kemp, perhaps you have the wrong kind of (Indian) friends, too. :((

If it will help you, feel free to think Gandhi was treated like Queen Victoria in all the prisons he went, starting from 1908. And all the 2000+ days he spent in prison was like staying in a five star hotel.

All those days he was scheming to prevent Jinnah from being anointed as the only true statesman and visionary of South Asia..

:-)

Ciao... I'll see you champoos when I see you.

Re: # 251

And mind you ... I only came in after Harish mian claimed that he had never heard of Aga Khan's palace being the place of Gandhi's incarceration which it certainly was.

masanamuthu,

Like I said earlier... there was no debate on how many times Gandhi was arrested or had to pay a fine.

The discussion here was about conditions and treatment in incarceration. I knew of two incarcerations and they were in brilliant conditions ... for example the Aga Khan's palace... a full fledge doctor on call ... acres of land etc...

If you know of other incarcerations - which you certainly do- please enlighten us on the conditions of these incarcerations? Was Gandhi in solitary confinement like ZAB and Mandela? Was he tortured? Kicked around? Buggered?

I do acknowledge that you came up with one other bonafide incarceration

Oh.. comeon dude, I just provided the list. He has been arrested and jailed so many times. I provided the link too. you can go ahead and see for yourself.

May I remind again that this site is to discuss Miss Fatima Bhutto and has nothing whatsoever to do with Jinnah or Gandhi.

Thank you