William Dalrymple May 21, 2008
#113 Posted by majumdar on May 22, 2008 11:53:26 pm
Harishbhai,
people do know who to take seriously and who not to.
I will be surprised if anyone takes me seriously on chowk.
Regards
people do know who to take seriously and who not to.
I will be surprised if anyone takes me seriously on chowk.
Regards
#114 Posted by zeemax on May 22, 2008 11:54:46 pm
#95 Posted by ijaz_gul,
WAS ZARDARI INVOLVED?
The answer is no. Murtaza may or may not have had Zardari's moutache shaved off, and the vicious tussle over CM ship of Sindh and control over PPP is true, but Zardari just did not have the means to get Murtaza done-in by professional snipers in the manner he was. No doubt he would have if he could.
In my opinion, Murtaza was eliminated mainly because of Al-Zulfiqar's Indian connection. A week before his murder, there had been a bombing of the PIA Cargo office on Club Road and Al-Zulfiqar had been named. Police had arrested Murtaza's prrincipal lieutenant (Ali Sonara) and Murtaza had forcibly had him released and had slapped around the Police oficers. He was like that.
I think it was then decided to remove him because he was getting too aggressive and dangerous, and with plenty of potential for making serious trouble for the country's establishment.
WAS ZARDARI INVOLVED?
The answer is no. Murtaza may or may not have had Zardari's moutache shaved off, and the vicious tussle over CM ship of Sindh and control over PPP is true, but Zardari just did not have the means to get Murtaza done-in by professional snipers in the manner he was. No doubt he would have if he could.
In my opinion, Murtaza was eliminated mainly because of Al-Zulfiqar's Indian connection. A week before his murder, there had been a bombing of the PIA Cargo office on Club Road and Al-Zulfiqar had been named. Police had arrested Murtaza's prrincipal lieutenant (Ali Sonara) and Murtaza had forcibly had him released and had slapped around the Police oficers. He was like that.
I think it was then decided to remove him because he was getting too aggressive and dangerous, and with plenty of potential for making serious trouble for the country's establishment.
#115 Posted by harish_hyd on May 22, 2008 11:56:16 pm
#113 by majumdar
people do know who to take seriously and who not to.
Now you're being too modest Majumdar bhai :-)
people do know who to take seriously and who not to.
Now you're being too modest Majumdar bhai :-)
#116 Posted by ana on May 22, 2008 11:57:23 pm
I, for one, can't take majumdar seriously. Especially when he makes remarks like it was just that no one lifted a finger to save Bhutto's life. *rolling eyes ikaan*
#117 Posted by HP on May 22, 2008 11:57:47 pm
#95 Posted by ijaz_gul
“He has made too many brothers outside his family and yet ignores the immediate Bhutto clan.”
Bhutto family has lots of problems. After ZAB’s death, it was just a dysfunctional family that despite the public façade was knee deep in squabbling from petty issues to some major issues like the equitable distribution of the property. This curse of the property wrestling is something no property owning Sindhi family can escape. Zardari has no choice. He can’t resolve the Bhutto family problems. Everyone knows that he is not liked by the other Bhuttos.
Politicians waffle and change positions based on which way the wind is blowing or where the pressure is coming from. Zardari thinks he is a master negotiator and Benazir often took him to task when she was the PM and he tried to pull some deals to help her.
Benazir’s murder is not some mystery. Evidence is pretty much right in front of you but billi kay gallay main ghanti koon bandhay Gaa!
Liaquat Ali Khan was murdered too and his wife had a clear idea who was behind his murder but she never said a word…Like her, Zardari is not looking forward to meet his spouse so early. I seriously doubt that he could possibly be involved but he has accepted that as fait accompli.
“He has made too many brothers outside his family and yet ignores the immediate Bhutto clan.”
Bhutto family has lots of problems. After ZAB’s death, it was just a dysfunctional family that despite the public façade was knee deep in squabbling from petty issues to some major issues like the equitable distribution of the property. This curse of the property wrestling is something no property owning Sindhi family can escape. Zardari has no choice. He can’t resolve the Bhutto family problems. Everyone knows that he is not liked by the other Bhuttos.
Politicians waffle and change positions based on which way the wind is blowing or where the pressure is coming from. Zardari thinks he is a master negotiator and Benazir often took him to task when she was the PM and he tried to pull some deals to help her.
Benazir’s murder is not some mystery. Evidence is pretty much right in front of you but billi kay gallay main ghanti koon bandhay Gaa!
Liaquat Ali Khan was murdered too and his wife had a clear idea who was behind his murder but she never said a word…Like her, Zardari is not looking forward to meet his spouse so early. I seriously doubt that he could possibly be involved but he has accepted that as fait accompli.
#118 Posted by Zeena on May 23, 2008 12:04:33 am
My Dear Quaid-e-Azam
I am ashamed, embarrassed,sad, broken hearted, hurt and in despair in front of your picture which is hanging in my study.
I have these tears of shame b/c I left my country, Pakistan.
Because I couldn't fight those demons who're damaging Pakistan....now, this biggest demon, called Zardari with Musharaf is trying to loot Pakistan for their unlimited dirty desires of controlling poor masses....
You must be sad to see Zardari,deciding Pakistan's fate....This is sick and sad...
Zardari needs to be butchered like this man has butchered hundreds of innocent Pakistanis...........
#119 Posted by MantoLives on May 23, 2008 12:05:43 am
I really dont want to get involved in a discussion that consists mainly and chiefly of losers of all varieties... but since my name is being thrown about...
However Gandhi's world famous incarceration (1942-1944) was in Aga Khan's palace and it is a fact. India even promotes Aga Khan's palace in Pune as a tourist destination:
http://www.pune.org.uk/tourist-attractions/aga-khan-palace.html
Suffice to say it was not in 4 by 3 cell for 27 years like Nelson Mandela for example in an apartheid based racist society (which ironically Gandhi upheld)...
However Gandhi's world famous incarceration (1942-1944) was in Aga Khan's palace and it is a fact. India even promotes Aga Khan's palace in Pune as a tourist destination:
http://www.pune.org.uk/tourist-attractions/aga-khan-palace.html
Suffice to say it was not in 4 by 3 cell for 27 years like Nelson Mandela for example in an apartheid based racist society (which ironically Gandhi upheld)...
#120 Posted by MantoLives on May 23, 2008 12:06:18 am
Also this:
http://www.mapsofindia.com/pune/places-of-interest/famous-monuments/aga -khan-palace.html
http://www.mapsofindia.com/pune/places-of-interest/famous-monuments/aga -khan-palace.html
#121 Posted by HP on May 23, 2008 12:06:22 am
#114 Posted by zeemax
"Murtaza was eliminated mainly because of Al-Zulfiqar's Indian connection."
This is just ridiculeous!
"I think it was then decided to remove him because he was getting too aggressive and dangerous, and with plenty of potential for making serious trouble for the country's establishment."
This looks much better. Some claim that he only came back to Pakistan after making a deal with the agencies or the ISI. He was a hothead and thought he was the PM and treated many people like sht.No one wanted another ZAB in progress!
"Murtaza was eliminated mainly because of Al-Zulfiqar's Indian connection."
This is just ridiculeous!
"I think it was then decided to remove him because he was getting too aggressive and dangerous, and with plenty of potential for making serious trouble for the country's establishment."
This looks much better. Some claim that he only came back to Pakistan after making a deal with the agencies or the ISI. He was a hothead and thought he was the PM and treated many people like sht.No one wanted another ZAB in progress!
#122 Posted by majumdar on May 23, 2008 12:09:26 am
Ana,
Considering that ZAB was Qaid-e-Awam was there any great public upsurge to prevent his hanging? Or a great deal of protest at his death?
Regards
Considering that ZAB was Qaid-e-Awam was there any great public upsurge to prevent his hanging? Or a great deal of protest at his death?
Regards
#123 Posted by HP on May 23, 2008 12:13:41 am
#122 Posted by majumdar
what you don't know, you don't know. You have never lived in Pakistan, you don't know anything abt the country besides what you read in that shitty Daily times and still insist that there was no protest.
Dada, it is not a good idea to comment on things you have no knowledge abt.
Thanks.
what you don't know, you don't know. You have never lived in Pakistan, you don't know anything abt the country besides what you read in that shitty Daily times and still insist that there was no protest.
Dada, it is not a good idea to comment on things you have no knowledge abt.
Thanks.
#124 Posted by pakistan3 on May 23, 2008 12:18:11 am
Re: # 118 & 119
Zeena,
(I am ashamed, embarrassed,sad, broken hearted, hurt and in despair in front of your picture which is hanging in my study.I have these tears of shame b/c I left my country, Pakistan)
yes you should be.
(You must be sad to see Zardari,deciding Pakistan's fate....This is sick and sad...)
I am sure he is
(Zardari needs to be butchered like this man has butchered hundreds of innocent Pakistanis...........)
No one needs to be butchered just because you say so. Enough butchering has gone on already
MantoLives,
You are right about the losers. Every single one of them
Majority of these losers live overseas and talk about Pakistan as if it is their "baap ki jageer".
Regards
Zeena,
(I am ashamed, embarrassed,sad, broken hearted, hurt and in despair in front of your picture which is hanging in my study.I have these tears of shame b/c I left my country, Pakistan)
yes you should be.
(You must be sad to see Zardari,deciding Pakistan's fate....This is sick and sad...)
I am sure he is
(Zardari needs to be butchered like this man has butchered hundreds of innocent Pakistanis...........)
No one needs to be butchered just because you say so. Enough butchering has gone on already
MantoLives,
You are right about the losers. Every single one of them
Majority of these losers live overseas and talk about Pakistan as if it is their "baap ki jageer".
Regards
#125 Posted by majumdar on May 23, 2008 12:18:15 am
HP sain,
Re: 123
I stand corrected. Thanks.
Regards
Re: 123
I stand corrected. Thanks.
Regards
#126 Posted by harish_hyd on May 23, 2008 12:19:54 am
#119 by MantoLives
However Gandhi's world famous incarceration (1942-1944) was in Aga Khan's palace and it is a fact.
Yasser yaar welcome back, even if briefly. Where have I even remotely suggested that Gandhi was never imprisoned at the Aga Khan palace? I'm totally baffled and if you can point it out, I will be grateful. It is with regard to his being treated as a king that I questioned Majumdar bhai now and you earlier.
And in a long political career spanning almost 4 decades and comprising of many prison stints, it is very clever of you to have taken just 2 years of his incarceration at the AKP and paint it as if that is the only place he was placed in. At least that is the impression Majumdar bhai seems to have gotten if we go by his post 97.
However Gandhi's world famous incarceration (1942-1944) was in Aga Khan's palace and it is a fact.
Yasser yaar welcome back, even if briefly. Where have I even remotely suggested that Gandhi was never imprisoned at the Aga Khan palace? I'm totally baffled and if you can point it out, I will be grateful. It is with regard to his being treated as a king that I questioned Majumdar bhai now and you earlier.
And in a long political career spanning almost 4 decades and comprising of many prison stints, it is very clever of you to have taken just 2 years of his incarceration at the AKP and paint it as if that is the only place he was placed in. At least that is the impression Majumdar bhai seems to have gotten if we go by his post 97.
#127 Posted by pakistan3 on May 23, 2008 12:21:03 am
Re: # 123
HP,
what protests? I was a grown man then and donot recall any mass protests at the death of Bhutto Sahib.
You are the most misleading person I have come across on this site.
HP,
what protests? I was a grown man then and donot recall any mass protests at the death of Bhutto Sahib.
You are the most misleading person I have come across on this site.
#128 Posted by HP on May 23, 2008 12:24:00 am
#127 Posted by pakistan3
"what protests? I was a grown man"
You are still growing! When is Pakistan #3, Jinnahpur is expected?
"what protests? I was a grown man"
You are still growing! When is Pakistan #3, Jinnahpur is expected?
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