Zardari and the Politics of Defiance

"The reason Zardari has given for taking this about turn to confront the presidency is reflective of the mood of society. The fact that the people had made it clear to the PPP that, “We do not want bread, we do not want electricity, but we want him (Musharraf) out” had to be taken into account."

AZ needs to rethink the statement above. The people WANT
bread, they WANT electricity, they WANT water too, and as to Musharraf they are kind of ambivalent...

Ras

"Zardari has agreed to ‘oust’ Musharraf, claims Nawaz

LAHORE: PPP Co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari has agreed to expel President Pervez Musharraf from power, PML-N chief Nawaz Sharif said on Wednesday. “I have spoken with Zardari [in a meeting on Tuesday] that we should throw [Musharraf] out ... and he agreed to do so,” (News)

Zardari "agreed to do so" and you believed him -- what soft core naivity from a hard core politician like Nawaz Sharif sahib -- sir, -- the proof of the pudding is in eating -- the easiest way for Zardari sahib to oust Musharraf sahib will be to just restore CJ Iftikhar Chaudhry and do nothing else -- but will Zardari sahib do that -- I doubt it -- the "muraa hoowaa" Murree Accord -- should have opened your eyes Nawaz Sahib long ago!

Pleeze Nawaz Sahib don't put words in Zardari's forked tongue mouth -- let him talk from both corners of his mouth.

The more appropriate title of this article should be -- "Zardari and the Politics of Pliance".

The more appropriate title of this article should be -- "Zardari and the Politics of Plianc".

Sorry Pakis could not resist that crack

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correction #109, read "just as they encourage manipulations by the civilians into the military which in actuality is their own death warrant that they sign.."

as

"just as they encourage manipulations by the civilians into the military which in actuality results in the civilians signing their own death warrant

meaning they will now encourage the powerless Musharraf to do something that will result in his removal (and hopefully a public hanging where the crows are allowed to pick on his carcass)..

GEO had one thing correct, in the Mush and Bush cartoon where the fool sings to the bigger fool saying..."Bhoolega dil jis din tumhe Woh din zindagi ka aakhri din hoga... Kya hua tera waada ....

g'night

This is what I posted yesterday on this thread

#35 Posted by masadi on May 24, 2008 12:25:25 pm
The author writes "The reason Zardari has given for taking this about turn to confront the presidency is reflective of the mood of society."

Not the mood of society rather the mood of the "powers that be" who like I said want to incorporate the political into the power equation of the country moreso than the past, an establishmentized political institution that works and cooperates with the miltary but is not ousted by it. Together with this about turn comes the announcement that the US would prefer the ISI to work under the civilian government! This thug is manipulating on behalf of the US/Pak Army, Musharraf is a nobody now without Army and US support and if he goes it will be because he has lost it and that day, it seems, is coming. All of these manipulations are for the prime reason of not restoring the judiciary because that would be a step towards REAL democracy of which the US/Pak Army are mortally afraid. These manipulations want to coopt the people's movement led by the lawyers, they want to coopt the other welcome side effect, i.e. the personal enmity between the NS and Musharraf that is leading to postitive results for the judiciary, and they want to coopt the anti-military sentiments of the military. Zardari is an Army peon through and through, he should be ignored and the protests should continue...His confidence in his declaration comes from assurances from the devil, the US elite themselves and he has military support- and as we know BB's "confidence in the devil" ended with disaster, so will his and in all these manipulations, the people of Pakistan will emerge victorious, inshallah...

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Today we got the news about the Musharraf, Kiyani preceived fallout providing evidence regarding what I said. The US will gladly sacrifice that sob in the Army House (Musharraf) to salvage this new power equation they are constructing, one in which the military remains behind the scenes, and the people's sentiments are coopted. They will not risk damaging the pakistan military for Musharraf, and they will not tolerate any "real" democracy in Pakistan, therefore they are achieving a three pronged objective by these manipulations: i) salvaging the military ii) getting rid of someone hated by the people to coopt their (and NS's) emotions iii) preventing the restoration of the judges which will be a blow to the military and a foundation for the real democracy to take root in this country. Zardari's new-found b@lls are borrowed from the US/Pakistan Army, what I said yesterday and evidence for which emerged today...GEO commentators are dismissing this fallout but it is REAL in all probability and will be encouraged by the military itself to get rid of that sorry bas****, just as they encourage manipulations by the civilians into the military which in actuality is their own death warrant that they sign. The retired generals have ZERO role to play in all this, once the uniform goes the power goes and so does the institutional mindset that is why those fools are making big noise now...

Re: # 102
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_uCNdI0xJ1s

Rangeela is up there

Tahmed chachoo thanks for the link, in many ways the CJ is on the on the side of the angels, - whether that side can win or not is the real question. Angels dont have a good track record in politics.

Indiana flick was good, a little predictable though.

agreed. i need to be off to bed. good night.

Tahmed,
"his contempt for the "unwashed masses" is quite genuine"

I don't agree with you on that but on the other hand in Pakistani politics poor masses are just voters.


Okay I am tired of talking abt him behind his back..I would rather watch Rangeela!

HP #102 I dont think anyone with any sense would waste time listening to an individual (like Zardari in this case) who does not respect his own word. So, lets hope Hamidm doesnt do that.

cb #101 i hear it is a great movie. i plan to see it. right now i am listening to the Chief Justice's speech, delivered earlier today. i think every Pakistani should hear it. it's here:

http://pkpolitics.com/2008/05/24/chief-justice-to-faisalabad/#v8