The Emerging Threat

Hamidm

Dude, it's nice to be white, but don't be white-trash... that's who watch ice hockey... why would any regular person watch a "sport" like ice hockey?

#60 Posted by tahmed32 on June 6, 2008 8:22:08 am

you don't need to apologize...ALL your posts are the same self-righteous self-deluding BS anyway..

hamidm: can you ice-skate without landing on your butt every two minutes? somehow i have difficulty imagining you to be a genuine sports fan, and not merely applauding redwings so you can feel like a gora.

sorry for the same post being repeated in #57, #58, #59 below.

#50 leadenwinter: I think we are basically on the same page then.

You add: "I do not reject the rule of law by any means... I am only trying to explain to you what the rule of law actually is... "

I think by this you mean that you accept the principle of the rule of law but dont think Nawaz Sharif and others fighting for it have practiced it in the past. Agreed. But also note that Nawaz Sharif has acknowledged his past mistakes (which Zardari or BB, Altaf, Musharraf have not and continue to act as if they are God's gift to Pakistan). More important, Nawaz Sharif has proved a major source of strength for civil society fighting for the rule of law in Pakistan. So - tomorrow, even if Nawaz Sharif or any other politician breaks the law, with a strong and independent judiciary in place there would be institutional support for any individual challenging such actions.

Also note that it is because human beings are motivated too often by short-term personal gain that we need the rule of law. And the more imperfect you think it is, the more strongly you should be supporting this cause. Today there are 3000 "missing people" who have been basically kidnapped by Musharraf - most of them were from remote areas in Baluchistan and Frontier, so it did not affect people in cities. This kind of lawlessness is simply unacceptable in any civilized society.

#50 leadenwinter: I think we are basically on the same page then.

You add: "I do not reject the rule of law by any means... I am only trying to explain to you what the rule of law actually is... "

I think by this you mean that you accept the principle of the rule of law but dont think Nawaz Sharif and others fighting for it have practiced it in the past. Agreed. But also note that Nawaz Sharif has acknowledged his past mistakes (which Zardari or BB, Altaf, Musharraf have not and continue to act as if they are God's gift to Pakistan). More important, Nawaz Sharif has proved a major source of strength for civil society fighting for the rule of law in Pakistan. So - tomorrow, even if Nawaz Sharif or any other politician breaks the law, with a strong and independent judiciary in place there would be institutional support for any individual challenging such actions.

Also note that it is because human beings are motivated too often by short-term personal gain that we need the rule of law. And the more imperfect you think it is, the more strongly you should be supporting this cause. Today there are 3000 "missing people" who have been basically kidnapped by Musharraf - most of them were from remote areas in Baluchistan and Frontier, so it did not affect people in cities. This kind of lawlessness is simply unacceptable in any civilized society.

#50 leadenwinter: I think we are basically on the same page then.

You add: "I do not reject the rule of law by any means... I am only trying to explain to you what the rule of law actually is... "

I think by this you mean that you accept the principle of the rule of law but dont think Nawaz Sharif and others fighting for it have practiced it in the past. Agreed. But also note that Nawaz Sharif has acknowledged his past mistakes (which Zardari or BB, Altaf, Musharraf have not and continue to act as if they are God's gift to Pakistan). More important, Nawaz Sharif has proved a major source of strength for civil society fighting for the rule of law in Pakistan. So - tomorrow, even if Nawaz Sharif or any other politician breaks the law, with a strong and independent judiciary in place there would be institutional support for any individual challenging such actions.

Also note that it is because human beings are motivated too often by short-term personal gain that we need the rule of law. And the more imperfect you think it is, the more strongly you should be supporting this cause. Today there are 3000 "missing people" who have been basically kidnapped by Musharraf - most of them were from remote areas in Baluchistan and Frontier, so it did not affect people in cities. This kind of lawlessness is simply unacceptable in any civilized society.

Re: # 52

(Zee sahib lives in Pakistan, Karachi I think.)

God forbid! There is no need to curse Karachi.

Re: # 47

nasah mian,

..... i think you are wrong about the taliban turning women into prostitutes ....... that kind of thing does not float their boat - they are more interested in boys and sheep ....... the people of the tribal areas should be more concerned about their pre-pubescent sons and spring lamb .....

..... the redwings won the stanley cup and that is all that matters - we, the civilized people of the world, do not care what these barbarians do to each other and their domestic animals ....... it is a pity that in this day and age we still have folks who continue to live in the seventh century .... what is even more pitiful is tha fact that some 'educated' folks on this forum who drive around in mercedes slk's encourage these jackass riders ......... i wonder what motivates them ?

#52 Posted by majumdar,

Yaar these Verkotey Angraiz, like i said they only believe what they want to believe. They read Daily Times and say Taliban stopped medical services by women. Fact is, they NEVER prohibited nurses for female patients and that's a verifiable fact.

They did prohibit office jobs and teaching, which was totally unwarranted and attracted unnecessary flack from great female libbers like Bush & Company and their chelas. I think they learnt a lesson from that. E.g. Abdul Rashid Ghazi's wife is a doctor and drives to work.

#51 Posted by adamkhan,

I know Taliban, and I would prefer them anytime over you and your ilk.

Adam Khan sahib,

Zee sahib lives in Pakistan, Karachi I think.

Regards

Zeemax #46

lol... what social security system?!? you have been living in the west for too long... the only "social security" was to marry a mullah with a henna colored beard... many preferred begging to that...

In a country that was full of widows that policy of not allowing women to work had direct consequences for the children who were dependent on their mothers... I hope you do realize the importance of work as you have left your own country for that... and I hope you also know the difference between the services provided by a prostitute and a lady doctor, because your heroes the Taliban simply did not.

As for Pakistan being "different" well Mangal and Baitullah have the same plans for this country as far as women are concerned. I presume you will be moving back as soon as these guys take over Peshawar or the Taliban take over Kabul... right?

You misunderstand me.. By ethnicity I refer to me being Pakistani... which is a basis to my interest although I live abroad. I dont support the MQM and have always condemned them as wholeheartedly as anyone else for their regimen of organised terror.

I do not reject the rule of law by any means... I am only trying to explain to you what the rule of law actually is...

qibla leadenwater sahib#44 I am surprised that you are a lawyer, and yet reject the rule of law in favor of the "brute force" by a dictator. The cobbler's children do indeed go without shoes!

You say "other than my ethnicity and some desire for the welfare of the nation I have no vested interest in Pakistan".

You are welcome to your ethnicity", but remember that basic rights and the rule of law protects not just us evil panjabis and pathans and baluchis and sindhis - it protects every individual, regardless of ethnicity or any other consideration - and this includes your beloved "my ethnicity" members as well. That is why the rule of law is important.

What good is your legal training if you dont understand this simple point and continue to support a lawless ruler and a lawless group (mqm) simply on the basis of "ethnicity"?

#47,

I'm sorry if your walida mohtarma didn't get the social security benefit. Or was she the one who got shot in the head in that soccer field? Your venom would certainly indicate that.