Pakistan's Nuclear Test - Ten Years Later

Correction:
"I salute AAJ Tv and Talat Hussain for giving him almost 45 minutes to say what he wanted to say. Baloch need all the support they can."

Should be:

I salute AAJ Tv and Talat Hussain for giving him almost 45 minutes to say what he wanted to say. Baloch need all the support they can GET.

Yesterday for the first time they had a Baloch Nationalist on the National TV asking for the independence of Baluchistan.

Barhamdagh Bugti is Akber Bugti’s grandson and he has started a political party of his own. I am not sure how much support he has in Baluchistan but the idea that someone from Baluchistan can be on the National TV and speak his mind is the sign of the changing political landscape in Pakistan. You may not agree with what people say on TV but providing them the opportunity to express their opinions, even when they are asking for independence, is the right step for the freedom of speech needed in Pakistan.

I salute AAJ Tv and Talat Hussain for giving him almost 45 minutes to say what he wanted to say. Baloch need all the support they can. It is one nationality in Pakistan that has proportionally suffered more losses in human lives than the Bengalis did and they have been a target of the Pakistan army for such a long time that people have forgotten when was the last time there was no army action going on in Baluchistan.

Also yesterday, Pir Mazhar, the Sindh education minister announced that the core curriculum in Sindh school system will be changed to reflect the Sindhi values, culture and history. They will be removing all reference to the made up history in Pakistan. NO more religious history but the history of the people of Sindh and Pakistan. Not the alien Indian culture but the culture of Sindh will be promoted.

The stories would be about the Sindhi heroes who fought for the people against the Moghals and other foreign invaders, the People who lost their lives fighting against the British and the Pak army. People like GM Syed, Hosho Shedi, Nazir Abbasi, Ghansham Das and the thousands others that died in the army brigs or shot by the army for political dissent.

and everything will be great...

#370 Posted by tahmed32

My views on the Jihadi in Fata are well known and I have no sympathy for them but the US army in Pakistan should never be acceptable, no matter how bad the conditions are. The Pak army is already fighting a proxy war for the US in that area and for that; all Army Generals should be tried for treason including this new democrat Kiyani. (We do need to take his annoying toupee off his head first.)

Here is how I see what’s happening. The former generals are coming out to build pressure on the current Generals to counter the US support to Mush. The Army would never listen to the public demands alone but these former officers create the fault lines in the army due to their influence and connections with the serving officers. The disagreements within the army can be used to soften the current COAS position and give him some room to work with the US in removing Mush.

The US support of Mush was expected. Since the US has no support in any political party, America finds it hard to leave a vacuum at the top. With Mush, the US still has the ability to roll up the current parliament.

I agree with you that the former officers’ motives may not be altruistic. They have been let loose by forces that see no hope of the Mush issue and the Judges resolution by the Parliament. Zardari in his stupidity has rendered the Parliament ineffective. The rope in Pakistan is now very tight and Zardari is simply clueless.

If this idiot continues to obstruct the resolution in the Parliament, more and more people would take to the streets. That would be a dangerous situation as the risk of yet another Martial Law or a puppet government would increase manifold.

I think Pakistan is possibly headed for a collision with the current US admin and the chances are the US would rather prefer a martial law over working with the politicians. The Pak army would come out in favor of the US rather than the people of Pakistan.

Time to go, watch America's propaganda network, GEO TV before I drift off to sleep....

tahmed writes "and this is what you wrote in #357:...."

I was talking about #358, Zee's post having no insults, read my post again before lying about it as well...

Quote # 369 Posted by masadi" Lies upon lies, first lie #358 is not my post, second lie #358 has no abuse, and final lie, when you claim you stopped reading my post, you read every word of my posts

In #372 read "and to mainstream NS and the lawyer's movement, " as

and to mainstream NS and pacify the lawyer's movement,

correction in #373 read "or were cheerleading for the US 2003 invastion of Iran in your dimwit "open letter" published on chowk.." as

or were cheerleading for the US 2003 invasion of Iraq in your dimwit "open letter" published on chowk

tahmed writes "So - it you who is the liar,"

Once exposed, this ignoramus will resort to turning his opponents proven claims on their head without any proof. Where is my lie fool. You lied about not reading my post, and you proved it in this one! You stand thoroughly and totally discredited on this site, people know that you push the US pov blindly even when it is harmful to the people of Pakistan, just you wait fool, they will take care of your type, that day is coming and coming up fast and your dream of a broken up Pakistan with US armies swarming will never come to be regardless of the nostaligic way in which you celebrate British colonization of India or were cheerleading for the US 2003 invastion of Iran in your dimwit "open letter" published on chowk, there for all to see. You are the liar, you are the hypocrite and you are an immoral, spineless, sorry excuse for a human being with the morals of a dirty slug

Tahmed writes "After all, if a man is willing to sacrifice his ex-boss whom he "loyally" served to save his own skin, no matter how treacherous to the nation the ex-boss proved to be, that speaks volumes of his own sincerity..."

Zee you can recognize tahmed's mentality in this quote from his post. This backstabber will gladly advocate the butchering of the people of Pakistan by the US just because he got some $$ from his "boss" the US. Ex=generals when they get out of the constraits of the institution usually begin to see things differently and then make noise but they are powerless to cause anything once the "wardi" is off. The military at present is playing the US manipulation game of scape-goating Musharraf to prevent the restoration of the judges and to mainstream NS and the lawyer's movement, therefore you see these kinds of people popping up with new revealtions and the post event/post postion (retired) "whistle blowing" occurs on America's own propaganda, heavily funded, VOA broadcasting, GEO....these things however, which includes allowing NS to contest, are beyond the comprehension of those that will let such manipulations take root and forget the real issue- that of the judges, and this is done by a-holes like tahmed deliberately to mask US BS in our affairs...

#369 so it was #357 and not #358. dont try to be clever by picking on obvious typos.

and this is what you wrote in #357: "When he goes and the judiciary is not restored and made independant fools like you will say "the people did it", but ignoramus, the people want the judiciary.." these are the exact words i quoted.

So - it you who is the liar, not me. and i didnt bother to read what you wrote in #368 since i am not interested in wasting my precious chowk time with man who is incapable of a civilized discussion.

zeemax #358 i tried to re-check the geo interview on the 70th minute (on the queencutpaste board on unplugged) and couldnt fast forward and have to do something now.

in any case, from what i recall watching yesterday, the mere fact that he mentions that infantry would have been better than hi tech drones (that destroyed - or made "shaheed" as he put it) indicates that at least for bajaur he thought sending in the infantry would have been more effective and without innocent people getting hurt and the madrassah destroyed.

your basic point that kiani is not calling for military action in fata and is supporting peace moves is valid of course.

But - while kiani may be useful in lending badly needed support to the lawyers movement (if only to save his own skin from an angry public while sacrificing his ex-boss), i would not consider any advice or views he takes as being based on the longer term interests of the nation rather than on his own short term interests. After all, if a man is willing to sacrifice his ex-boss whom he "loyally" served to save his own skin, no matter how treacherous to the nation the ex-boss proved to be, that speaks volumes of his own sincerity. If he had put his career on the line, like the Chief Justice and the brave judges and journalists did, that would be another matter. But he did not. And so his support is welcome, his opinions should be considered in light of his own past.

tahmed writes "#358 more abuse i see. i didnt bother to read the rest of your post after you started abusing."

Lies upon lies, first lie #358 is not my post, second lie #358 has no abuse, and final lie, when you claim you stopped reading my post, you read every word of my posts quite deligently, were stumped by the arguments and then tried to save face by your so called anti-insult sensibilities when you have used all insults in the book for me and the greatest insult against the people of this country as a whole by advocating they submit (become slaves) to US desires which you push day and night on this site... Your kind will be aptly dealt with by the people and made examples of, just you wait fool

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#357 masadi: i was going to respond to your post, but saw that you could not resist adding the standard insults ("ignoramus" "fool") in the end. i am prepared to discuss any issue, but not prepared to exchange abuse and insults.

so good effort at trying to write an abuse-free post, but you are not there yet.

#358 more abuse i see. i didnt bother to read the rest of your post after you started abusing.

Cheers. :-)

#365, good one masadi (pats self on back) you made my day!