Pakistan's Nuclear Test - Ten Years Later

arjun writes "the marines will be glad to dispatch them to heaven..."

You mean the ones that cry like pregnant women giving birth when grazed by a bullet and then go trigger happy on women and children when they are unable to fight their actual opponent? The denizens of hell can never lead someone into heaven....fool

arjun writes "tell you what..if your side, the jihadis, are willing to wear a uniform and face the american forces in a conventional battle, the marines will be glad to dispatch them to heaven.."

Idiot, the jihadis are not "our side", they were the US side until very recently and are still playing to its tunes. The barbarians at our gate, the US, have never played by any rules in any war, not WW2, not Vietnam, and certainly not Iraq, so their crying "rules" merely tells me that it is the "cry" of a spolied brat who wants not only his own candy but everthing in the shop, as if it were his right...

#360 Posted by masadi on June 3, 2008 9:32:39 am


Further the barbarians that are knocking at our gate (the Americans) prefer to fight through the air, the "feet on the ground"


tell you what..if your side, the jihadis, are willing to wear a uniform and face the american forces in a conventional battle, the marines will be glad to dispatch them to heaven..

your jihadis want to play the unconventional game and then you whine when the other side doesn't play by your rules?

this is no different from mushy whining about the indians using their air force during kargil..yeah..we would have won but they used their air force...

......you are beginning to sound more and more like romair mian ....


speaking of captain clueless...he told us, in 2002, he was supporting mushy even when it was uncool to do so...

where's he at anyway?

g'night

tahmed writes "you have to ask yourself why mush refused to permit US troops in fata while permitting drones (which can take out an odd militant leader here or there, but cannot stamp out the militants altogether)."

Like I said this peon of the West pushes the US line every occassion he gets, now he wants US troops to be on the ground in Pakistan in large numbers, how will that sit with the "people" this spineless hypocrite always talks about, will they like their nation to be overrun by imperialist armies, ones they hate almost as much as they hate mush? If US troops are on the ground in FATA or elsewhere that will not be an end to "militancy" but it will certainly result in an end to Pakistan. Further the barbarians that are knocking at our gate (the Americans) prefer to fight through the air, the "feet on the ground" usually enter for the purpose of cleanup alone. So the "patriotism" of this hypocrite has been revealed for all to see, he invites the US troops to overrun Pakistani territory, using the excuse of militancy, to undo this nation state and then this pos has the audacity to talk about the "struggles" of the people of Pakistan. May God damn his kind of backstabbing hypocrites....

hamid writes "marie biscuits ..."

They are as tasteless as your BS posts, sage (of the sewers)...Try Candi, cinnamon cookies designed to be dipped into chai before consumption....

#354 Posted by tahmed32

#351 zeemax: he says that (using infantry rather than hi tech drones) in the middle of the interview.

Okay I went back and played that interview again. What he's actually saying is about the Bajaur Madrassa bombing, and that troops could have gone in and surrounded it if there were any lawless elements inside. It is at about 70th minute. He's saying if they're talking to them now, why didn't they talk to them then?

He opposes the use of force in that segment, not support it as you have understood.

Tahmed writes "This thing about "the Americans did that" (separate mush from his wardi) is Zardari's line too. And it is wrong. And it is not just wrong, it is also insulting to the Pakistani people since it belittles the role of the thousands of brave Pakistanis who came out on the streets day after day in 2007 - facing beatings by the police, facing bullets from mqm."

You are simply trying to push the american line that tries to show that what it achieves is what the people of Pakistan want. The people of Pakistan didn't want the wardi off, they wanted the a-hole to go, with the wardi or without it, they wanted him gone from their lives,"go musharraf go" were the slogans not "remove the wardi", and those struggles did not result in his wardi coming off, the wardi showed its full strength on Nov 3, past those beatings, and what not you mention. Only after the Americans sent Negroponte with the final warning, did the fool decide to save his skin and give up his wardi...Zardari is correct in his assertion about the wardi, not even BB could have achieved it by herself, further his strength in rebuking Musharraf comes directly from the US that now wants to scrap him for good in order to incorporate and mitigate the struggles of the people. When he goes and the judiciary is not restored and made independant fools like you will say "the people did it", but ignoramus, the people want the judiciary restored first and foremost while the Americans are manipulating them to keep their BS going. The Wardi was removed by the Americans with full support of the Pakistan Military, it was either that or they would have de-wardied him in public via a hellfire aimed for his a$$, no two ways about it. He happened to be smarter than Zia in this regard....

#355 hamidm: so what have drones accomplished in 8 years, field marshall hosni mobarik ben clausewitz von hamidm?

Re: # 354

tahmed,

......you are beginning to sound more and more like romair mian ....

...... it is absolutely stupid, irresponsible and rather crazy to go after these jihadis with infantry - when you do that you are playing at their game and they are much better at it ...... the way to exterminate this vermin is exactly what the americans are doing with targeted assassinations using drones - it has worked for the israelis and it should work for us .... additionally we should be using the airforce and heavy artillery to drive out these rats from their spider holes ....

..... collateral damage is inevitable, but the colonial concept of collective punishment by destroying entire villages is morally wrong and militarily unproductive .....

..... these jihadi types can be a pain in the keester, but even a third rate regular army like the indian army in occupied kashmir is quite capable of taking care of al-lah's pathetic warriors in filthy shalwars, worn out chappals and us aid blankets .....

#351 zeemax: he says that (using infantry rather than hi tech drones) in the middle of the interview.

you have to ask yourself why mush refused to permit US troops in fata while permitting drones (which can take out an odd militant leader here or there, but cannot stamp out the militants altogether).

351 Posted by zeemax on June 3, 2008 6:14:51 am


Re US fighting militants via use of drones alone, these will result in the same retaliation as last year - 50 suicide bombings on Pakistani soft targets in less than six months. The Government will have to decide whether it can afford it.


seeing as how the paki military is completely incapable of stopping the drone attacks, this sounds like a win-win situation..

packwhacker drones whack the jihadis
jihadis whack pakis

lather rinse repeat...

#350 Posted by tahmed32,

Thus: if mush had accepted the CJ's position that he should either shed his uniform or run for president, even I may very well have voted for him as being the least disgusting of the lot.

Otherwise agreed except the above. I think it's a good time to revisit Bilal Musharraf's "He had no Choice" and the 1200 interacts on it :)

#349 Posted by tahmed32,

... will the current government take his advice? Right now it seems to be going the other way, leaving it for the US to fight the militants with its hands tied behind its back (i.e., no "boots on the ground", thus forcing the US to stick to use of drones alone.

I don't remember him saying this about FATA. But nevertheless, regardless of your or mine position on this, if he said that Pakistan must have boots on the ground in FATA, they actually did have them for two years and were defeated. They still have infantry in FATA but recently the decision was made to pull them out from near population centers, which is why Baitullah Mehsud was able to conduct his press-conference.

Re US fighting militants via use of drones alone, these will result in the same retaliation as last year - 50 suicide bombings on Pakistani soft targets in less than six months. The Government will have to decide whether it can afford it.

It is a tricky situation, but I really think Pakistan should allow US to put boots on the ground (if they want) in FATA. I'm sure Mehsuds will have no objection. The mostly mis-guided drone attacks neither help NATO nor Pakistan.

#348 zeemax: mush's popularity no doubt nose-dived after the lal masjid attack (and in my case, even more the lal masjid attack when i realized how he was clearly using lal masjid maulvis as unwitting pawns to intimidate the people of islamabad). Thus: if mush had accepted the CJ's position that he should either shed his uniform or run for president, even i may very well have voted for him as being the least disgusting of the lot.

However, the CJ has no doubt inspired thousands of Pakistanis and we do have options. Nawaz Sharif has had a second chance to redeem himself in the public's eye - and he has done that magnificently to date.