Pakistan's Nuclear Test - Ten Years Later

#464 Posted by masadi
“Some people benefit "relatively"- compared to the mass, from slavery like house slaves of old, they come to love their bondage and become so engrossed in the few privilages that are given them that when someone shows them the path to freedom, which always comes through struggle, they rail against their saviors and cling to those that butcher them with a knife sharpened,�

So true! These wanna be goras are just ridiculous. It is hilarious to see them in formal dinner environments. Invariably, all of them fail to figure out which fork to use first!

#453 Posted by dost_mittar
“Was it your Nana's house by any chance? I am asking this because there was a tradition among Punjabi hindu/sikhs that mothers would go to their parents' home for the delivery of their child, especially the first-born, and wonder if the tradition extended to Muslims as well?�

This is a fairly common practice in Sindh and Punjab among the middle class families. Some Mohajir also follow that. This has nothing to do with religion.

Majumdar, if chowk staff ban me I'll email you with my posts, thank you for this great service you are providing...

g'night

Anil, you are the one who "goes to the shore and dies", people like myself when given the opportunity cause revolutions. People like you are forgotten and due to weak language skills are never part of the big discourse, people like myself set the trend in that area. Now go F yourself

Anil writes "and engage in debate with Massaddi Mian, a colonialist from 7th century and Mills par course...."

Look you miserable a-hole from HBS with an email to match, who can scarse write a straight sentence in English, leave me the F alone when you don't have a clue about me, colonization cannot and does not refer to the conquests that occurred in the 7th century because of qualitative differences between them and the European colonization, and I certainly do not support either..

Then the idiot writes "America is a system, not a nation-state. Silicon Valley is as different from Mississippi delta as it is from Bangalore."

Fool America is a nation state that is based on a barbaric system of exploitation, deception and theft. There is great standardization and homogeniety that is bureaucratically enforced so that cities are near replicas of each other, there is great economic concentration and your favourite "entrepreneurs", none are independant but are bought out by the big corporations, concentrated in the military sector, even the thought process channeled through a concentrated corporate media ensures a standardized cheerful robot. There is no difference or variety anywhere except in the minds of HBS dimwits like yourself

Hamidm sahib:

I am surprised that you, Cheema and Dost sahibs worship colonialism, and engage in debate with Massaddi Mian, a colonialist from 7th century and Mills par course. He represents at best a dinaosour's thinking.

Colonialism did not happen, it was deliberate, there was a need to get raw materials for European economies. America had resources but not people, so slavery started, Arabs and Europeans joined for African slaves for the Americas. Chinese coolies were brought to work in the U.S. Indians were used as plantation workers, babus, chaiwalas to cannon fodder for the colonizing armies and traders.

I am surprised Dost sahib gives example of Chinese (it has been a complete indegenious transformations by Mao to Deng), and Lee Kwan Yu, again very Singaporean Chinese, who had limited choice after Malayesia wanted to kick Chinese out.

Had Brits lasted longer in India, there would have been more of babus, soldiers and traders. The discrimination would have been rampant glass ceilings lower. Colonialist had no intention to develop market (consumers) or production centers in these parts of the world.

What is driving this Post-American era is what has been created in America. America is a system, not a nation-state. Silicon Valley is as different from Mississippi delta as it is from Bangalore. This system is equally capable of allowing Harvard drop out to become the world’s richest man, and Massaddi Mian into a Summa Cum Laude.

You, Dost and I were at the beginning wave of globalization, Cheema sahib is the next wave. Massaddi Mian is the under current that goes back to the shore and dies. What links all of us and talk, is what drives the next wave of globalization from China, India, Middle, East Europe and Americas, also allows labor (Skills to develop), capital (to create) and products (to manufacture) move faster than ever. It is technology and knowledge, which has allowed a separation of physical movement of goods / services and transactions to mention the few. This is unprecedented and a causing a major shift in job creation.
Would you call it latest colonialism?

in #471 read "I am against the larger division of nation states just as I am against the smaller divisions.."

as

I am against the larger division (the system of nation states) just as I am against the smaller sub-divisions and I would like the elimination of all borders between nations and guaranteed rights to indigineous folk, however given the current situation of nation states what I want is not going to happen so rights ensured through a democratic process, rather than subdivision is the best way to go..

HP writes " If 51% of Baloch want independence, there demand becomes legitimate. Pakistan got independence on the same principle and that cannot be changed for any other nationality in Pakistan. "

The "rule of law" operates remaining within the constitution of a nation state which does not allow for it to be split apart by franchise, otherwise no nation state would survive and those with resources to influence the 51%, i.e. other powers that might have interests would always be successful in "lawfully" breaking up a nation state. Pakistan, though an unfortunate fact is a fact nonetheless and remaining within the state and ensuring equal rights to all is best, the so-called independance of baluchistan would be in name only the bigger powers will soon dominate it not only to the detriment of the Baluchis but to the detriment of Pakistan as well. The 51% reveals a long history of injustice and military action, if democracy can correct that I am sure the numbers will change, ethnicity is no reason to breakup a nation state living within the current system (I am against the larger division of nation states just as I am against the smaller divisions) if rights can be ensured through a democratic process...

in # 469 spineless immoral fool (refers to tahmed)

Everytime I told the chowk folk that this spineless immoral fool supported the colonization of India by the Brits in his articles, he denied it and challenged me to produce his quote and now just today he makes this comment

""Was the british rule a plus for India - definitely. The brits came to a nation ruled by kings, left the nation as a democracy.."

Now pray tell me who the F is the liar and who the F is the hypocrite??

#417 Posted by zeemax
“I only butt in when you begin to make a fool of yourself with your superficial knowledge claiming to be the ibne-batuta of Pakistan.�

Yeah this is from a guy who claimed he had some knowledge about Pushtuns and was shown and made to look like an idiot by Adam Khan. You simply don’t know about Baluchistan and you are just repeating what heard from Talat Hussain on his TV show while interviewing Burhamdagh. I doubt that you have ever spoken to a Baloch in your whole life. You learn about Pakistan from wiki?

Here is problem with new mujahids for democracy (well in your case that would be Islamist)like you. You want Judges restored for the rule of law but still use the army to deny the same rights to the Baloch. Try and read learn about the people in your country before trying to discuss anything about them.
Ignorance is you middle name.

#418 Posted by hamidm2
“even though i agree with you 99.9% of the time and zeemax is certainly a demented jihadi, i have to agree with him on this one .....�

Hamid, it does not matter what you and I or Zeemax think. The only thing matter is what the Baloch think. If 51% of Baloch want independence, there demand becomes legitimate. Pakistan got independence on the same principle and that cannot be changed for any other nationality in Pakistan.

This miserable a-hole (tahmed) should be hung by parliament decree as traitor to humanity and the crows should be allowed to snack on his dead carcass.......

Let us all raise our hands and pray, Amen to that!

In #465 read "and is not responsible for the over one million that have been butchered and the entire population whose life has been made unbearable" as

and is now (definitely) responsible for the over one million that have been butchered and the entire population whose life has been made unbearable

Tahmed the supporter of colonization praises his gods in this manner "Was the british rule a plus for India - definitely. The brits came to a nation ruled by kings, left the nation as a democracy"

Rather, the british came to India that was economically quite ahead for its times, left it underdeveloped after killing millions of its people through manufactured famines, destroying whatever industry would have taken root, devalued local cultures, religions and history while degrading people's heritage in their own eyes through deceit, sent hundreds of thousands to be butchered in its foreign wars or relocated for economic exploitation, and created a class of "middle class educated" that ensured that even after colonization we would remain a dependency in an underdeveloped state. Colonization ruined the world in a most barbaric and inhumane manner and this sob supports it, just as he was cheerleading for the 2003 Iraq war and is not responsible for the over one million that have been butchered and the entire population whose life has been made unbearable, just like he is asking the barbarians at our gate (US) to send troops on the ground in Pakistan to rape our mother, sisters and daughters as they break up Pakistan. This miserable a-hole should be hung as traitor by parliament decree as traitor to humanity and the crows should be allowed to snack on his dead carcass.......

Some people benefit "relatively"- compared to the mass, from slavery like house slaves of old, they come to love their bondage and become so engrossed in the few privilages that are given them that when someone shows them the path to freedom, which always comes through struggle, they rail against their saviors and cling to those that butcher them with a knife sharpened, that will kill them even though it is dipped in sugar and strikes with great fanfare and celebration cloaked and hidden in the finest silk. We find such specimens in many among chowk that support colonization, those that support Musharraf and the Pakistan Army's rule in this country, we even have mainstreamed house salves that occupy entire political parties and talk the people talk while praising and supporting their enslavers....God damn them all, damn hamidm and damn tahmed and the rest of the supporters of human bondage...

hamid writes "i sincerely believe that colonialism was the best thing that happened to the colored man (and woman) except that it didn't last long enough - the damn germans ruined it for us ..... "

A very simplistic argument that compares apples and oranges regarding regions and in the typical slave mentality attributes the modern day condition of certain colonized countries on colonization while ignoring the sea of underdevelopment perpetuated in many more regions and entire continents due to it. Need I say more, sage of the sewers?

Colonization reduced the "jewel" in the crown of the British empire from one of the leading economic powerhouses of the day back to the stone age, draining more from India by continued colonization wouldn't have fixed anything fool and get your history straight, the Germans gave Jinnah and the ML an opportunity to capitalize on their new found relationship with the British and mainstream themselves, leading to the foregone conlcusion of partition and the resulting bloodshed. It is disingenuous to compare two fart size territories Hong Kong and Macau, next to the giant where the Brits were trying to make inroads with a country the size of India, South Africa was a settler territory where the condition of the subordinate blacks under white rule was not at all better than our condition. The British colonization of Malaysia lasted for a much shorter period than their colonization of India, and their development cannot by any stretch of the imagination be laid on their colonial history, it is the "antithesis" of what colonization was pushing in India

Re: # 459
"Pakistan-origin but without the documents to prove it"

And now ".....if it hadn't been for my complete 'bunch of losers' ancestors..."

Great fillers for the blanks....