Who Moved My Cheese

Re: # 80
Majumder...
"What prevent them..."
Nobody prevents people from adopting better methods. But, that is not to happen.
High population is causing destruction of natural bodies and bio diversity in Ganges delta.

"...Hepatitis B Vaccinations..."
I was interested in basic contribution towards medical science. Cost reduction is not basic contribution. China produces large number of low cost mobile phones.
Truth is that, most of the basic innovations are coming from MNCs like Merc, J & J, Pfizer....


"...Assam...is not Urdooo speaking...'
My intention was...they follow the same mediaval,middle east barbarism....

Re: # 63
Tahir sahib
It seems that I am unable to see what you mention, however we all have different angles and visual acuity as well, perhaps in this instance you see things other than myself depending upon your lifetime experiences.
In all times there have been people around who happend to have tried to kill one or another that they dont agree with however based on my own abilities I feel that the author who is not trying to score any points may have been misunderstood beyond proportion.
Thank you

Majumdar writes "Sir, you will appreictae that it is capitalist societies which have shown the flexibility to adopt socialist policies to prolong their lives. Most socieities based on alternative policies have yet to show significant results, as of now."

They have not shown flexibility, they have been forced to incorporate them into their system to protect the bourgeoisie, whose eminent demise under a free hand to oppress the masses was recognized quite early on. They have prolonged their lives at the expense of the life-expectancy of the vast majority who are relegated to working class status. The wealth is generated through industry and there is nothing to say (except the bs of vested private interests) that wealth and industrialization cannot be achieved under an alternative system where the waste of eliminating the competitiors does not exist. They have failed because the power that resides outside have made them fail...

Masadi sahib,

Your point about "capitalist nations" incorporating socialist features is well taken and also I think very well demonstrated in many of today's developed nations. But these nations have to first create wealth thru capitalist routes and then start taking measures to equitably distribute.

But I hope, Sir, you will appreictae that it is capitalist societies which have shown the flexibility to adopt socialist policies to prolong their lives. Most socieities based on alternative policies have yet to show significant results, as of now.

Regards

Bulleya writes "....for those with an islamic persuasion, islam as a religion, was founded by capatilist businessmen.....muhammad worked for his wife, who was a capatilist.....abu bakr and usman were capitalists.......muhammad in today's world would be the equivalent of a regional sales manager of an import export company.....abu bakr, perhaps a stock broker, and khadija and usman ceo's of multinationals......"

Most idiotic. There was no capitalism in the 7th century, capitalism evolved much later. Islam and capitalism are incompatible, there is no private ownership in Islam just trusteeship where in the trust the underprivilaged have a right, such redistribution can never work under a pure capitalist system

majumdar writes "But I must point that several capitalist, erstwhile developing economies too have shown good results on the HDI front"

They are capitalistic in slogan only because only by incorporating principles of socialism can they show good results on the HDI front not otherwise, but it is a matter of degree only that is the reason why Bulleya's recommendation of being totally capitalistic in wealth production and totally communistic in distribution is so out of whack and quite idiotic. Communism is not a necessary generator of extra bureaucracy, while capitalistic societies in order to program a controlled public transform their entire social structure into one that is bureaucratic as is the case with the US, second to none in laws that govern behavior and the bureaucracy that goes with it. Rational organizations like bureaucracies can be used for the benefit of mankind just as they can be used to control them for ulterior motive, this person has no clue about either bureaucracy or communism- which cannot be imposed from on high but is an inevitable evolution of capitalism, according to the Marxian system, it is not either or.

Nkg you miserable f'ck. You idiocy come out clear in every post you make, what my identity is you have no clue about and Muslims are much more decent than your kind of bigots...

majumdar #: ......one can only comment based on one's personal experiences and whatever one reads.......though personal experiences are far more important.....

.....there was a time, when, like hamid and tahmad etc. i also used to think that usa was the ultimate......and like urstruly, i was thinking of living there for the rest of my life....

...more than anything moving to canada had a big impact on me......moreso than even moving from pakistan to usa......it allowed me to see how a more equitable distribution of wealth can create a more prosperous social system, even if the net wealth creation is a less than a neighboring country.....

......i think communism is a failure......not because it is inherently a wrong idea......but because it relies on inflated beaurecracies to create and distribute wealth.....such beurecracies, inherently, become fat, corrupt, inefficient and uncompetitive......

......money should be generated through capitalism.....it is the only way to truly compete internationally..

....for those with an islamic persuasion, islam as a religion, was founded by capatilist businessmen.....muhammad worked for his wife, who was a capatilist.....abu bakr and usman were capitalists.......muhammad in today's world would be the equivalent of a regional sales manager of an import export company.....abu bakr, perhaps a stock broker, and khadija and usman ceo's of multinationals......

........however, where changes need to occur is in the distribution of wealth......wealth needs to be distributed in a fashion, where, at the very least, every single citizen has the same access to health, education and justice......if that is achieved, everyone will have a shot at success....

in that sense, amongst developed countries, canada is the prime example....its capatilist in wealth generation.....its small business taxes are actually lower than usa......but socialist in wealth distribution.....everyone from a billionaire to a pauper line up in hte same line for govt. health services......and anyone who can get into its top universities, can get 100% loans to pay for the education......

amongst developing countries, i cannot really see any examples......either they are following outright communism or outright capatilism......

i think pakistan should be capatilist, with a strong private sector.......but totally communist in wealth distribution......the state should own the health and education sector.......with totally equitable distribution of spending from village to city.........

Nkg

(But people of these countries have kept them upgraded to produce more (in agriculture as well as industry). They have adopted very effective family planning method, which keeps the population growth minimum. )

Who has prevented Indians from emulating them?

(With so many doctors, what have Cuba contributed towards medical science? )

The Cubans have done a lot of work in producing very low cost vaccines for several diseases such as Hep B. And they have provided for ordinary Cubans healthcare that most Indians except the ultra rich one can only dream of.

As far as BD, Assam and WB are concrened, most Muslims that you rail against are Bong speaking, not Urdu speaking.

Regards

Re: # 77
Masadi...
You are urdoo/moslem, barbaric arab slave. This is your basic identity...
You carry all the baggage of mediaval, middle east barbarism...and I have to learn from you about history etc...and take it granted!!!!

What I said is based on fact and collected from published news paper reports.

Majumder...
Japan,Eastern China and Korea have very high population density. But people of these countries have kept them upgraded to produce more (in agriculture as well as industry). They have adopted very effective family planning method, which keeps the population growth minimum. Furthermore, you can not imitate the industrial growth of these countries everywhere. Neither it is advisable or good for nature. What damage the americans have done to their nature, I don't know, but, we (Indians), who by our basic culture love nature, should have taken steps to prevent all the undesirable stuff caused by huge population growth and the resultant stress on nature...
I request you to read Dr. Vandana Siva...

As long as BD,Bihar... is concerned, entire civilisation stopped at 12th/13th century (When middle eastern looters destroyed the civilian infrastructure- Nalanda University etc...). Whatever you expect from Chinese, Japs, Koreans etc...can not expect from these urdooised/islamised people.
I have told in the earlier post, "to create hunger in such a fertile land and with so much natural resource, you need some miracle.".Something realy very bad. Very high population combined with stagnation of civilisation is causing this trouble.
Now, the best option remained to these urdooised/islamised people is very simple one. Produce less bipeds of that kind. That is the best way to reduce burden on mother earth. Unproductive/lowly productive high concentration of urdoo people are already creating burden on Assam and other neighbouring areas of India....I think, I don't need to teach you regading this....


Romair and Majumder....
Regarding your Cuban success...
Russia was supporting all these countries through their innovations. Other communist countries have only imitated them. With so many doctors, what have Cuba contributed towards medical science? As per my knowledge, absolutely nothing...

Masadi sahib,

Your point about how the inflow was used is very well taken. But I must point that several capitalist, erstwhile developing economies too have shown good results on the HDI front. Notable of course being Korea as well as several SE Asian countries, including some states which are not too high on the per capita income list eg Indonesia.

Nkg/Masadi sahib,

If the economic systems are correct and investment is made in human development, then high population density is not per se a drawback. Japan's population density is prollyy higher than India and if you further adjust for the fact that 70% of Japan is mountainous it is even worse. But Japan is one of the wealthiest countries in the world.

Nkg, I think you need to spruce up on your facts.

Regards

nkg writes "High population density in asian countries are major cause of misery.."

Look fool, don't try to teach "population density" to someone who has academic training in demography. Population denisty is not a vacuum phenomenon it is dependant to a large extent on the surround socio economic structure, a structure imposed upon us (as I explained in my previous post) by the white man.

Also, don't speak through your a$$ you miserable baboon by calling me an Arab slave, there is nothing not a single post of mine you can point to that even alludes to that baseless allegation, on the other hand your pro white man, pro colonization and now pro neo colonization BS is clearly there for all to see you peon of the West....

Majumdar writes "But do remember the system was paid for by genrous Russian subsidies..."

The bulleya point was not how the inflows came but what was done with them, investment in the people that make the system unlike the capitalist systems where the wealth flows from the people to the select few, here it flowed from whatever source, internal or external towards the people themselves, which is a massive achievement for any system.

Romair,

Cuba has been a success story no doubt as far as human develop indices are concerned, full marks to them. Its educational and health systems are among the best in the world.

But do remember the system was paid for by genrous Russian subsidies, USSR used to buy its sugar output at several times the multiples of the prevailing prices.

Regards

Re: # 70
Masadi, I don't need any opinion from barbaric arab slaves like you. You need to be exposed to the light of civisation. Then start interacting...

High population density in asian countries are major cause of misery. Bangladesh, part of India and Pakistanis have to work as bonded labour in other countries, specially in middle east to feed their mouth.
There is no better place on earth than Ganga valley, in terms of natural resources to sustain decent life style. But still people of these areas are poor!!!
Infusion of mediaval arab barbarism (Urdooo/Islam) is largely responsible for this. Somehow, we need to wipe out this uncivilised cult from Ganga valley. Every year, the amount of bipeds these places add is more than the population of some countries in europe. BD is as populous as Russia. You need real miracle to keep the people of this area hungry.

#69 Posted by bulleya on June 9, 2008 5:45:25 am


......the older i get and the more i travel


has your support for musharraf dropped as you get older?

remember: you told us you not only supported him but had been supporting him from back when it was uncool to do support him....

Hurricane writes "Masadi yaar,

you're wasting time with the chowkies...they just want to argue. You should submit stuff to counterpunch.org etc.... "


Note also the IK talking about "status quo promoting forces" and the "gimmicks" of the WOT (a term directly borrowed from my Clash of Civilizations article), be certain that my report on the farcial WOT reached him and he is voicing it, just as it reached other prominent members of the parliament through Pakistan Mail, many others have got the message through these very boards of Chowk. There is no waste of time, our day, the day of justice is coming, regardless of how much the peons of the West oppose it...

In #70 pow virus refers to "peon of the West" virus

g'night

bulleya writes ".....this, of course, should not be equated with the nationalisation of the bhutto era......"

Don't jump on ZAB every opportunity you get. His was a start and a magnificient start in a country that was infested by the military disease, and had that start been allowed to continue, Pakistan would have had a better ranking than Cuba's, simply because of our distance from the beast and our neighbourhood, size and diversity