The 'One God' Religions of Revelation

Total waste of time Pappuu Laddu Pappu Laddu

It wuld be beter to listen to Zakir and Sri Sri Ravi Shankar

"best purushartha is achieved!!"

Yes, but when a Muslim submerges himself or herself in Allah, he or she gains complete faith in the Quran and it as a Word of God for all people and all times. Don't you see that basic difference between yourself and Muradbhai (assuming he has the faith)?

Re: # 815

"It feels better being a 365-day Muslim than a six-way gal for only 168 days!"

A supremacist momeen speaks for his Allah again!!

Re: # 815

"..cannot starve like the Buddha except in the month of Ramadan..."

Why do you even starve for 40 days?? Are you so scared of Allah??

I would not starve for even an hour for Allah.

"One can meditate, one can do scientific work - all in effort to remove the veil of any ego,.."

Ego is the "veil of meem" ( "Avarana of Maya")- once the Mamatva( mine-ness) goes away or the ego is surrendered through Bhakti or Submission to the Ishwara (the definite-ego) the best purushartha is achieved!!

Re: # 809 Pappu goochi-moochi

"I live in US."

Which state; Southern Hysteria? :)

"try this for next 21 days to be a Jew, then for next 21 days a Christian, next 21 days to be Bahai, then Zarathrostian, Hindu, Boudha, Jain, and Shinto/Confusian. Whole project will take 21x8 = 168 days less than six months. This exercise will strengthen your faith."

I cannot be a usurous shylock, cannot ever offer my other cheek, will not follow fake prophets sponsored by the colonists, cannot have my body eaten by birds, do not like mutiple gods and goddesses, cannot starve like the Buddha except in the month of Ramadan, and neither do Jainish things nor worship Chairman Mao.

It feels better being a 365-day Muslim than a six-way gal for only 168 days!

Remember, once you spoke of the role of 'ego.' That was a very profound statement. One can meditate, one can do scientific work - all in effort to remove the veil of any ego, or one can do all that in service of a definite ego. And that is a basic difference. That's why no mutual group-level confidence or trust can or should exist, except between two individuals.

Yes, I agree.

Re: # 810

"But there are many others who might look upon the Vedas in more cultural ways, as unifiers or anchors, or in some cases, not even that, necessarily.

These people would obviously try to date the vedas and they should."

Dating on the basis of Scientific-Materialism that does not recognize "idealism" or existence of anything apart from material world including God, spirits, houries, souls, revealation, intuition, magical powers etc has been going on and is part of modern day scientific archeology.

But when a momeen believer wants to "date" other beliefs so that he can boast of 'falsehood' of other's idealism and hence 'prove' his idealism is something that has to be opposed by Hindus because the aim of this is dawah and not seeking explanation on the basis of materialism of sciences.

Momeen truths are by default 'false' on the same standards of scientific materialism because it's entities are not open to experimental falsification.

I doubt a momeen Shia like Murad aims to falsify his own belief system in attempting to date Vedas materialistically through sciences.

methinks, your objection may actually be with murad bhai trying to date the vedas, rather than the effort to date them itself. That is ok, since no mutual credibility exists or can exist.

Good, laddu bhai. One can respect that. That is one stream of Indian thought, and people following that stream would obviously not care to date the Vedas in any scientific or logical manner (as they might with any other books).

But there are many others who might look upon the Vedas in more cultural ways, as unifiers or anchors, or in some cases, not even that, necessarily.

These people would obviously try to date the vedas and they should. None of that should make any difference to people who hold the vedas to be anadi, both being to able to coexist within the same larger system of ideas.

Do you think that is the essence of the Indian way, laddu?

Tahir dear bro,

"Now I'll have to work on having your previous request to God cancelled!"

Thanks! I live in US. One request though - try this for next 21 days to be a Jew, then for next 21 days a Christian, next 21 days to be Bahai, then Zarathrostian, Hindu, Boudha, Jain, and Shinto/Confusian. Whole project will take 21x8 = 168 days less than six months. This exercise will strengthen your faith whatever it might be.

Good Luck!

Re: # 806 Laddu
"you did not understand the significance of my claims to know Islam better than yourself!"

Claiming and aiming are different things. Let me see your real aims through the interacts.

Re: # 801 Laddu
"In order to be a true muslim one has to be a true idolator first like Mohammad"

If you're trying to say 'from doubt emerges conviction and faith' then there's some truth in it but not all start that way. One appreciates God more when left by the devil at the point-of-no-return!

Be on your way now to the 'mandir'...

Tahir miyah,

you did not understand the significance of my claims to know Islam better than yourself!!

Re: # 802

"Sikhism and Buddhism, for instance, place no great signficance on the vedas, and lose little by doing so."

Yes, I consider Hinduism as a conglomeration of different faiths strung together by certain common theological grounds and historical past. It is like what we call as Semitic Religions.

Vedas are considered "Anadi" and revealed to various Rishis who are the Seers of those revelations.

They are "Anadi" because they 'pre-existed' and Rishis only saw them and recognized a pre-existing spiritual knowledge.

The existence of Rishis CAN be dated - but not that of the Vedas.

Vedic-knowledge is NOT ideas in human heads which exist only if human beings live.

This 'Vedic-idealism' speaks about Vedic-knowldge having a "separate existence" from the human beings and would survive even if human beings are dead!!