The 'One God' Religions of Revelation

#928 TOLKININ

[DM sb I undersand you point from past .But isnt there is similar restriction among practicing Hindu not be able to marry Any one .]

No there is not. Also, the rules are the same for men and women. In Islam it is different rules for men and women - to prevent anyone from converting OUT of the "religion".

I can bet that at this point of the discussion, like all good muslims, you will quietly disappear, because you realize that are wrong, but as a Muslim, cannot admit it.

"How can an 'other' accept?"

DM ji, others don't have to accept at all (either individually or in groups), but as groups, they will, invariably.

That's what a powerful ideology is - it operates at the level of groups, and individual opposition (or the opposition of a small number of people) to it makes almost no difference to final outcomes.

In the specific example you mentioned, there will always be non-Muslim women (and even men) who would dismiss the asymmetry you mentioned as irrelevant. They would do this on their own, without any prodding from Muslims. And would defend their 'right' to perpetrate it. So, in this case again, as in almost every case I have considered, there is no way to stop the advance of Islam on other groups.

I wanted to point out that non-Muslims themselves facilitate that advance. They do so with passion and enthusiasm, in pursuit of whatever values they themselves might hold important.

That's the power and the beauty of it.

replying #927,

Deception is inbuilt in Islam:-)

As I said earlier, Islam is political religion, it is for grabbing people and lands everywhere. Intellect is enemy of Islam, so it can never survive in Islamic lands.

So even if you replace the existing set of muslims with brand new highly intelligent muslims, you will see an amazingly quick degradation.

If you try to have a unbiased look at Islam (means when you don't try to be humble an don't care how many people around you are muslims), you can't say anything definitely good about Islam but you can say things that are bad for certain.

And I ask several questions to show how Islam hijacks muslims and not the other way round. Murad Baig will be happy in saying otherwise all the time. He can write any number of articles in saying that muslims hijacked Islam, but all those arguments in such articles are good for only people who are very economical with reasoning and are not for intelligent people. It seems his non-practicing is half hearted he is still not out of his ego attached to and constantly hurt by what Islam is.

There is no way an un-biased person will reason that Islam gets hijacked by muslims. Muslims got hijacked by Islam from the very beginning.

Re: # 925
Laddu ji if any body is plate Pisser its YOU .

I salute the Indian Hindu Muslim And otherIndia who do not think like you .Murad is more comfartable with Indians than Pseudo 'Indian' like you taking away from country being even less than the soldier and farmers remainig in India running the day to day work of country .They actually dont have issue .you in your right are no less than violent jehadist dhimmitude terorising militant in stigating than Jinnah your nemesis

.If you have issue with Saudi Arabia Or pakistan take agun & fight wih them.

You are Sanatan dharmi good .how is it that any other dharam(religion ) according to you are less. There might be all the beuties in any dharam but non practitioneer do not see it .Why dont you stop your public soul searching trying to find for your self to some where .while not maurading everthing else inits like a elephant .

I know you are good person and just playing devil advocte in your free time so peace

May be every artice ,reference written by him has been biased wrong and fabricated .Its no ore than or even less than graphic put down on U.P.
or f.P is the finals and U.P. the semi finals .more crucial to score the final goal in the F.P. ..Rainbow ikon

Re: # 927
DM sb I undersand you point from past .But isnt there is similar restriction among practicing Hindu not be able to marry Any one .As i understand a preist or society will sanction marriage of higher caste (brahmin) boy with lower caste girl if they agree .I do not know if Muslim boy marries lower caste or not .But moulvi des not ask the bride to be of higher caste

Of course the marriage act renders both hindu & muslim couple free from Preist or Nikah karoing Moulvi .

If the musliml start thinking like brahmin it would be worst b/c the moulvi will become like hindu purohits more selective of the bride.

Life is no pic nic for nonmuslim in Hindu dominated country .Its not by choice they are stuck in this rut.its of question of having to be under microscope of Majority .

There are far more basic requirement for muslim than marry hindu girl.

eklavya:

". In many ways, it is as irresistable a force to 'others' as it is for its own adherents"

How can any self-respecting 'others' accept this? Muradbhai would have had no problem finding a maulvi to do his nikah with a hindu girl (presuming he did have a nikah, which he may or may not have) but his sister (presuming he has one) would never find a mullah to do a nikah with a hindu boy (presuming she wanted to), and this in a predominantly hindu country. Murad and other apologists of islam will blame it on the mullahs and not accept that this (what you call 'penis jihad') is embedded in the religion itself. This is why a non-practising Jinnah could marry the daughter of a Parsee but disowned his daughter when she wanted to marry a parsee boy.

PM Bhai,

I guess, in capturing that sense of perfection the closest one comes, in another situation, would be something like a 'perfect strategy' in game theoretic framework. Essentially, such a strategy would (1) address ALL possible situations (be most comprehensive), and (2) be designed to assure ultimate victory/domination in every case.

Depending upon one's pov, such a strategy must appear as greatest or the most perfect evil, or the greatest and most perfect good, beauty, or truth.

There is no point in discussion. Against plate pissers what works is Danda. Putin's Russia and the PRC have despite the ummah, managed to crush the islamists in Chechnya and Xinjiang

Muradbhai,

Islamist come in many shades. The deadly one is the one who is non-precticing, eg Draculla, Qayde Azam. Islam stands for Imperialim.

Until you tell us more about how you raised / are raising your kids, your essays are merely talk of what flavour of ice cream you like, what decor you like in Janana and which restaurant's buryani you like. All those things are nice to know but not useful to humanity.

Your words on Bramhinism or Sanatan Dharma is only rhetoric played to the gallery of bullshitters like you.

Re: # 922 Pappuji says: "Truth is god for me."

And I say you are one funny pappu!

Middle finger to God/Truth,

Truth is god for me. When you do not face and accept, I feel you are not golden finger but showing middle finger to the truth/god.

PM,

"Pappu bhai, surely the value of a 1,400 year old system and culture must be judged on more than "its" performance in a mere decade??"

The decade is easy to tackle in terms of physical evidences and we dont have to rely on some king's Nama. Abrahmic religions are merely legions for exploitation, slavery and imperialism. Instead of some relying on history written by paid writers, I would rather backtrack for present reality. Is there a Muslim democracy? It's even dificult to have democracy where there is staunch Catholicism.

Re: # 914 Says pappuji: "Middle finger to God,

An individual did a crime and getting punishment for it. What does it have to with their ethnicity? Answer this question:

Followers of which religion/dharma/ism/faith have have killed/harmed innocent people of other faith at the place of their worship, in last decade?

Do you see Islam in the mirror?"

Well pappuji in case you were trying to rile my emotions by invoking religious insults like "middle finger to God" etc please don't waste your efforts, because I personally think all religions are a bunch of fairy tales, and I think I can't bring myself around to believing in any one of the fairy tales, and I am quite un-fazed by such invocations. I don't care whether you feel that your soul is cleansed more by drinking a cup of golden urine, or it is by banging your head on the floor 5 times a day, which are personal things between you and whatever you believe in...what matters is the being inside. Religions have caused the worst strife throughout history and thus to human life...and probably more strife has been caused by those who profess Christianity than any other religion, may be even in the last decade as well, if you wish to judge it from then. This probably has to do with who wields more power at what time. Your kind, not being the aggressive fighting types have always relied more on your skills of trickery and treachery. Once, as I already told you, were times when the sect of "Thugs" was in ascendancy practicing their tricks of guile and treachery or "thuggee", who were past masters at befriending people and then killing them with a silk handkerchief after gaining their total trust, and the Guinness book of world records credits this sect,which actually was a band of organized serial killers with 2000,000 deaths over the ages. These thugs worshiped the Black Goddess called Kali. Thus no religion has its hands free from the blood of others...some by force and conquests, some by guile and treachery.

As for the individual's crime, you yourself were producing individual Pakistani criminals from the west to me and saying that Indians don't commit crimes but Pakistanis do, and I just wanted to present proof to you that Indians do it too!

Muradbhai,

Your post 915 is like 8/11/47 speech of the draculla. Lot of nice sounding empty words! Draculla sucked the blood of millons and because of him common Pakistani poor Abdul is still suffering and rich Ahmed is selling his mother.

Instead of this std X essay, would you please answer the questions I asked, so that we would know you are not yet another plate pissser Islamist. Tell us more about how you raised your kids so that they turn out into the rootless/cultureless draculla or Pandher of Noida. Tomorrow even Pandher from Stephen College can come and give us lecture on beef/port eating, architecure, human anatomy and secularism. Tell us more about progressive actions you have taken to treat your wife equally, to reach out to the majority of the land and contributed to enlihtenment of te majority or your wife's community. Did you conduct science fair at your wife's native village on the day of Dassahara or Ganesh Chaturthi?

"All the professional priests also dissuaded their followers from music and art and in enjoying themselves instead of spending time at their places of worship. Even Coffee houses were banned in Europe."

Make a small correction "proiests" to "priests of Abrahmic religions". Indian music, dance, painting, sculpture and drama is originated in temple. http://www.nadsadhna.com/originofindianmusic.html
http://www.hss.iitb.ac.in/cou rses/HS450/notes2.htm

Tell us more about your "worship", hope it's not war-ship against the native culture and plain old plate pissing.

Rest of your post is full pf too many "I" wale sentences. Are you some shehenshah?

Eklavya sahib,

re. #912, you were more than lucid. Thanks so much for taking the time.

If I may summarize (just to ensure I understand), you seem to be saying that (1) Islam is eminently internally consistent, (2) addresses the human situation in a wholesome manner, and (3) addresses its role w.r.t outsiders quite comprehensively.

I quite agree with the first two points, and even, in a sense, with the third. Only, I can't quite understand the use of the word 'perfect' with the third. Is everything that attempts, and almost reaches, comprehensiveness 'perfect'?

re. pappu #914:
"Followers of which religion/dharma/ism/faith have have killed/harmed innocent people of other faith at the place of their worship, in last decade?"

Pappu bhai, surely the value of a 1,400 year old system and culture must be judged on more than "its" performance in a mere decade??