Freud and Jung and Their Secret Affairs

Re: # 114 Pappu

I may be able to explain better if you tell me which faith you follow? And what bothers you about belief or God or whatever?

I don't know what more precise answers are you looking for since what you ask HAS ALREADY BEEN answered by God in the Qur'an. Do read it please.

Regards.

Re: # 113 Majumdar sahib,
Monsoon greetings!

"God's Word does not show you the way to physical nearness; only sufis do and this is a fraud!"

THIS is my complete statement which speaks of the fraudulent promises of merging with Allah, receving commands from the Prophet, and other illusions.

The passivity and inaction of sufism has corroded Islam from within, THAT is what I mean here.

Most of this peeri-mureedi business leads one to virtual asceticism and other spiritual pitfalls which the Qur'an warns against. One can only say THIS if one studies a few of their 'masters' to know why these 'poNhchay huway' folks were always chased out from far-off lands into the spiritual fun-land called India!

Islam does not rely on 'pirs', and Muhammad (peace on him) was NOT a sufi; these folks fool the masses by saying that he was!

And last but not least, we need to follow the 'sunnah' and NOT the 'tareeqa' (method) of some dead saint! I know that Mr. Naqshbandi will now wish to grab my throat!

May the purity of God's Way thrive and help us survive sensibly.

Regards.

zeemax: Thanks for your concern. No, I do not tend to waste my time on ad infinitum arguments. I do my work in my small way and worry not about others. However, I consider a well presented criticism a boon as it is a worthy opponent which helps build your endowment. Naïve I am, but not stupid.
I do not read all interactions or profiles at Chowk to see who stands for what - mostly I read interactions directed to me and some iLogs / FPs which may catch my interest. So often I do not know who is who at the Chowk. I do not judge people based on their convictions and beliefs. I judge on their character.
And I recall this example of the character of the Messenger. A woman used to throw house-trash over Prophet’s head every time he passed through her street. One day she did not - and he became concerned that she might be ill and stopped and asked for her well being and prayed for her.
A man like this, and in spite of all his kindness, integrity and honesty, he was persecuted and ridiculed and has to leave his home in the wake of an assassination plot. In the end, it was his character which won him his triumph. And when he conquered Mecca, he forgave all his tormenters. We forget those things and only recall other things out of context and make ourselves hostage to our own mistaken beliefs.
Quran is filled with advices to the Prophet and his followers for gentleness, forgiveness, and accommodation – and speaking gracefully (of which Quran itself is the epitome). Above all, the essence of Quran is love – but this is not understood easily. Who can lift the veil?

quin Mian,

Don't waste your time with murtids. All you're doing is giving them opportunity to poke holes in your argument whenever you slip up, and you take that as encouragement in your naivete.

Keep Faith to yourself, if you have one.

# 105: SR
Thank you for your encouraging and heartwarming comments. Just would like to add that I intend not to promote any cause, nor defend anything. It was coincidental that I was thrown into this discussion. All I hope is that at some point I may be able to contribute to make this common heritage of humanity (or common humanity’s heritage) accessible to a modern reader who may be of a secular or liberal mindset and to make it more understandable for a reader who may want to delve more in its spiritual aspect. I strive to share my sense of appreciation with a reader who is curious about this phenomenal Book. It would be enough for me if I am able to achieve a fraction of this. I am working on a book idea. Thank you again for appreciating.

#104 Quin, Excellent post.... I appreciate the fact that you didn't get personal... And I do like the literary value of it...


#103 Nature Lover, If finding the peace of heart is the purpose of religion, it could be achieved through Marijuana too... Religion is a drug for middle class... Keep them afraid of imaginary God and then keep on controlling them....

Tahir, you seriously need to consult Dr. Sohail... Your brain doesn't seem to have ability to channelize your ideas into words... May be, over-addiction to religion...

Tahir,

"God's Word does not show you the way to physical nearness;"

What do you mean? Let me repeat the question:
Do you think people can reach to the god without reading a book, without going to temples, churches and mosques or listening to some one?

"His description is veiled in allegory in the Qur'an and is like the similitude of a believer's heart in which remembrance and gratitude reside."

What do you mean? Please define similitude, remembrance and gratitude, better yet how is it done in all mundane activities.

Tahir mian,

(only sufis do and this is a fraud!)

Are you suggesting that sufis are frauds? If so what do you make of the Barelvi sect of Islam?

Regards

Re: # 111 Pappu, the genuine inquirer,

Walaikom namastay!

I can see that you do have the urge to find out, which is healthier than just living comfortably with being born a 'Syed'!

"Do you think people can reach to the god without reading a book, without going to temples, churches and mosques or listening to some one?"

God's Word does not show you the way to physical nearness; only sufis do and this is a fraud!

One school of thought says one WILL see God on Judgement Day while the other says one will NOT! The latter makes sense because the Creator does not need to come INTO the physical sphere of His creation i.e mankind!

He is unlike His creation, His needs are only partially known, and He does not depend on His creation for anything, and does not reveal His secrets to the vulgar and the profane. This theme has been dealt with in Surah Ikhlaas (chapter 112) of the Qur'an.

"What is god? Is he in human form? Does he speak only one language? Is he located only at one place?"

His description is veiled in allegory in the Qur'an and is like the similitude of a believer's heart in which remembrance and gratitude reside. Looking for a God-like old bearded man on Mount Olympus is futile. This is all Hollywood stuff. There's no need to start a God-hunt. Countless men have gone crazy doing just that!

I guess you will benefit greatly if you pick up the Qur'an and start reading!

Regards.

Qur'an 24:35
Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche and within it a lamp: the Lamp enclosed in Glass: the glass as it were a brilliant star: lit from a blessed Tree an Olive neither of the East nor of the West whose Oil is well-nigh luminous though fire scarce touched it: Light upon Light! Allah doth guide whom He will to His Light. Allah doth set forth Parables for men: and Allah doth know all things.

Tahir,

Do you think people can reach to the god without reading a book, without going to temples, churches and mosques or listening to some one?

What is god? Is he in human form? Does he speak only one language? Is he located only at one place?

Genuine inquiry!

Namaste!

Re: # 103 Natural Lover

Thanks for the desired and appreciated 'input' to Charlie-Girl!

E=MC2 solves all her PMS-menopause related problems!

But beware, there's this squared 'MC' attached to the 'E' which I don't like!

Re: # 102 Charlir-Girl

"Quran is not even an original book."

The Book itself admits that the corruptions of previous revelations stand corrected, that the eternal truths remain the same, that Allah's Way (sunnah Allah) never changes, and a whole lot more. Had you followed IQRA (read with understanding), you wouldn't be wasting time here. It's God's Word against yours. Your words have no meaning or authority!

"It doesn't stand anywhere from a literary point of view... Half of it is copied from bible... Rest of it is useless , pointless effort to be poetic."

These silly views have been expresse by many but still don't change a thing. You are neither a grown man who would weep hearing these verses, nor tremble with gratitude to your Creator.

"Remember "Al qaria tu ma al-qaria, wa ma adraak a ma-alqaria ?" I mean what a useless verse is it... If I don't know what is "Al Qaria", why Muhammad has to repeat it thrice before coming to the point"

There's another similar chapter too, in case you missed the point of repetition! Some pretender (just like MGAQ) did come up with verses that derided the ones you mention. But that ancient fool is forgotten whereas Prophet Muhammad (peace on him) is remembered with global and eternal reverence! Go live with this Charlie-girl.

"And then you claim nobody can come up with even a single verse like that..."

This is Allah's claim, go fight with HIm with all your might.

Enough? Or do you need more baby?

Re: # 100 Asadi sahib,
As-salaam Alaikom.

Thanks for supporting my views which are NOT always my own but rather Allah's descriptions of these luke-warm Muslims. One 'aqeedat-mand' even accused me of being hypnotised by Geeta or being a Hindu deep inside. Of course I was born near the Indu river, and only THIS way I'm an Indu!

Ah! How the luke-warm Muslim weapons inspectors fail to find WMDs in my backpack!

REQUEST: Please 'fand ailma' all the 'F's you use! Your posts will then carry greater roar.

Re: # 99 You-are-a-Charlie-Girl

"How come people are so dumb to believe in a 1400 years old book"

There are people who believe in older material. You're insulting all of them.

"quarter of which was eaten by goats, one third was lost because it was stored on broken pieces of jars/glasses and tree leaves..."

Keep believing in these hadith-based fairy-tales. Do you know how the unbelievers accused the Prophet of 'having written it down with his own hands'? Dig the real meaning of the word 'ummi' and come back Charlie-girl.

"Rest of it was compiled by some caliph decades after..."

Saved from corruption is more like it. You don't know what you're talking about!

Re: # 98 ZeeMax sahib,
As-salaam Alaikom.

"Have you read 'Of Mice and Men' by Steinbeck?

No, I'm busy dissecting the mice here, although the fake surgeon from Down-Underwear ought to be doing just that!

"Lots of men (and women) read you and appreciate what you convey, as well as the style you use to convey the same. Besides, you have never been abusive in the first place while all your detractors have."

Here detractors; a genuine testimonial! Now don't you mice dare go after 'Get Smart' ZeeMax!

The guardians of indecency and immorality are like little children who, when justifiably spanked, go around shouting, 'Help! Child-abuse!'

Regards.

Re: # 104 quin

Thank you for a very well articulated message. Your argument and style are worthy of respect and are much more likely to stir interest and curiosity about exploring the hidden treasures of the Quran by an open minded and neutral person than the angry rantings of others. If more Muslims who advocate the beauty and truthfulness of the Quran had an approach like yours, Islam would see far fewer detractors than is presently the case. I hope that you will serve as a model and inspiration to others who are too steeped in their small minded and egotistical argumentativeness to do justice to their cause. Defenders of Quran like yourself do far more honor to their faith and its founder than others who take an antagonistic approach.

Thanks for setting a respectable standard.

...SR