Freud and Jung and Their Secret Affairs

Al Qu’ariah (Sura 101)

"O the noise and clamour
What is that day of noise and clamour
Only if one could say.
What is that tumultuous day.
When men will be like a scattered moth
And the mountains like a tattered cloth.
And those whose balance will weigh so
To comforting pleasures they will go.
And those whose balance will not weigh
For them a deep abyss will wait.
And do you know what is that pit,
And the fierce inferno lit in it?

The above is my rendition of that powerful Surah (101).
Most have no idea about the beauty of Quran. You need heightened aesthetic sense and well developed literary mind to be able to appreciate it. And most of all you need to have an open and seeking heart - not ensnared in ego trap. Neither are such high thoughts accessible to those who totally rely on logical and linear thinking. You need to go beyond the words. You must be able to dive like a scuba diver into the very depths of the source of that intelligence. Mostly people see the surface only - including many who believe and even are inspired by it - but still are unable to go beyond the surface.
Most cannot recognize the fountains of spirituality which are gushing every where in Quran. Some are blessed to drink from it - some drinks only coca cola.

There are books much ancient than Quran - safe and preserved - and revered. What is harm in benefiting from the wisdom available to us on those pages of Quran? What is the use of arguing about trifles and not enjoy the bounty.

The irony is that Quran is not just a book – for Rumi’s it was a beloved and Rumi said 'it (Quran) unveils itself only to the willing ...' Do you get it? Who can get it without aesthetics?
And Iqbal's father said to him, 'you will know Quran only when you will feel it being revealed to your heart ...' Do you get it? Who can get it but a lover?
So there is no point talking about Quran ...
It will not show its reality to the unwilling ...
It will not reveal itself to stiffened hearts …
When it touches, it changes life ... but it touches not the one who are unclean ... (unclean was not meant literal - it is cleanliness of heart - like when someone went to a Bhudda monk, and the monk kept pouring tea in his already filled cup and the seeker asked and he said, if your cup is not empty how can I give you any) - that kind of cleanliness - it is not wuzdu - it is washing clean of your heart of ego so that reality can reveal itself to you)
So what is the use of talking about Quran and Mohammad and Islam - The ultimate reality takes care of itself - who am I to tell anyone anything - Even Prophet was reminded not to agonize and just say things nicely - just deliver the message – and the Truth will find its way where it will - why I would worry. I am not given the task. I am not Mohammad. Yes, I will say truth which I see but I won't be agonizing. Why should I? I am not the disposer of any one’s affairs.
I believe, nay, I know, I know for sure like I know the day light that this E=mc2 of spirituality flashes truth to those eyes who can see that realm of nuclear fusion and fission and can sustain the view. And this same blast of light renders blind those who do not have capacity to look at such glare. They can only read neon signs.

PS: I am posting this interact as iLog. I will not reply through interacts here. It is not relevant to the topic of the article. If you would like to reply on this, please do it on my iLog. Love and peace to all ...

Reply to # 102 of Charlie :

Dear Charlie what made you to change your Lahori or Pakistani name and considering yourself as Charlie..??

If you live in Canada for thousand years and if you use tons of fairy and lovely cream , and if you rub yourself thousand times with scholars like Dr Sohail ,and if you openly redicule Islam and Pakistan to please white men..even then White woman or man will never consider you as one of them..

Quran also says " Ala bayzikrillah e tatma e nyl Qalub " Verily hearts find peace in the rememberance of Allah.

One billion people find peace of heart by remembering name of Allah,..

On the other hand business of Dr sohail and his anti Psychotic pills thrive when morning after pills fail.

And when your heart needs solace and soothing effect , do you think , recitation of E = MC2 will give you peace of heart and mind.

Regards,

#100 go F yourself fool before comment on a book you know nothing about,

Masadi Yaar, Why shouldn't I comment on a book? After all, people write reviews for books and express their likes and dislike... Why my opinion makes your blood pressure go out of control ... :)


Quran is not even an original book... It doesn't stand anywhere from a literary point of view... Half of it is copied from bible... Rest of it is useless , pointless effort to be poetic... Remember "Al qaria tu ma al-qaria, wa ma adraak a ma-alqaria ?" I mean what a useless verse is it... If I don't know what is "Al Qaria", why Muhammad has to repeat it thrice before coming to the point... And then you claim nobody can come up with even a single verse like that...

E=mc2 is probably a much better verse... No stupid repetition, no effort to confuse people and no effort to spread terror of Hell and Fire...

In #100, "his cheap reliance on what the so-called "historians" have invented regarding its history in order to legitimize their own BS through imaginary "lost verses" of the Quran, reveals that quite aptly

Charlie writes to Tahir "How come people are so dumb to believe in a 1400 years old book..."

First, in order to claim that certain people are "dumb" to believe in something, the one making the claim should have read what he claims is "dumb", which this fool has not. He does not know and has not read the Quran, his cheap reliance on what the so-called "historians" have invented regarding its history in order to legitimize their own BS through imaginary "lost verses" of the Quran.

Second, any damn fool can understand why Tahir is quoting verses, he is not quoting them to convince dumb f'ck nonbelivers like Charlie, he is quoting them to convince those who already accept the book as authority, a very valid use of quotation of verses, but this fool does not have a clue regarding rudimentary argumentation. My advice to him is a very polite, go F yourself fool before comment on a book you know nothing about, the morality and literary value of which neither you nor your entire generations past and future cannot match....

Re: # 93 Verses blah blah blah and blah...

How come people are so dumb to believe in a 1400 years old book quarter of which was eaten by goats, one third was lost because it was stored on broken pieces of jars/glasses and tree leaves... Rest of it was compiled by some caliph decades after it was "written" by Muhammad.

tahir Saheb,

Have you read 'Of Mice and Men' by Steinbeck? That's true about Chowk. Forget the mice. Lots of men (and women) read you and appreciate what you convey, as well as the style you use to convey the same. Besides, you have never been abusive in the first place while all your detractors have.

Re: # 91 Quin

Look I addressed you as QUIN, after all!

"Tahir is doing disservice to his own passionate cause. And over time, he will most probably learn"

The truth of what Tahir is or is not doing is known to him and Allah alone. Let the analysis-game be played by Baba 'case' of Toronto, why must you make me lie on the couch?

Like Mr. Gill and others, you too have missed the (real) insults hurled at me for defending Islam.

Read #93 to see why I do what I do.

Re: # 86 Sohail Rabbani

You're taking pot-shots at me because once when you said something silly, I asked you to reflect on your surname RABB-ANI!

"I'm ashamed of you. The articulate, intelligent and sensitive Tahir that I thought I had first seen on Chowk was a breath of fresh air."

Don't be, SR! I am highly readable when I write! Stay tuned for more.

"a tree is know by its fruits. Is this the image you want to project about your faith and its founder"

You haven't really tasted the fruit you so lovingly condemn SR! Read my post #93 please. And since when have YOU become a defender? If you have, stand up like a man to be counted instead of hiding behind whatever or whoever.

"there will be no one left who will lend an attentive ear to your preechings?

We shall see SR! Being decent does not mean taking one's pants off to let others do what they please.

My chastity-belt is glued to my trousers in case, you failed to notice.

Ta-ta

Re: # 88 Mr. Gill

I'm addressing you to protest against what YOU and your supporters label as 'abuse'. My answers and rebuttals are not abuse, rather anti-Islam hackers' ranting is exactly that! Did you miss THEIR MC-BC type abuse?

I've seen this attitude and protested against it and ChowQ did take delayed action, in case you failed to see that.

And how could you miss--leave alone defend--reading the filth hurled (by those you defend) at my family?

I have carefully noted who you're siding with, and hope that your needle will start pointing in the direction of the TRUE Qiblah so that it does good to you in the end.

Ta-ta.

A kangaroo from down-underwear says I'm an Asadite!

Well, Asad means: lion! A lion always roars! But wolves hunt in packs, especially at ChowQ.

An Asadite always spanks Sodomites for a good reason.

Re: # 90
As-salaam Alakaikm Asadi sahib,

I have read and do understand what you say; these OTHERS don't!

As long as one spits out against Pakistan and Islam, one is reagrded as a likeable writer/interacter, but as soon as one takes on these paid agents (or 'shaiytani khidmatgaars'), they ERUPT! All of them have had a synchronised ERUPTION but their Mount Vesuvius will bury them in Pompeii.

My arguements and guidance comes from THE source and I would like to draw the unkind attention of my bitter opponents to the following verses now.

48:29
MUHAMMAD is God's Apostle; and those who are [truly] with him are firm and unyielding towards all deniers of the truth, [yet] full of mercy towards one another. Thou canst see them bowing down, prostrating themselves [in prayer], seeking favour with God and [His] goodly acceptance: their marks are on their faces, traced by prostration.

This is their parable in the Torah as well as their parable in the Gospel: [they are] like a seed that brings forth its shoot, and then He strengthens it, so that it grows stout, and [in the end] stands firm upon its stem, delighting the sowers....

[Thus will God cause the believers to grow in strength,] so that through them He might confound the deniers of the truth. [But] unto such of them as may [yet] attain to faith and do righteous deeds, God has promised forgiveness and a reward supreme.

5:54
O you who have attained to faith! If you ever abandon your faith, God will in time bring forth [in your stead] people whom He loves and who love Him - humble towards the believers, proud towards all who deny the truth: [people] who strive hard in God's cause, and do not fear to be censured by anyone who might censure them: such is God's favour, which He grants unto whom He wills. And God is infinite, all-knowing.

So you see, their utterences and blasphemies are recorded here at ChowQ (note the 'Q'), and on Judgment Day they will have their DVDs hanging by their necks; the RECORD will be played out and weighed in God's Balance.

While I need not reach for my handgun every time they insult Islam and God, it is the sign of a weak Muslim to allow such non-sense. It is the true Muslims that strike terror in the hearts of unbelievers.

As far as I'm concerned, they can live their rotten far-from-the-Motherland lives anyway they like but need to refrain from insulting Islam or joining others who do.

As for non-writers becoming (fifth) columnists at ChowQ, this disease is spread evenly all over the western-controlled media.

May Allah bless those who believe in all that He wants us to believe in, refrain from what He forbids and fully indulge in what He permits. And for His deniers and 'Hizb al-shaiytan', who am I to say more? The Qur'an is sufficient, and the definitions complete in their description; it is THESE that makes them ERUPT!

Monsoon regards.

Thanks for bringing these aspects of Freud and Jung to light.

Folks, folks, folks, calm down. Such angst is not salt's worth. Ironically, here is my penny’s worth.
There is no doubt that everyone crave for respect. And I absolutely do not condone the profanities or objectionable language. But respect usually is earned - and not commanded. And I do think Tahir is doing disservice to his own passionate cause. And over time, he will most probably learn where his heart’s seeking truly lies – for now he has got ensnared in a place from which he cannot get himself free. He is a seeker like everyone else, like Dr. Sohail (in a different vein – I know what all this going to bring to me – but intellectual honesty is the first and foremost for me – I can be abrasive – I may be misunderstood - but I will not be dishonest – I have no other intentions than to just contribute my penny’s worth – so I will not be dishonest)
I was saying that both are seekers but are ensnared in traps of their egos. I myself struggle with this ego thing. We all have our egos (please please please ego is not used here in negative sense – it is our persona which traps us into believing it as our ultimate reality –it is a formation of psyche which takes shape only in relation (interaction) with others – We almost live in others – take out others and we are no more)
Anyway, we very easily become ensnared in our egos. Because we live in others. That is the problem which happens everywhere and Chowk is no exception but at Chowk it becomes more intensely visible due to nature of the media or medium.
Think about Chowk. As its name implies it is place of crossing roads and to do some tit-e-tete. And chair chaar. And gup shup. And yes, on one corner someone may be doing some serious stuff, or not so serious, and folks may gather around to listen to his or her wonderful creations and give daad and all that. But it is a chowk true to its name. There are many serious sites, which control the quality of articles and quality of interacts – but they are not called Chowk. (Unfortunately very few from South East Asian background. Though one I have heard is ‘Khabar’ – anyone tried that?) Now back to Chowk. So when you come to Chowk you may be very moazzaz Lukhnavi hazrat or something but don’t expect that you are in divan khana. You are at chowk. Now please I am not condoning bad language. I have never used such – even in my abrasiveness – as I have said elsewhere, there is not even enough time in this short life to love, how we can afford to fight – but at the same time we cannot afford to be dishonest.
Back to respect. There are two respects. Lip service respect and genuine respect. You may be sweet like gulab jaman, but you may be straight like julaibee. If your actions speak disrespect, what is point of lecturing about respect?
I here ask a straight question to Dr. Sohail. In my previous interact I asked you to show me the link and the supporting material in the article to illustrate that Freud and Jung’s PERSONAL conflicts had any bearing in SHAPING OF THEIR IDEAS? You chose to ignore this question. Do you think I see it as respect to your reader / critic? Is that called carrying on of genuine dialogue?

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