Freud and Jung and Their Secret Affairs

Re: # 91 Quin

Look I addressed you as QUIN, after all!

"Tahir is doing disservice to his own passionate cause. And over time, he will most probably learn"

The truth of what Tahir is or is not doing is known to him and Allah alone. Let the analysis-game be played by Baba 'case' of Toronto, why must you make me lie on the couch?

Like Mr. Gill and others, you too have missed the (real) insults hurled at me for defending Islam.

Read #93 to see why I do what I do.

tahir Saheb,

Have you read 'Of Mice and Men' by Steinbeck? That's true about Chowk. Forget the mice. Lots of men (and women) read you and appreciate what you convey, as well as the style you use to convey the same. Besides, you have never been abusive in the first place while all your detractors have.

Re: # 93 Verses blah blah blah and blah...

How come people are so dumb to believe in a 1400 years old book quarter of which was eaten by goats, one third was lost because it was stored on broken pieces of jars/glasses and tree leaves... Rest of it was compiled by some caliph decades after it was "written" by Muhammad.

Charlie writes to Tahir "How come people are so dumb to believe in a 1400 years old book..."

First, in order to claim that certain people are "dumb" to believe in something, the one making the claim should have read what he claims is "dumb", which this fool has not. He does not know and has not read the Quran, his cheap reliance on what the so-called "historians" have invented regarding its history in order to legitimize their own BS through imaginary "lost verses" of the Quran.

Second, any damn fool can understand why Tahir is quoting verses, he is not quoting them to convince dumb f'ck nonbelivers like Charlie, he is quoting them to convince those who already accept the book as authority, a very valid use of quotation of verses, but this fool does not have a clue regarding rudimentary argumentation. My advice to him is a very polite, go F yourself fool before comment on a book you know nothing about, the morality and literary value of which neither you nor your entire generations past and future cannot match....

In #100, "his cheap reliance on what the so-called "historians" have invented regarding its history in order to legitimize their own BS through imaginary "lost verses" of the Quran, reveals that quite aptly

#100 go F yourself fool before comment on a book you know nothing about,

Masadi Yaar, Why shouldn't I comment on a book? After all, people write reviews for books and express their likes and dislike... Why my opinion makes your blood pressure go out of control ... :)


Quran is not even an original book... It doesn't stand anywhere from a literary point of view... Half of it is copied from bible... Rest of it is useless , pointless effort to be poetic... Remember "Al qaria tu ma al-qaria, wa ma adraak a ma-alqaria ?" I mean what a useless verse is it... If I don't know what is "Al Qaria", why Muhammad has to repeat it thrice before coming to the point... And then you claim nobody can come up with even a single verse like that...

E=mc2 is probably a much better verse... No stupid repetition, no effort to confuse people and no effort to spread terror of Hell and Fire...

Reply to # 102 of Charlie :

Dear Charlie what made you to change your Lahori or Pakistani name and considering yourself as Charlie..??

If you live in Canada for thousand years and if you use tons of fairy and lovely cream , and if you rub yourself thousand times with scholars like Dr Sohail ,and if you openly redicule Islam and Pakistan to please white men..even then White woman or man will never consider you as one of them..

Quran also says " Ala bayzikrillah e tatma e nyl Qalub " Verily hearts find peace in the rememberance of Allah.

One billion people find peace of heart by remembering name of Allah,..

On the other hand business of Dr sohail and his anti Psychotic pills thrive when morning after pills fail.

And when your heart needs solace and soothing effect , do you think , recitation of E = MC2 will give you peace of heart and mind.

Regards,

Al Qu’ariah (Sura 101)

"O the noise and clamour
What is that day of noise and clamour
Only if one could say.
What is that tumultuous day.
When men will be like a scattered moth
And the mountains like a tattered cloth.
And those whose balance will weigh so
To comforting pleasures they will go.
And those whose balance will not weigh
For them a deep abyss will wait.
And do you know what is that pit,
And the fierce inferno lit in it?

The above is my rendition of that powerful Surah (101).
Most have no idea about the beauty of Quran. You need heightened aesthetic sense and well developed literary mind to be able to appreciate it. And most of all you need to have an open and seeking heart - not ensnared in ego trap. Neither are such high thoughts accessible to those who totally rely on logical and linear thinking. You need to go beyond the words. You must be able to dive like a scuba diver into the very depths of the source of that intelligence. Mostly people see the surface only - including many who believe and even are inspired by it - but still are unable to go beyond the surface.
Most cannot recognize the fountains of spirituality which are gushing every where in Quran. Some are blessed to drink from it - some drinks only coca cola.

There are books much ancient than Quran - safe and preserved - and revered. What is harm in benefiting from the wisdom available to us on those pages of Quran? What is the use of arguing about trifles and not enjoy the bounty.

The irony is that Quran is not just a book – for Rumi’s it was a beloved and Rumi said 'it (Quran) unveils itself only to the willing ...' Do you get it? Who can get it without aesthetics?
And Iqbal's father said to him, 'you will know Quran only when you will feel it being revealed to your heart ...' Do you get it? Who can get it but a lover?
So there is no point talking about Quran ...
It will not show its reality to the unwilling ...
It will not reveal itself to stiffened hearts …
When it touches, it changes life ... but it touches not the one who are unclean ... (unclean was not meant literal - it is cleanliness of heart - like when someone went to a Bhudda monk, and the monk kept pouring tea in his already filled cup and the seeker asked and he said, if your cup is not empty how can I give you any) - that kind of cleanliness - it is not wuzdu - it is washing clean of your heart of ego so that reality can reveal itself to you)
So what is the use of talking about Quran and Mohammad and Islam - The ultimate reality takes care of itself - who am I to tell anyone anything - Even Prophet was reminded not to agonize and just say things nicely - just deliver the message – and the Truth will find its way where it will - why I would worry. I am not given the task. I am not Mohammad. Yes, I will say truth which I see but I won't be agonizing. Why should I? I am not the disposer of any one’s affairs.
I believe, nay, I know, I know for sure like I know the day light that this E=mc2 of spirituality flashes truth to those eyes who can see that realm of nuclear fusion and fission and can sustain the view. And this same blast of light renders blind those who do not have capacity to look at such glare. They can only read neon signs.

PS: I am posting this interact as iLog. I will not reply through interacts here. It is not relevant to the topic of the article. If you would like to reply on this, please do it on my iLog. Love and peace to all ...

Re: # 104 quin

Thank you for a very well articulated message. Your argument and style are worthy of respect and are much more likely to stir interest and curiosity about exploring the hidden treasures of the Quran by an open minded and neutral person than the angry rantings of others. If more Muslims who advocate the beauty and truthfulness of the Quran had an approach like yours, Islam would see far fewer detractors than is presently the case. I hope that you will serve as a model and inspiration to others who are too steeped in their small minded and egotistical argumentativeness to do justice to their cause. Defenders of Quran like yourself do far more honor to their faith and its founder than others who take an antagonistic approach.

Thanks for setting a respectable standard.

...SR

Re: # 98 ZeeMax sahib,
As-salaam Alaikom.

"Have you read 'Of Mice and Men' by Steinbeck?

No, I'm busy dissecting the mice here, although the fake surgeon from Down-Underwear ought to be doing just that!

"Lots of men (and women) read you and appreciate what you convey, as well as the style you use to convey the same. Besides, you have never been abusive in the first place while all your detractors have."

Here detractors; a genuine testimonial! Now don't you mice dare go after 'Get Smart' ZeeMax!

The guardians of indecency and immorality are like little children who, when justifiably spanked, go around shouting, 'Help! Child-abuse!'

Regards.

Re: # 99 You-are-a-Charlie-Girl

"How come people are so dumb to believe in a 1400 years old book"

There are people who believe in older material. You're insulting all of them.

"quarter of which was eaten by goats, one third was lost because it was stored on broken pieces of jars/glasses and tree leaves..."

Keep believing in these hadith-based fairy-tales. Do you know how the unbelievers accused the Prophet of 'having written it down with his own hands'? Dig the real meaning of the word 'ummi' and come back Charlie-girl.

"Rest of it was compiled by some caliph decades after..."

Saved from corruption is more like it. You don't know what you're talking about!

Re: # 100 Asadi sahib,
As-salaam Alaikom.

Thanks for supporting my views which are NOT always my own but rather Allah's descriptions of these luke-warm Muslims. One 'aqeedat-mand' even accused me of being hypnotised by Geeta or being a Hindu deep inside. Of course I was born near the Indu river, and only THIS way I'm an Indu!

Ah! How the luke-warm Muslim weapons inspectors fail to find WMDs in my backpack!

REQUEST: Please 'fand ailma' all the 'F's you use! Your posts will then carry greater roar.

Re: # 102 Charlir-Girl

"Quran is not even an original book."

The Book itself admits that the corruptions of previous revelations stand corrected, that the eternal truths remain the same, that Allah's Way (sunnah Allah) never changes, and a whole lot more. Had you followed IQRA (read with understanding), you wouldn't be wasting time here. It's God's Word against yours. Your words have no meaning or authority!

"It doesn't stand anywhere from a literary point of view... Half of it is copied from bible... Rest of it is useless , pointless effort to be poetic."

These silly views have been expresse by many but still don't change a thing. You are neither a grown man who would weep hearing these verses, nor tremble with gratitude to your Creator.

"Remember "Al qaria tu ma al-qaria, wa ma adraak a ma-alqaria ?" I mean what a useless verse is it... If I don't know what is "Al Qaria", why Muhammad has to repeat it thrice before coming to the point"

There's another similar chapter too, in case you missed the point of repetition! Some pretender (just like MGAQ) did come up with verses that derided the ones you mention. But that ancient fool is forgotten whereas Prophet Muhammad (peace on him) is remembered with global and eternal reverence! Go live with this Charlie-girl.

"And then you claim nobody can come up with even a single verse like that..."

This is Allah's claim, go fight with HIm with all your might.

Enough? Or do you need more baby?

Re: # 103 Natural Lover

Thanks for the desired and appreciated 'input' to Charlie-Girl!

E=MC2 solves all her PMS-menopause related problems!

But beware, there's this squared 'MC' attached to the 'E' which I don't like!

Tahir,

Do you think people can reach to the god without reading a book, without going to temples, churches and mosques or listening to some one?

What is god? Is he in human form? Does he speak only one language? Is he located only at one place?

Genuine inquiry!

Namaste!

Re: # 111 Pappu, the genuine inquirer,

Walaikom namastay!

I can see that you do have the urge to find out, which is healthier than just living comfortably with being born a 'Syed'!

"Do you think people can reach to the god without reading a book, without going to temples, churches and mosques or listening to some one?"

God's Word does not show you the way to physical nearness; only sufis do and this is a fraud!

One school of thought says one WILL see God on Judgement Day while the other says one will NOT! The latter makes sense because the Creator does not need to come INTO the physical sphere of His creation i.e mankind!

He is unlike His creation, His needs are only partially known, and He does not depend on His creation for anything, and does not reveal His secrets to the vulgar and the profane. This theme has been dealt with in Surah Ikhlaas (chapter 112) of the Qur'an.

"What is god? Is he in human form? Does he speak only one language? Is he located only at one place?"

His description is veiled in allegory in the Qur'an and is like the similitude of a believer's heart in which remembrance and gratitude reside. Looking for a God-like old bearded man on Mount Olympus is futile. This is all Hollywood stuff. There's no need to start a God-hunt. Countless men have gone crazy doing just that!

I guess you will benefit greatly if you pick up the Qur'an and start reading!

Regards.

Qur'an 24:35
Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The parable of His Light is as if there were a Niche and within it a lamp: the Lamp enclosed in Glass: the glass as it were a brilliant star: lit from a blessed Tree an Olive neither of the East nor of the West whose Oil is well-nigh luminous though fire scarce touched it: Light upon Light! Allah doth guide whom He will to His Light. Allah doth set forth Parables for men: and Allah doth know all things.