Who is Making the Oil Fume ?

Re: # 92
Jayp...
Yes. Pig is best red-meat producing animal as per as txing nature is concerned....

Re: # 98
Vengat...
Surely...
You can learn driving and get license within 2 months. The reverse is not true.

An interesting review of the meeting on Jun 22nd has been published by "Dawn". According to the report there has been a decrease in oil demand but the increased production could not arrest the price surge so far. There has also been increase in the investment in commodities and speculators are trading contracts all the way out to 2016.

The original report captioned " Saudi action fails to cool heating oil market" can be accessed at

http://www.dawn.com/2008/06/29/ebr5.htm

Re: # 98

All that I was trying to focus on is the wide income disparity even in teh cities, let alone in villages. It will take a very long time for india to have income levels comparable to the west. Essentially, if it is going to take 30 years, well we have no clue about teh type of employment, food habits, you name it. The ford, the maccers and the kfcs , the type of cars etc may not be there

" In Balgalore, you can still get a full time driver for Rs 5000 a month. If As I recall, a new graduate engineer in a public sector is paid only 10,000 a month as starting salary."


Are you implying drivers job is inferior to an engineer's job?

Re: # 96
Jayp...
Oh No sir...Starting salary of many of the MNCs are bellow the Graduate engineers in Govt. organisations...
The Basic Pay INR8000 is merged with DA. Grad engineers, basic pay is now INR 12000 + HRA..... After new pay commission, the difference will reduce drastically.
In BLR, IT sector salary hike(this year) is single digit. It may come bellow inflation someday of other....

Leaden....
After leaving SUN, Vinod Khosla was behind bio-fuel.

Re: # 95

That will take a very long time. At present, it is only teh It and a few sectors that are paying well. In Balgalore, you can still get a full time driver for Rs 5000 a month. If As I recall, a new graduate engineer in a public sector is paid only 10,000 a month as starting salary.

The good part is that in india, it is really multi dimensional, several income levels can co-exist, thanks to teh karma concept. One can get a biriyani on brigade road for 300, a street away, you can get may be taster one for 50, on the road side. It is amazing that even today, in a city like bangalore, one can get a good veg meal for Rs 15 in teh city.

Jayp,

(The good part is that India is unlikely to follow the west, except for the rich.)

What if India becomes rich?

Regards

Re: # 93

The good part is that India is unlikely to follow the west, except for the rich. In teh west people associate obesity with eating fast food like mac and KFC etc. In india such fast food are so expensive taht it is unlikely many eat it so often. In the west, it is food of the poor, while in india maccers is the food of the rich, occassionally.

Further, now that many are increasingly aware of teh negatives of meat based on data from the west, meat consumption is unlikely to increase rapidly.

In my frequent visits to india, I did not see much of hard core westernisation, except some pretenses in terms of dressing, language and a few drinks. The positives of punctuality, gender equality, professionalism etc are heartening.

Jayp,

You are right, India's meat production is very low scale and does not involve too many inputs. In fact waste is converted into foodstuff. But if India was to start consuming meat at Western levels all this would change.

Regards

Re: # 89

As I recall, for teh beef it is 7 KG, for the pig it is around 4 Kg and for chicken it is lower. However, this type data is relevant only for the intensive meat production of the west, where human consumption quality grains are used for animal feed. This is happening to some extent for increasingly for chicken in india.

For igs and cattle in India where they roam the streets, these animals eat what is not fit for human consumtion and to that extent, at the present levels of low meat consumption, non- vegetarianism adds to the total available food. Further, in India, it is the old milch cattle that are killed to produce meat unlike in the west, such animals are used for pet food.

All I can say is western solutions for our problems necessarily need not be successful. We have a different social set up where people behave differently from that of the westerners. Behaviour/Reaction of people to a problem constitute a large portion of the solution.

Majumdar, NKg, Anil,

Inordinate emphasis on productivity is the cause of many of the problems in the Indian agri. We've killed the soil. Nobody understands that the soil holds many more living things that help grow plant life.

India has had drought resistant seed/less resource requiring varieties in the past. Thats very natural similar to our(Indians) capacity to withstand hunger. Those seeds did not have a menacing effect on the soil and the ground water table. The modern seeds showed an increase in output for the initial few years but they started demanding more fertilizers, pesticides and water to keep up the output, which over a period of time exacted its toll on the soil, the organic life that helped to grow plant life and the water table.

Thats the reason we hear about farmer suicides in India.

We have chosen to call Agri graduates who do not step out of their offices as researchers. They just regurgitate foreigners findings. We dont have accurate empirical data with us. I believe academic excellence or even qualification should not be implemented as an eligibility criterion to be called a researcher and given ears to.

The problem is Indian farmers sell their work very cheap in comparison to any other profession. India has to go back to their multi cereal diet.

I suggest you to take a tour of the following sites:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masanobu_Fukuoka

http://en.wikipedia.o rg/wiki/Do_Nothing_Farming

Masanobu implemented this long time back. Our farmers know more about this practice than our government.

Anil,

It is true.I will try to locate some sources. It has something to do with effiency of conversion of food. An animal does not convert the entire energy it consumes from plant food into useful products (meat, milk or egg) for humans. Some of it is used for its own survival and gets used up as parts which are not suitable for human consumption/

If my memory serves me right about 3-4 kg of cereals are required to produce 1 kg of poultry or pig meat.

Regards

Re: # 87

Majumdar:

"...But for producing the same amount of nutrition thru animal food, the land required is several times what can be obtained thru plant food..."

Is it true?

Anilji,

Re: 83

Good point that the way the whole Indian food chain works needs to be completely overhauled.

Re: Indian eating habits

(but don't you think that it may make India more land dependent for its food?)

All food except fish comes from the land. My point was that West, Japan and China consume much higher animal food compared to India. But for producing the same amount of nutrition thru animal food, the land required is several times what can be obtained thru plant food (cereals etc). So India's existing land can be enuff to feed its people and possibly even export.

Regards