Local Liberal Dribble

My take on this movie here at:

http://www.pakistanlink.com/Community/2007/Dec07/07/01.HTM

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Re: # 39

pappu saab,(Mad Sad I)

i told masadi saab this saab. he needs a good woman saab so he can be happy saab.

it is sad saab.

Mad Sad I,

You did not answer the simple question, "followers of which religion kill followers of other religions at their place of worship?"

What does it have to do with US? Followers of your religion harm us, the innocent ones.

pappu writes "Is US a religion? My guess of 90% might be worng it could be 97% or 100%."

You miserable bigot, the US power elite is still quite a homogeneous group of WASPS and WASP wannabes

THE NEWS INTERNATIONAL - EDITORIAL


State of siege


Thursday, June 26, 2008
The report that the historic town of Peshawar could fall to militants is obviously terrifying. Worse still, it seems that despite meetings between the chief minister, top military officers stationed in the city and the adviser on interior, no one is ready to defend the city against a possible onslaught by the militant militias that stand ranged all around it. The foray by forces who took away 16 Christians recently from a locality in the heart of the city shows just how vulnerable it is. It is believed that militants, who have scored a series of victories in operations across the northern areas, may just make an attempt to seize Peshawar. The fall of the city, analysts believe, will bring other districts across the NWFP toppling down before militants as well. The resurgence of these forces is evident everywhere. After several weeks of calm, conflict between security troops and the local Taliban has been reported from Swat, where ten people have been killed. Indeed, each day stories come in of new aggression and new acts of brutality by these crazed men who wield automatic weapons and believe that Islam means burning down schools, attacking video shops or beheading people they suspect of collusion with the government.

The extent to which Peshawar, the once peaceful entry point to the northern areas, has changed over the last decade or so is also terrifying. Music, once integral to the culture of the city, has been banned. Folk artistes have been forced into penury, shops selling instruments destroyed. Women on some campuses have been forced into veils; many fear leaving their houses unescorted; schools for girls have been threatened and the relaxed traditions of bazaars where people sipped their tea in the many 'chai houses' dotted across them has given way to one of suspicion and anger.

The threat to Peshawar of course exposes the ineptness of government policy. Under Musharraf's 'enlightened moderation', even as the US declared him a key ally against terror, militancy grew everywhere. The new government has failed, despite some efforts, to do very much about it. Things in the FATA areas appear to be tumbling out of control – and the possibility of Taliban forces driving through Peshawar in trucks now stares us in the face. There is, quite obviously, no time to lose. If militancy is to be defeated, the strategies to do so must be put in place now. There is no space left to fumble or to ponder, and as a first step, a plan to defend Peshawar must be devised immediately before it is too late to prevent the frenzied armies of extremists marching in on the city.

Godfinger or Middle finger to God,

"Is India the land of angels "

I do not know exactly what is an angel? But looking at Pakistanis and in comparison to them it seems so. Be it in UK or US, Indians seem to be model citizens. Thuggy is more British concoction so that Indians and the world do not start looking at the thuggery of British in Trillions.

Rest of your post is a plain rant under the influence of drugs. Please come back afer you get into senses.

Masadi,
"Not only is this claim outrageous whoever its proponents are have defined "terrorist" based on their own bigotry and stereotypical convenience. What the US does world over to control the majority world through the barrel of the gun and through a web of deceit or economic starvation in a system in which the taps are controlled by them, how does that not translate as terrorism, and those numbers convert your 90% into a pittling 0.0001% FOOL."

Is US a religion? My guess of 90% might be worng it could be 97% or 100%. Answer this question followers of which religion harm/kill people at random folks of other faiths/religions at their places of worship? Don't you see your religion in the mirror? What does it have to do with US? We know you cannot do any harm to US but do a lot to us, the innocents.

Re: # 30

pappu says "Afghanistan gave Pakistan strategic depth and Mulla gave it strategic cannon fodder farm. Against whom? India? India never started any war with Pakistan and is not interested in having larger Muslim minority. Is it then Islamic psyche to spread itself and capture the state to rule?"

I don't know what pappu means? Is India the land of angels or is it the land of the deceivers, where flourished for a long time the thugee cult, a people who practiced the wonderful art of deception, and only answered to the black Goddess Kali, and made the English language richer by giving it the word "Thug"! This cult is estimated to have deceived and murdered about 2000,000 innocent travelers between them, according to the estimate of the Guinness Book of World Records! Obviously the thuggee gene must be quite rampant there still, and obviously they do not harbor any of those angelic ideas towards their arch foes to the north that you seem to think that they do. And pappu, as for those darn fool tribals who you berate for harboring expansionist idea's, well naturally you are right they are used to it...historically first they came as mercenaries in invading armies down south, then they established sultanates of their own for a few centuries, what to say of leaving their copious progeny who still populate your movies, sports or other such arts and endeavours.

cliftonbridge writes "The point is this guy wearing jeans and whatever felt he had a right to give the azaan. "They" thought otherwise and took the mike away from him ...but he continued giving the azaan, - his voice couldnt be drowned out just because the "fanatic" had the mike. "

That was HALF the point, the other half GEO and its CIA sponsors don't want you to get: The "mike" was deliberately given to the mullah by those wanting to use him for their motives and the liberal voice was deliberately drowned by them to deflect the real struggle against them, yet even by their doing this the "voice" of the people has not been drowned and we saw side effects of their meddling like the lawyers movement arising. Islam linked to terrorism is most popular among the Western audiences whereas before Islam was an exotic unknown, so whose agenda has given the mike to the mullah?

Supersize writes "i've noticed the majority of material here on chowk is centred around ''muslim extremism in pakistan'', honestly folks it aint that bad..."

True it aint that bad, it becomes bad only when the Americans decide to dispatch suicide bombers through their proxy networks including the Pakistan Army. Why it isn't more is what is truly baffling given the socioeconomic conditions the brave people of this country have to face while its rulers fight America's wars to further impoverish them...

pappu writes "Masadi,

A bigot is a person who is intolerant of opinions, lifestyles, or identities differing from his or her own, and bigotry is the corresponding ideology..."

You post was bigotry to the dot, you isolate Muslims in your post as the only criminals and then you link the few handpicked incidents, that are the product of a farcial WOT or similar neo colonial meddling to the Quran, without knowing anything about the Quran whatsoever. Finally your bigotry and ignorance comes out clear for all to see in this quote of yours "then why Islamic country such as Pakistan where 97% of the population is Islamic, produces 90% terrorists?"

Not only is this claim outrageous whoever its proponents are have defined "terrorist" based on their own bigotry and stereotypical convenience. What the US does world over to control the majority world through the barrel of the gun and through a web of deceit or economic starvation in a system in which the taps are controlled by them, how does that not translate as terrorism, and those numbers convert your 90% into a pittling 0.0001% FOOL.

Goldfinger,

"As for the rap the tribals are getting everywhere, I think its quite unfair. It basically is all the fault of those at the helm of affairs, ever since the existence of Pakistan."

The rap they are getting is after 9/11, before that they were brave Mujahids. World trade center was first bombed in 1994 by these Mujahids. Killings of Indians and Russians never made it to western media.

"Naturally the only viable option open to most of them (and rest of the Pakistanis) is to send their kids to madrassas for cheap education. Once there, the children are brain washed by vituperative mullahs, with the repercussions that every one has seen."

Afghanistan gave Pakistan strategic depth and Mulla gave it strategic cannon fodder farm. Against whom? India? India never started any war with Pakistan and is not interested in having larger Muslim minority. Is it then Islamic psyche to spread itself and capture the state to rule?

#26 SuperSized,

"Are you simply quoting someone with this 90% figure or is that your true opinion???"

Do you expect 100%? We are talking about terrorist attack on people of other faiths. Terrorism of organisations such as LTTE and Bath Party are not being considered here.

"if so, that is seriously screwed up! "

What is being screwed up by whom and where? What we see in the media is one sect of Islam killing other in Pakistan and Iraq. I am new to this site, so I need not point articles here dealing with atrocities and descrimination on Ahmedis, Shias and Christians.

"90 frickin percent.. tut! what a drama queen!"

Again I would like to convey you that we are talking about terrorism in the name of religion which involves harming people at their place of worship. 90% is my opinion.

What is drama here? Who is the queen? Since you seemed to have a super sized Me, I bestow this honor on you to be the queen, though you might want to be the Khilapha.

"actually no I should let you live with those views.. please... it's fun!"

Only me having those views will not have an effect. If my views are molded by media then you need to be also worried, because millions of TV viewers are not getting the "real" picture as you see. These viewers do not get to interact with you.

"honestly folks it aint that bad, its being a tad exaggerated by the media, violence exists everywhere."

You say tad exaggerated here, but in earlier quotes it sounds as if whole hoopla is madia creation. I would rather say killing of Asian, in particular Indian subcontinentals hardly makes to the western media. Since Pakistan is a military dicatorship or authoritarian state what appears in media is probably only the tip of the iceberg. The reality might be dire. In 65 Pakistani media made Pakistanis believe that their were going to have their Sheesh Kabab at Red Fort in Delhi within a week. In 71 also there was bombast of Gen Niyazi that Indian could only get into Dhacca over his dead body. Given this kind of Pakistani media, do you think you have the "real" picture.

I tend to agree with Mr. Paracha's review of the movie, which I too lately saw on DVD. After a promising start, it suddenly falls flat on its face, most particularly with the fake feel to some of the scenes, (like the torture, war and fight scenes),some empty sounding dialogues as if someone is blandly preaching to someone, and some unrealistic characters. I hope next movie they keep an eye to correct such flaws. I think a good way to make this sort of political thriller is to give your message in a subtle way, as was done for example in the movie made from the Le Carre novel, The Little Drummer Girl.

As for the rap the tribals are getting everywhere, I think its quite unfair. It basically is all the fault of those at the helm of affairs, ever since the existence of Pakistan. How can you keep a proud, tough, hardened people out of the ambit of all sorts of modern developments (like schools, colleges roads, hospitals etc.), and then expect them to operate as modern day city slickers? Naturally the only viable option open to most of them (and rest of the Pakistanis) is to send their kids to madrassas for cheap education. Once there, the children are brain washed by vituperative mullahs, with the repercussions that every one has seen. The madrassas, in turn were encouraged by the US itself not too long ago, when they saw that just across the border from Pakistan's tribal areas, the Afghans were fighting tough against the Russians, so they thought it opportune to fight communism with the zeal of the mujahids, and also avenge their loss at Vietnam. Thus the first dregs of this madrassa induced jihadism was launched, and a Frankenstein monster was born.

i've noticed the majority of material here on chowk is centred around ''muslim extremism in pakistan'', honestly folks it aint that bad, its being a tad exaggerated by the media, violence exists everywhere. unstable politics however (backed by the usa) on the other hand is what's causing an unsettled mindset amongst the inhabitants of the country leading to all sorts of kerfuffle.

sorry guys, when i'm writing informally i cant be fussed with the caps key, but then still use it willy nilly out of habit. scusez moi i've no intention of inducing epileptic attacks - on any of you who may read my comments.

pappu? are you simply quoting someone with this 90% figure or is that your true opinion??? if so, that is seriously screwed up!
do you live in Pakistan? Do you personally KNOW its people??? Have you actually ever had a civil conversation with any of them?

90 frickin percent.. tut! what a drama queen!

actually no I should let you live with those views.. please... it's fun!

akcheema, I actually agree with one of your points, religious fascism is a bitch! eally it is, in any religion. I am a Muslim and I hold my faith in the highest regard, but I dont like all this distorting it, illiterate (or ignorant) people making up rules as they go along, all this that is happening moreso in this modern, enlightened age, though I know many elements are instigated and spurred on by politics, not religion but politics, including shades of social class systems (poverty, desperation, poor access to education etc). But yes, thank you! Good point! :)

Cliftonbridge, dude, that ending was magnificent, I felt the same way, it has a resounding, positive message.