Muslims in America

Sattar sahib, there are issues which can be understood through discussions here among friends, in a friendly way.

And there are issues which can only be understood on Dr. Sohail's couch. :((

The persistent need to bad-mouth others without provocation falls in the latter category.

DM (#127),

Don’t remind tahmed of Iraq – it’s something he’s trying to forget.

But really, Iraq is merely an experiment with democracy gone awry. Pre-war intelligence was not bad either - just a bit misunderstood. Surely we weren’t expecting perfection. Millions of Iraqis suffered, but hey, they got to vote! And that's what counts - no, really ...

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YLH (#69),

Minor point: That really was not necessary. While you criticize momineens for dragging in the Ahmadi issue for no reason, you yourself can’t help badmouthing Ahmadis unnecessarily. You both need help.

I don't want to get into another useless discussion with you, but you may want to think things over. Just a thought ...

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..and do you remember some of us warning you four years ago that the attack on the most secular and woman-friendly country in the arab world (yes, sadaam's Iraq) would turn it into a theocracy? And my asking you then if you would support the US if it attacked Pakistan? Sadly, we are now getting the answer to that question.

tahmed32:

No sir, you cannot blame Maudoodi for every problem in the world. He was against the creation of Pakistan and was more or less restricted to bringing Pakistan under Nizam-e-Mustafa as he believed that this is what the awaam thought that they had gotten regardless of the intentions of the founder. And when Nasser went after Maudoodi's chelas in Egypt, it was your American friends who supported them. In fact, they also opposed the reformist Saudi Sheikh (the son of the founder of the dynasty) who had introduced reforms like making photographs and movies legal in Saudi Arabia.

dost-mittar,

.... have you read "maps for lost lovers" by nadeem aslam ?...... i recommend it highly - it is a beautifully written book .... some of the most poetic prose i have ever read and it also gives you some insight into the djinns that posess the ummah .....

correction to emergency alert below: "Intruder sighted". Not "Sighed".

Sigh...:-(

"Attnetion Masadi!! "White Man Defense Alert!! Man your Battle Station!!"

Intruder sighed at co-ordinate #122, and believed to be that arch-villain tahmed!

dost mittar: while it is convenient to blame "the white man" for everything, the fact is that the mullah virus came to Pakistan from India in the form maudoodi. and the mullah virus was activated in Pakistan by ZAB and zia - and after years on chowk where this is all that seems to be discussed, why am I having to remind you of this?

#116 hamidm: you forgot to mention the muslims whose women can only dress in long cloaks in any color they want as long as it is black; who insist on living in the past and reject all the benefits of modern civilization; read the good book every day; and who dont go anywhere near your Colt 45 or any other booze; refer to the rest of the country as "English" and insist on speaking their own language..and..horrors.. their numbers are increasing as they produce lots of babies!! and spreading beyond their original immigration to other parts of the country.

Wait, those are not muslims I am talking about, but the pennsylvania dutch (who are actually not dutch, but a deutsch speaking christian sect from switzerland, but those are details).

And then we have this bunch of immigrants in Brooklyn whose women shave their heads and put on wigs made from...ugh..human hair...but let me stop here.

Since I know your muslimphobia is not solved by mere counselling...

hamidm#116:

Seriously, the islamist virus was quite dormant in most muslims until your white man activated it to fight his war against the godless commies. Ab bhuto karmon ka phal!

hamidm#116:

Have you been reading the scientific fiction Invasion by Allen?

Incidentally, the horrible Hindoos will survive even under this scenario, just as they did earlier ones.;)

Masadi,

just check this out, http://www.resist.com/other/border_patrol.swf

another reason for you to complain about the US-elite.

masadi,

.......... americans will rue the day they let moslems into the country .....

........it is easier to convince a headhunter from papua new guinea to discard the bone through his nose and give up cannibalism, than to convince a moslem from gujranwala to shave his chin (instead of his pubic hair), give up washing his feet in a sink and suicide bombing .....

..... brooklyn already smells and looks like bradford and as soon as sharia is implemented in nyc, public executions will be conducted at yankee stadium every friday and matinee shows featuring ritual stoning and whipping will be held on saturday ..... this, most certainly, will result in the demise of broadway and the eventual collpse of the entertainment industry ........ paris hilton and nicole ritchie will join the dawa circuit with farhat hashmi and tahmed ............ pigs will be exterminated and you will not be able to get a decent blt sandwich or baby back ribs ....... black people will go hungry because they won't be able to get pork rinds and chitlins and many will die of thirst because they won't be able to get ripple and colt 45 malt ....... barbers and plastic surgeons will go out of business and indian code coolies will be put to death for writing bad code and worshiping false dieties .......

re. #111

truthoo, thanks for posting that article. It would've been interesting if you'd stated that it was something from masadi's pen. We'd then no doubt be entertained by the spectacle of Western baboos spitting venom on the (supposed) author. As it were, this is from what I call a True Conservative, a la Pat Buchanan, who served as Regean's Secy of Treasury, and is a giant of an economist.

Re: # 110
"In my opinion, unfortunately for the Muslim world, the destruction of the Ottoman Empire created these Arab nation states. Now these Arab nation states totally disregard the prevailing international behavior of a 21st century society."

You're also ignoring the role of the European powers between the world wars in shaping many of the problems of the modern Middle east. Unless you think that the mandate system was also another glowing example of the kindness of the Western powers towards the Islamic world which the backward Arabs failed to sufficiently take advantage of.