Of Medical Students, Passports and Religous Tolerance

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#298 Posted by Eklavya
and #296 Posted by Eklavya

Eklavya,

[[Hatred would be promising one thing and delivering another - as in Mirzaism and sufism.]]

How did you come to this definition of hatred?


[[And tahir bhai, there is no hatred in Islam.]]

Better try to define it here what hatred is then you can read Kuran to know whther Islam has hatred or not?

Don't be too quick to please people.



Here are the first few verses of Kuran (and people say that Kuran is less threatning in the beginning when Muhammad had less military power):

For those who say it doesn't have contradiction, the first thing they can see is that while Allaha should have been talking all of the time as every verse is supposed to be revealed by Allaha and not Muhammad, you will see Muhammad speaking in many of them. When He refers to Allaha as "thee".

check verse 002.014 and you will see how God of Kuran is disturbed or teased by common people (Or how Muhammad was disturned that because of his power and sword people were wiling to accept his words in front of him but not when he was not present).



Read Kuran and you will get to know how God speaks, you will have lot of fun indeed.

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001.001
Y: In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.
P: In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
S: In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

001.002
Y: Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
P: Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,
S: All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds.

001.003
Y: Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
P: The Beneficent, the Merciful.
S: The Beneficent, the Merciful.

001.004
Y: Master of the Day of Judgment.
P: Master of the Day of Judgment,
S: Master of the Day of Judgment.

001.005
Y: Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
P: Thee (alone) we worship; Thee (alone) we ask for help.
S: Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help.

001.006
Y: Show us the straight way,
P: Show us the straight path,
S: Keep us on the right path.

001.007
Y: The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.
P: The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray.
S: The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray.

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Chapter 2:

AL-BAQARA (THE COW)
Total Verses: 286 Revealed At: MADINA


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In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful.

002.001
Y: A.L.M.
P: Alif. Lam. Mim.
S: Alif Lam Mim.

002.002
Y: This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah;
P: This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil).
S: This Book, there is no doubt in it, is a guide to those who guard (against evil).

002.003
Y: Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;
P: Who believe in the Unseen, and establish worship, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them;
S: Those who believe in the unseen and keep up prayer and spend out of what We have given them.

002.004
Y: And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.
P: And who believe in that which is revealed unto thee (Muhammad) and that which was revealed before thee, and are certain of the Hereafter.
S: And who believe in that which has been revealed to you and that which was revealed before you and they are sure of the hereafter.

002.005
Y: They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.
P: These depend on guidance from their Lord. These are the successful.
S: These are on a right course from their Lord and these it is that shall be successful.

002.006
Y: As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.
P: As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.
S: Surely those who disbelieve, it being alike to them whether you warn them, or do not warn them, will not believe.

002.007
Y: Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).
P: Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom.
S: Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing and there is a covering over their eyes, and there is a great punishment for them.

002.008
Y: Of the people there are some who say: "We believe in Allah and the Last Day;" but they do not (really) believe.
P: And of mankind are some who say: We believe in Allah and the Last Day, when they believe not.
S: And there are some people who say: We believe in Allah and the last day; and they are not at all believers.

002.009
Y: Fain would they deceive Allah and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves, and realise (it) not!
P: They think to beguile Allah and those who believe, and they beguile none save themselves; but they perceive not.
S: They desire to deceive Allah and those who believe, and they deceive only themselves and they do not perceive.

002.010
Y: In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves).
P: In their hearts is a disease, and Allah increaseth their disease. A painful doom is theirs because they lie.
S: There is a disease in their hearts, so Allah added to their disease and they shall have a painful chastisement because they

002.011
Y: When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!"
P: And when it is said unto them: Make not mischief in the earth, they say: We are peacemakers only.
S: And when it is said to them, Do not make mischief in the land, they say: We are but peace-makers.

002.012
Y: Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not.
P: Are not they indeed the mischief-makers? But they perceive not.
S: Now surely they themselves are the mischief makers, but they do not perceive.

002.013
Y: When it is said to them: "Believe as the others believe:" They say: "Shall we believe as the fools believe?" Nay, of a surety they are the fools, but they do not know.
P: And when it is said unto them: believe as the people believe, they say: shall we believe as the foolish believe? are not they indeed the foolish? But they know not.
S: And when it is said to them: Believe as the people believe they say: Shall we believe as the fools believe? Now surely they themselves are the fools, but they do not know.

002.014
Y: When they meet those who believe, they say: "We believe;" but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say: "We are really with you: We (were) only jesting."
P: And when they fall in with those who believe, they say: We believe; but when they go apart to their devils they declare: Lo! we are with you; verily we did but mock.
S: And when they meet those who believe, they say: We believe; and when they are alone with their Shaitans, they say: Surely we are with you, we were only mocking.

guru ji, true, a Muslim is proud to be a slave of Allah, (and in case of sufis, a slave of Prophet Muhammad), but that is a straightforward, crystal-clear, opening statement of Islam. There is no hatred in it.

Hatred would be promising one thing and delivering another - as in Mirzaism and sufism.

Koran is the manual for deceipt and enslavement of not just present gnerations but many many coming ones. It's high time we get rid of this bookish religion.

tahir bhai, thanks. I was merely guessing based on what one hears mirzais say all the time, but that Jewish revenge may well be a real attempt.

And tahir bhai, there is no hatred in Islam. Islam makes a very clear set of basic arguments, which one can accept or reject. There are no two ways about it - like 'half accept' or 'half reject.'

The 'hatred' lies exclusively within deceptive doctrines. The underlying argument behind these human deceptions is - You (tahir, ek, or all others) are so damn evil that I will actively deceive you in order to force you to change your path.

Some incredible amount of totally undeseved self-righteousness these deceivers possess!

Re: # 294 Aik Love Ya

Do read Dr. Shabbir Ahmed's HASHISH FROM QADIAN; you could download it for free. And also:

AHMADIYYA MOVEMENT--THE BRITISH-JEWISH CONNECTIONS by Bashir Ahmad (free download!)

And hey Stutter and New York Axeman, why don't you two also read these to receive horizon-widening education!

Except for these characters posing as 'bhagwans' on ChowQ, I have no hatred for all those who live near the Indus.

Regards.

tahir, I know very little about Jews. But I can see the Hindu elements that Mirzaism incorporated towards its goals.

Could Mirzaism also be a 'revenge' of Jewry against Islam? May be. Someone should investigate that. We do knowf or sure that the British promoted some Punjabis in their anti-Islamic effort.

Re: # 291 Aik Love Ya
"chutzpah of Mirzais"

Chutz-Pah must offend the Q-cumbers more than my interacts as THIS word sounds abusive to Pakistanis (and Indians I suppose)! AND it has Hebrew origins which implies that you're rubbing in that Israel-connection thing!

Naughty boy, you could've said: insolence, audacity, impertinence.

But we have to give it you Mirzais, the way you have wrapped non-Muslims around your fingers, playing your political games. One genuinely needs to congratulate all you Mirzais, whatever shape or form you present yourself in, to the non-Muslim world. :)

sattar bhai, talking of moving on, one is simply amazed by the breathtaking chutzpah of Mirzais.

Here are people who tell Muslims, to latter's faces, that if Muslims follow the religion of Prophet Muhammad on their own, and refuse to submit to the Punjabi prophetry of Mirza sahib, Muslims are living in a state of Jahaliya, and their status is essentially no more than that of pre-Islamic Jahils in Islam!

Wow, is the least one can say.

If that is what you have in mind for Muslims, only you know what you have in mind for the rest of us real idolators, ignorant and loving toward you though we might be! :)

"Your ullema do not own Islam. And Ahmadis are well within their rights to consider themselves Muslims. The question now is … what are you going to do about it?"

Why this fetish to be slave of Arabs? Why hold on to Pascal when the world has moved to Small Talk? There is even more money in being a problem solver (algorithm) who ca pick up any language or paradigm on fly.

Re: # 279 Stuuter-2
Here comes the great mouthpiece of Q-thought--Stutter--who was foretold by a Greek goddess that MGAQ will slide down from 'akaash' with a minor bang in Qadiyan!

"what are you going to do about it?"

We will continue to expose your falsehoods and deception in worshipping MGAQ. You think it is 'uncool' to do that? Wait till you get to the depths of the hottest place in the universe....

Keep spewing out your fraudulent claims, no Hindu here will become a Q-cumber unless he gives in to your Dollars-and-Chics clearance sale.

Rumi and Ibn al-Arabi, is this all you can muster Stutter?

Western and US imperialism is just a child compared to Arabic one? Arabic one has caused people become fatalistic and looking towards the "world here-after." This has made people dead man walking and breathing. Poor Abduls and Salmas with book (koran) in hand are being taken the edge of the cliff.

Throw away book. Write your own book using the consciousness as paper and ..

Second hand word cannot lead to knowledge and wisdom. Be childlike.

http://66.139.75.46/Hindi/Amrit%20Dwar/amrit_dwar_01.mp3

Re: # 282 who is swami Nanda? I know good looking woman called Nanda who used to run around trees in the garden and some Dhar Mendhar running after her.

Re: # 283 which audio? would you please sumerize what the speaker is saying. Would you guess who is the speaker.