Dhokha and Being a Muslim in India

Re: # 391
Hamid...
Not exactly...
When islamic barbarism was at its peak, Marathas, Rajputs and Sikhs snatched power from mughals....
The basic problem India facing is un-controlled breeding. In a democratic setup is enough to capture more power....

http://www.hindu.com/2004/09/23/stories/2004092306010500.htm
http: //www.telegraphindia.com/1040915/asp/opinion/story_3752632.asp

Re: # 391 Hamid-M2
"i hate to be cruel, but you guys might be in for another thousand years of ignominy under moslem rule ......... "

Fall prostrate and pray that they pay attention to this advice!

Guru writes "You landed in USA because poor Hindu Haris turned Abdul Mujahid went to Afghanistan ..."

There is greater chance that you landed in your mama's womb because of those poor Hindu Haris than there is of my going to USA having anything to do with the Soviet/Afghan war. It is best to shut your cow dung eating trap if you don't know about something.....

Now, while you three try your collective brains to come up with a paragraph like #394, and in doing so show us your pathetic intelligence compared to mine, as you always do, splattered all across Chowk, let me grace some other board with my presence...

hamid mian learn how to spell the word first, it is spelled intelligent. I understand that your limited intelligence, allows you to now defend bigots like pinku and guru, the material and immaterial, being and non being, mystery and yet one thousand options that are non dogmatic BS like bulls balancing the earth spewers or should I say sewers. It is for this reason that I, intelligently remarked that you my friend (not) are the sage of the sewers.... I am sure while your rat friends are at it, Pinku will show us where the Quran is foolish and evil, from Ali Sina's copy pasted articles, and you as the sage of these rats will second him on that....

Re: # 392

pinku mian,

.... no one has ever accused mad masadi of being inteligent .... he has read three books - the koran, mills and boon and howie zinn - but that does not make him any smarter than guru ji who seems to have read some ancient mumbo jumbo on a cave wall ........

#387 Posted by masadi
masadi,
it seems your friends constantly abuse you by saying you are intelligent, though your arguments look more bigoted and foolish than those of hardcore hindus or muslims or your so called bigots.

You should better start using proper arguments with whatever amount of intelliegence you have (huge or small) instead of just mentioning who are bigots and fools.

you said:
[[The fact is your entire philosophy and its practices are infantile, self contradictory and weak, intellectually and morally...]]

If those philosophies are weak (intellectually and morally) than yours (or read Islamic ones) are extremely foolish and evil. That is the difference that you have to maintain if someday you become too intelligent and understand what religions are!

guru ji,

.... it seems that muslim indians have the horrible hindoos on the run in ahmedabad and bangalore ..... what are you going to do now? ......... it is only a matter of time before the green banners of islam, the white banners of the taliban and the blck banners of ayatollah khomeni fly from the ramparts of the red fort in delhi ..... i hate to be cruel, but you guys might be in for another thousand years of ignominy under moslem rule .........

Mulla Mandar Multankar,

You wont understand. You are at your best when you wash dirty undies of western elites. You landed in USA because poor Hindu Haris turned Abdul Mujahid went to Afghanistan to become cannon fodder. Tum Jis Thali mein Khate ho Usi men Hagate Ho. You are ultimate ingrate.

Mulla Mandar Multankar,

Did you change your biz card?

Why do you think there is no Muslim country which is a democracy? Why all of them have army or autocratic leader ruling them? Even Malay and Indonesia till recently had autocratic rulers. 20 years back we on soc.culture.indian never imagined the Muslims who used to berate India and Indian Dharmic tradition quoting Naupal. Ten years back they started berating Naupal and now the dire predictions of Naupal about Islam and Islamic countries are coming true.

In #387 read " not this nonsense you (guru) quoted

"quotewith several creation models, for study&enquiery, by oneself ,describing creation with out a creator as “existant, nonexistant and existant&nonexistant “.
This mystery of unknowable unmanifest creation, is known in all NONDUAL&NONVIOLENT CIVILIZATIONS OF TIME IMMEMORIAL, ...As one can see, the wise in these great civilizations, of time immemorial,have avoided in their core philosophical enquiries, SPECULATIONS of prophetc religious gods as creators, to free their soceities from DOGMA&SUPERSTITIONS."
(end quote)
So. let me get this straight unknowable, unmanifest and mystery and that translates as "free from dogma and superstition" ! As Mullah_Toofani would say, "Masha-allah"...

Guru writes "Both Islam and Christianity have the following Common Beliefs:..."

Yeah, now this third rate bigot is going to teach us Islam and Christianity. Reason-wise Islam is uniquely consistent and uniquely strong in the entire world of religion, not his nonsense you quoted
with several creation models, for study&enquiery, by oneself ,describing creation with out a creator as “existant, nonexistant and existant&nonexistant “.
This mystery of unknowable unmanifest creation, is known in all NONDUAL&NONVIOLENT CIVILIZATIONS OF TIME IMMEMORIAL, ...As one can see, the wise in these great civilizations, of time immemorial,have avoided in their core philosophical enquiries, SPECULATIONS of prophetc religious gods as creators, to free their soceities from DOGMA&SUPERSTITIONS."

So. let me get this straight unknowable, unmanifest and mystery and that translates as "free from dogma and superstition" ! As Mullah_Toofani would say, "Masha-allah"...

The fact is your entire philosophy and its practices are infantile, self contradictory and weak, intellectually and morally...

Re: # 375

guruji,

The reason why hindus are feeling insecure is because Hindus have lost their Kshatriyas or men who took to arms to protect dharma.

Our army and police has been infiltrated and is in control of dhimmi hindus who mouth Allah-arse-licking statements .

Now hindus need to look into the cultural propaganda on TV and Bollywood that suppor the dhimmi view because it helps the Islamists :
1. Protest whenever they show hindus as "scheming Pandits" or "criminals in the garb of sanyasis" that aims at propagating negative caricature even amongst hindus about their own acharyas.
2. Protest and act when the Hindu TV show hosts mouth "Insha-Allah" instead of "Ishwara-Kripa" because it is a dhimmi act of praising the moon god.
3. Protest against caricature of characters from Hindu scriptures like Mahabharata or Ramayana in TV Ads , movies or music videos.
4. Protest and call for boycott of bollywood movies that portray hindu characters , especially the religiously inclined, in a poor light deliberately.


The cultural uprising and protest is going to create more consolidation and increase the resolve to fight the Jihad.

Vedas(knoweldge of manifest) and vedanata (knowledge of unmanifest), are the essence of vedic philosophy , to live one’s manifest life according to one’s own acquired manifest knowledge-ignorance paradigm and have the courage to be free from speculation of the unmanifest unknowable mysteries of existant creation ,with knowledge of TRUTH to FREEDOM.
Vedanta ,dealt in the upanishads ,with several creation models, for study&enquiery, by oneself ,describing creation with out a creator as “existant, nonexistant and existant&nonexistant “.
This mystery of unknowable unmanifest creation, is known in all NONDUAL&NONVIOLENT CIVILIZATIONS OF TIME IMMEMORIAL, as “brahman in indian phiolosophy of vedanta, chi in chinese Taoist philosophy, spirit in our american philosophies(not european) from alaska to argentina, and in african philosophies ” .
As one can see, the wise in these great civilizations, of time immemorial,have avoided in their core philosophical enquiries, SPECULATIONS of prophetc religious gods as creators, to free their soceities from DOGMA&SUPERSTITIONS.
As these nondual&nonviolent civilizations evolved in time&space, many versions of these all encomposing nondual monist philosophies evolved into ,dualist “pantheism, monotheism as derivatives” , with core MACRO values in nonduality.
Here is where, Aksharanada stressed, that so called hinduism ,whose core macro doctrines are firmly imbedded in the absolute truth of monism/nonduality ,with out the need for a creator god, thus nailing his point that “if rama,krishna or any other god is taken out of the hindu philosophy, hinduism survives as nondual&nonviolent culture, as rest of nondaul cultures around the world, unlike “prophetic religions, whose existance depends on a creator god”.
(1)EVERY THING IS GOD AND (2)EVERY THING IS GOD’S, are two distinctly differentiating features of hinduism VS prophetic religions.
“THERE IS NO GOD BUT YOU” is the only absolute truth, proven beyond DOUBT, TIME AND SPACE, is the essence of hinduism,taoism and rest of monistic philosophies of our lands of the americas from alaska to argentina, and africas.
Aksharanada must be congratulated, along with many other nondual philosophers around world, to express their freedom from speculations of ” gods,creators, souls, reincarnations,nirvana, salvation, saving, hell, heaven, karma, rebirth, etal”.
Leaving speculation to FAITH and not to TRUTH is the wisdom of great civilizations, of time immemorail, expressed by Aksharanada.
TRUTH about what, is the question asked by the wise.
Truth about Manifest results in Knowledge&Ignorance paradigm.
Truth about Unmanifest results in FREEDOM from both knowledge&ignorance.
(refernce to Isavasya Upanishad).
Best wishes to Aksharanda to continue to speak on FREEDOM thru TRUTH.

Many of the Hindu scriptures on the market are filled with distortions based on the writings of so called European Sanskrit scholars who left an abundance of distortions in our scriptures for others. From these distortions, much research about Hinduism continues and result in publications that distorts and confuse Indian/Hindus who eventually deride our religion.

India now appears to produce many anti Hindus from among the intellectual class only because of European distortions of the Hindu religion.

Our original Hindu teachings are from eternal divine personalities from the celestial realms. These went through enormous distortions by so called European Sanskrit scholars whose writings show distinct parallels with each other and which seems to conform to a prescribed, set, unified plan of the European.

Many of us now read our scriptures as myths, symbolism, allegories, etc., with faith in them being a major issue. We look att hem as the writings of ordinary men, since we try to understand our scriptures from a worldly perspective, and not from the perspective of the divine.

Only when we begin to accept that our scriptures are the divine expressions of the Supreme Himself, only then we will continue to put whole hearted faith in our scriptures.

Our scriptures were passed down to our eternal Deities of celestial realms, and recorded later also by eternal divine personalities who come again and again to Bharatvarsh (India) as ordinary human beings to help us understand our ancient scriptures that never die, but are revealed similarly again and again after each pralaya.

Our scriptures were originally written on wooden slabs and the writings were replaced as needed due to wear and tear. It was easy for European Sanskrit scholars whose goal it was to destroy the Hindu religion and culture, and replace them with Christianity and European culture. No doubt about it.

The Europeans inserted Sanskrit words that changed entire original meaning and concepts, eating habits, philosophies, etc., with the goal of confusing Hindus and turning them away from their Divine religion.

The distortions are wide spread, but can be easily observed by ordinary thinkers, since they conflict with other teachings in the same revised editions of our scriptures where in one context the same practice is absolutely prohibited and in another context it is highly recommended.

For a better understanding of Hinduism, please read “The True History And Religion Of India” by Swami Prakashanand Saraswati ISBN 0230-63065-0. www.BarsanaDham.org

Namaskar:
My humble pranams to Pujya Swami Aksharananada-ji. I totally agree with this great speech — all religions are not the same! Reading the comments of those few who disagree with the speech, it is very interesting that none of them has any substance to rebutt what Swamiji has stated. Some of them are foul-mouted cowards and shows how disgraceful they are to the Hindu-fold. Others, I found are overly engrossed in philosophy — as the old saying goes, put two Hindus to in a room to talk and you will hear two million philosophies — nothing practical. Swamiji’s speech does not question the fundamental truths of any religion, but it deals with practical ideological problems that plague the Hindu psyche. It is indeed correct that if one reads the work of Ramakrishna, Gandhi, Vivekananda, etc., if is clear that they promoted the concept that all religions are the same. It is my opinion, that such watered-down teaching is fallacious, and resulted in mental confusion of Hindus, lack of Hindu pride, and Hindus becoming preys for easy conversion. Never-mind Gandhi and Vivekananda rejected conversion as evil, their teachings that all religions are the same amounted to Hindu enslavement mentality. It is shocking, and indeed a ridiculous spectacle to head Hindu leaders from India trying to preach to their audiences the message of the Koran and the Bible, when they have not even read those texts - examples of mental confusion for they have conditioned to think that they must do this to become legitimate in the eyes of their Indian brethrens. They make themselves fools in the process. What Hinduism needs, is more educated Swamijis like Swami Aksharanandaji. We are extremely proud in him in the Caribbean. I am of the opinion, Hinduism in India should not be a model for us in the Caribbean to follow because Maculay still affects their brains over there. Jai Shree Ram.

Rishi