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Why is Karachi Turning Into a Sell-Out?

Ahmer Muzammil July 17, 2008

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#93 Posted by MatloobZaman on July 30, 2008 10:27:29 pm
Re: # 78
Abay masadi uloo kay charkhay, kunway kay maindak.
you are the person when you were born all others with any knowledge died instantly, leaving you as the only wise one in this world, on top of that you happen to be such a self-righteous that there is not another example like you in this world.
Too bad you are in Chennai, India, if you were anywhere in Pakistan you make the best candidate by all measures to qualify for a free admission to Giddu Bandar, but I am sure that no matter where you happen to be it would be no less than Giddu Bandar.
You talk about Army and yet every letter not word of yours represents the ego of a dictator.
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#92 Posted by MatloobZaman on July 30, 2008 10:21:59 pm
Re: # 74
Sorry about the delay due to health problems, here is one of the responses to your question regarding the Gold Reserves of Pakistan secured at SBP.
As per SBP’s Annual Audited Accounts as on 30th
June 2005, the gold reserves held by the SBP were 2,046,910 Troy Ounces (63.7 metric
tons), which were further increased by 1% to 2,066,514 Troy Ounces (64.3 metric tons)
as on 30th June, 2007.
With regards to MQM your information appears to be somewhat of a participating insider and may supersede my knowledge about the various branches & cells of MQM.
I have never participated with the organization in any capacity therefore my knowledge is that of an observing innocent bystander while the only party I have ever had any loyalty to was The Muslim League without the crutches of 4th letter, all else seems quite illegitimate and riding on crutches.
With regards to demands of money as mentioned by you if that is true then that is not a very healthy activity on part of anyone.
While, with regards to the burning of lawyer according to media reports in the follow up of this unfortunate event I understood that the lawyers and their clients who were burned to death were members or workers of MQM and were discussing the matter of some of their relatives who were being held by authorities.
Perhaps you know better, I do not investigate each and every story released in the media but do know that the very initial struggle when MQM originally surfaced included the reason of the open air drug market at Sohrab goth(F.B.Area) among other criminal activities which the MQM wanted to eliminate from Karachi altogether and the arms were introduced first by the drug dealers and criminals of Sohrab Goth.
However, I know on a first hand basis from relatives who reside in the area that they are being harassed by these criminals of Sohrab goth as the walk to their homes, while they are considering selling their properties and moving elsewhere to safer and civilized grounds, I know they won't be making up these stories just to start a story.
God willing I shall write more as health permits.
You take care and be good.
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#91 Posted by anil on July 28, 2008 9:22:25 am
Re: # 87

Massaddi Mian:

"... about google is just bs. It is a search engine that takes you, when you want to find the news to the main corporate news sites that dominate the internet just as they dominate the mainstream media, its founders were not ordinary joes,they were stanford PhD students ..."

Shows how deep your knowledge is.

Has it ever occured to you that it takes only handful to start the transformation. Muhammad was one. You too are trying to be one. Whether you will ever have a following is laughable.

Thanks for the links any way, I will read them. For now I have to leave you with you thoughts and keyboard emancipation.
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#90 Posted by anil on July 28, 2008 9:16:42 am
Re: # 87

Massaddi Mian:

"...On the other hand you have not answered my challenge of showing me how this emancipation with keyboards where the usage of computers is less than that of tv and radio, has caused change in social structure...."

People like you are blocking it, when they are not acting like cry babies.
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#89 Posted by anil on July 28, 2008 9:13:43 am
Massaddi Mian:

Chinese is a phenomenon and not a threat. So please do not be paranoid. What is around you and west of the border around you is threat. Please look around carefully.
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#88 Posted by anil on July 28, 2008 9:11:48 am
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Massaddi Mian:

"...Are you an idiot?...."

Please save these to shout when you stand up in front of the mirror, are looking at it.

Now, you knowledge that Internet as a social phenomenon was not even there in your favorite times 7th century to Mills.

BTW, while at it please extend this same logic to all thoughts that haunt your mind and show up as your personality and your rants too.
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#87 Posted by masadi on July 28, 2008 8:42:45 am
Anil writes "You still have not responded to my challenge to produce a single write-up by Mills that addresses this phenomenon...."

Are you an idiot? The internet wasn't invented by Al-Gore at the time Mills was writing, however he (Mills) was the pioneer in discussing the sociological impacts of modern technologies of the time. He also wrote about the media, you can get the quotes from my website http://www.asadi.org but it is best to read his articles published in professional journals, though their standard might be beyond the comprehension level of a "Harvard Business School graduate with an email to match" person like yourself.

On the other hand you have not answered my challenge of showing me how this emancipation with keyboards where the usage of computers is less than that of tv and radio, has caused change in social structure. Finally your nonsense about google is just bs. It is a search engine that takes you, when you want to find the news to the main corporate news sites that dominate the internet just as they dominate the mainstream media, its founders were not ordinary joes,they were stanford PhD students which makes them a very exclusive minority in the US and not everybody can raise over a million dollars in the US to start a company and have access to networks that take you to a successful ipo to a multibillion dollar company in which the major holdings are of those "elite" that you want to hide. As far as information goes, google is just a slave...

For media ownership concentration, read this article and see this diagram:

http://www.thenation.com/special/bigten.html (diagram)
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020107/miller (article)


There is nothing you can say about "the China threat" that is amplified by the US for ulterior motive. Nothing they are doing by being a conduit for US corporations or can do by fitting into the current structure will shake the global structure dominated by the US

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#86 Posted by anil on July 28, 2008 7:08:05 am
Massaddi Mian:

I would have written more about Chinese phenomenon, but that seems to be such a waste on mind drowned in 7th Century to Mills nonsense.
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#85 Posted by anil on July 28, 2008 7:06:30 am
Massaddi Mian:

You can call me "Annill", is that fine with you?

You truly lack something, could it be intelligence?

You still have not responded to my challenge to produce a single write-up by Mills that addresses this phenomenon.

Media that you talk about has been loosing money and audience. Networks are loosing audiences, their effectiveness for national advertising has down down to almost 1/30th. Google's location and profile based advertising is running away with the advertising revenue.

Now in the buckle of the Bible-belt and near the caves of radical Islam it may be altogether different, while you were or are there.

Microsoft was ready to pay $42 billion for Yahoo. Neither of which have been founded by your so called elites. Do you know why?

Please listen and cut your nonsense of 7th century to Mills nonsense. Unless of course you have courage to accept that Mills did not say a thing about the "Power of One", and "Reach is Global" and "Resources are Global".
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#84 Posted by masadi on July 27, 2008 11:45:08 pm
Annilll writes "there are more Internet users in China than in the U.S...."

And that somehow makes China and the Chinese global trend setters and the super power #1 in some way? The internet has not altered the power strcuture of any country anywhere. In parterning with the corporations, it has enhanced control of the masses, got their most intimate personal detalis to use in the marketplace, and facilitated the status quo. The little "keystroke" pushers have amounted to nothing in either getting a greater share of wealth or income for themselves as a group or in the development of their countries....
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#83 Posted by masadi on July 27, 2008 9:44:04 pm
In addition, it is "masadi" not "massaddii mian"- are you blind or deaf?
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#82 Posted by masadi on July 27, 2008 9:43:04 pm
Anil writes "This just the opposite of concentrated media. New media is distributed media..."

That is where you are sadly mistaken. Even on the internet which is not the source of information for the very vast majority, the corporate site dominate the setup, other sites that come up to compete are quickly incorporated by those very corporations. The media is more concentrated today in the hands of a handful of large corporations than it has ever been in the past, the very vast majority of humanity do not have access to the internet, which has caused just as much of a "revolution" as radios and tvs in the past which is ZERO as far as changing the global strcuture of power goes. It is a toy in the hands of a public for the purpose of distracting and deceiving them into believeing that now they are empowered. Together with the growth of the number of chinese using the internet has come much lesser freedom for China itself as it incorporates
itself into the global structure of capitalism...
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#81 Posted by anil on July 27, 2008 10:55:46 am
Re: # 67

Madani sahib:

"...Mr anil and friends.... Please do not red flag truths you do not like to ban somebody...."

I do not red flag anyone. I for one signed the petition to allow Massaddi Mian be published on Chowk.

I have a lot of respect for your view points. I am afraid you are missing out on many new tools that have become available to solve tomorrows problems. Chinese phenomenon would not have happened, let us not even talk about if Indian phenomenon is happening or not.

If Massaddi Mian can use from a family of this tool to project his views, others are using to create new jobs, and flattening the earth for global advantage. He has no clue that basics may be from Adam Smiths, but in the knowledge based society and economy new social and economic laws are being defined. Therefore, if the Islamic world or the part of the world you and he live misses out and others capture the lead and create wealth, please do not blame or call names to others for not listening to 7th century to Mills rant. You know why because the world is changing NOW. There came a time when Einstein's theory superseded Newton's laws too.
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#80 Posted by anil on July 27, 2008 10:44:10 am
Re: # 68

Massaddi Mian:

"... That media that has been ultra concentrated in the US has greater impact than your "keystroke" ..."

This statement shows your ignorance. For your information, there are more Internet users in China than in the U.S. This is all about "Power of One" and "Global Resources". Just the opposite of concentrated media. Innovation in technology happened in the U.S., the spread in technology happens after the innovation. "Power of One" means that individual blogger can make the difference. You and I can have a dialog one-on-one. "Global Resources" mean truly world wide access, you on one end and I on the other end to mention few of the trillions of combinations. Never ever available to human kind before. This is just one social aspect. Economic aspects are redefining the entire corporate approach, which was based large ownership to own large assets. New approach does not rely on it. Please go and research iPod phenomenon. Apple does not own all the parts that went in its creation. The network of its suppliers own a lot of intellectual and physical assets. This network creates the competitive advantage.

This just the opposite of concentrated media. New media is distributed media. Opposite of what in your ignorance attributed to Mills. My challenge to you still remains, produce a single article by Mills on this phenomenon.
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#79 Posted by masadi on July 27, 2008 10:28:42 am
g'night
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#78 Posted by masadi on July 27, 2008 10:09:40 am
Matloob Zaman Army apologist writes "With all the knowledge that you spew here, your should change your name from masadi to "errorist" yes without a T that is. "

I know that PMA types those that eat the crumbs off the floor of those that suck on the blood of humanity are intellectually challenged to respond to whatever knowledge I share here, hense your post full of personal attacks and totally devoid of challenging even one of my points. WE expect that from those that possess the brains of toads that escaped the high school laboratory when the student was half done with his "toad brain lobotomy"....
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