The Indian Mujahideen – The Answer to BJP’s Pseudo-Secularist Fascism or a New Method to Spread Unrest?

Re: # 182
Tahmed...
So, Mr. Arab Slave, the oldest social engineering based on specialisation of skills (which is still followed in most advanced countries, specialy in education field) is mischief to you!!!!....
And the arabic nomads, which had two defined professions 1) looting and cheating 2) trading - is better social model!!! keep it up....

Sattar:


Thanks. This is also my understanding - quran plus sunnah. This means that political islam, including sharia, to the extent it is based on the Prophet's temporal life, is also valid.

#234 Posted by masadi

[No message that goes out of its way to separate itself from its deliverer can have anything to do with how credible the deliverer is or not. Even if Satan himself would deliver a message of truth, that does not take away from the message.]

This would be true if "Allah" indeed delivered the "message" (containing crucial chapters like "The Cow") to mo in the cave via the winged creature. But if mo was lying about that, then it would not be "Allah's" message, now would it? Regardless of whether the Hindus are bigots and Islam-haters.

Cock-and-bull stories from credible people are still cock-and-bull stories. But cock-and-bull stories from a man obviously without any character and thus without any credibility is worth as much as tahmed's opinions.

DM,

From what I know, it is consistent with Ahmadi-Muslim viewpoint as well as my own: That the message of Quran can’t be justifiably separated from the person of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) … in a sense that his (pbuh) practices and conduct are exemplary for Muslims.

sattar#237:

This one:

"One cannot ignore the importance Quran attaches to the Prophet (pbuh). That the message and the messenger are one … is made abundantly clear in Quran.:

masadi (#233),

As a general comment, domain of truth stretches all the way to the boundary of falsehood. So “one step� may very well be what separates the two anyway.

“Mainstream Christianity� declares Jesus to be God Himself. On the other hand, while associating great importance to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), Quran makes it abundantly clear that worship is for Allah alone.

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And I am not sure that mission of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was to only “deliver the message, period�.

While Quran does remind Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to “only deliver the message�, it does so in the context of disbelievers. That is, if people persist in disbelief, all the Prophet (pbuh) should do is to deliver the message and leave matters at that. This perhaps is a way to remind the Prophet (pbuh) and his followers to not force their belief on others and to let others choose as they will.

However, in the case of believers, role of the Prophet (pbuh) is expanded beyond that of only the conveyer of the message. He is declared the best example for followers. Furthermore, his mission comprises not only conveying the message, but also to purify the believers and to teach them scripture and wisdom.

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DM (#232), I am not sure which opinion you are referring to here … so will wait for you to clarify.

You all have a good evening, and write a line to the not so pleasant Chowk Staff to publish my articles they have censored and to offer me their written apologies to all the injustice they have done to my literary contributions here on chowk.

Thank you kindly,

Sincerely,

The new and improved Masadi

tahmed writes ""reservations" (of "affirmative action") is for a good goal but is fundamentally a self-defeating method ..."

IT is not self-defeating it tries to level the playing field by repairing the historical wrongs that have put certain groups in a disadvantage and it tries to counter the implicit "affirmative action" that exists as unwritten rules that helps the advantaged groups, like the white man in America, the one that you worship.

If you had a spine, I would have ended with "hope that helps", but it wont. So like I said earlier, have a nice day because the place you and other members of the Church of WMW are ending is not a very pleasant place. Temperature control there has not been working since eternity, so pack appropriately.

Sincerely,

The new and improved Masadi

ajeya writes "There is a much more fundamental reason why the "prophet's" life and character become crucial. It has to do with credibility..."

No message that goes out of its way to separate itself from its deliverer can have anything to do with how credible the deliverer is or not. Even if Satan himself would deliver a message of truth, that does not take away from the message. The Hindu bigots and Islam haters want to center the message in the personality of a man, whereas the message establishes credibility based on criteria of reason, argumentation and fact. Hadith establishes its credibility based on subjective "proof" like how truthful the narrator was and as we know, the margin of error in that is over 98% false based on the most authentic of collectors, Bukhari..

sattar writes "One cannot ignore the importance Quran attaches to the Prophet (pbuh). That the message and the messenger are one … is made abundantly clear in Quran."

You are one step away from claiming like the christians that the messenger and Allah are one. The Quran goes out of its way to to differentiate between the message, having as its source God, and the messenger who is given added status because of his office of messenger, not his character, and that being "to deliver the message" period.

sattar2#22:

Is this your opinion or the Ahmadi view as well?

#230 by tahmed32

i know truth hurts.

Personal experience perhaps?

#229 and others: i know truth hurts. my condolences.

#tahmed

“Why do non-brahmin hindus put up with this implied insult to their heritage by "being offered a chance to become brahmin" is beyond me!!�

for the same reason….. every “purelander� paki wants to become “puesdo arab syed�………

#tahmed

“Why do non-brahmin hindus put up with this implied insult to their heritage by "being offered a chance to become brahmin" is beyond me!!�

for the same reason….. every “purelander� i wants to become “puesdo arab syed�………

#217 by tahmed32

You have just proved that, while accusing subcontinent muslims day-in day-out on chowk of forgetting their heritage, hindus themselves dont mind leaving their "poor relatives" behind as sudras or whatever and becoming brahmin!

This is the kind of c*****a arguments that Pakis come up with day in and day out. If you say that anyone can become a Brahmin, you are damned. If you argue exactly the opposite, you are still damned.