Ahmedabad Blasts: Numbed Apathy and The Conspiracy Of Our Resilience

Ajeya sahib,

Other than mischief there seems to be no purpose behind your ill conceived question. Whether there are a gazillion "winged angels" or just one, you will never have the good fortune of running into one. In the meantime look at other winged creatures that deliver messages as analogies to the not so well understood nor so visible angels, that lurk behind the mystery of the brain/cosmos connection..

I remain sincerely and humbly
The New and Improved Masadi....

#205 masadi

Hey masadi, I had a question. Other than Gabriel, how many other winged angels are there zooming around? Did muhammad meet any angel other than Gabby? Or was Gabby the only one he met?

I ask you this because you are obviously a deeply intellectual (and thus brainy) person. As all true Muslims really are.

Answer to Shantic violence is Indianization of Shanti. Tahir would you please help Lalit in gujaratification of Shanti. This is necessary to dearabize Shanti. You can start with the Shanti Pustika which Arab call Koran. Would you please write here in 100 words spiritual essence of Shanti, aka Islam in Arabic.

Re: # 208 Satta

What are you suggesting here by Gandhi's quote?

Mahatma Gandhi said it several decades ago. Here is what he said:

"There is no doubt in my mind that in the majority of quarrels the Hindus come out second best. But my own experience confirms the opinion that the Mussalman as a rule is a bully, and the Hindu as a rule is a coward. I have noticed this in railway trains, on public roads, and in the quarrels which I had the privilege of settling. Need the Hindu blame the Mussalman for his cowardice? Where there are cowards, there will always be bullies. They say that in Saharanpur the Mussalmans looted houses, broke open safes and, in one case, a Hindu woman's modesty was outraged. Whose fault was this? Mussalmans can offer no defence for the execrable conduct, it is true. But I, as a Hindu, am more ashamed of Hindu cowardice than I am angry at the Mussalman bullying. Why did not the owners of the houses looted die in the attempt to defend their possessions? Where were the relatives of the outraged sister at the time of the outrage? Have they no account to render of themselves? My non-violence does not admit of running away from danger and leaving dear ones unprotected. Between violence and cowardly flight, I can only prefer violence to cowardice."

Lalit,

You kind of tripped me as you started sounding like demented morons in India like the Arundhattis/Teestas etc who are jihadis or their allies in mufti. Let their near and dear ones taste the jihadi medicine and then we will see. In your case supposedly your uncle was delivered this medicine. But your colonial dhimmi piskology went into higher gear. That is why I felt you are dissembling, at worst lying. These demented morons who are well represented in elites of ex colonies in order to look macho in their master's eyes and hide their frustration will come out and rationalize and actually take their vent out on so called bhumiputra "Hindu extremists"; it makes them look exalted, esepcially in the court of western opinion as this line of argument is in vouge, and it gives them a escapist route; "I am not the helpless victim who was attacked as revenge for Gujarat", rather, "I am the macho enlightened saint who can expose the Hindus extremists who are the cause of this". And note these very same people will have no problem talking about the excesses of so called "Al Quaida" and Bin Ladin, once again because it's the western norm.

Mulla Multankar though Arabized Pakistani Elite (APE) does not fall into above mentioned demented elite of the subcontinent but still a demented ape because he is working for imperialism of Arabs of 7th century, in the garb of Shanti religion.

Re: # 196 DM
"Even this sura could be interpreted differently. I interpreted "thine own tongue" as Arabic, which was the Prophet's tongue."

Right! Would God guide you in Greek language if you lived in the deserts of Arabia centuries ago? Every misguided or completely lost community received guidance in its own language. It is indeed the misfortune of the Muslim governments that they provide no incentive to students in learning this rich language. Instead, the students go for 'easy Urdu' at the most!

This 'ayah' was to erase the excuse of Arabs saying 'This Qur'an is in the Hebrew language which we don't understand!'

Every excuse has been countered in the Book, and only the One who KNOWS His creation can truly answer these!

Guru, you bigot, you can learn more than "good English" from me. Keep your posts short, keep them relevant and avoid condemning groups and soothing your bigotry. Then, maybe with half the effort you might get double of what you are getting across now.

BK writes about Guru "Guru, you are true bevakoof. Your stupid comments littering threads throughout this site are a testiment to your foolishness. You add nothing of benefit to any discussion but the idiocy factor..... "

This sorry excuse for a human being, Guru, deliberately ruins other discussions that are going on by adding long copy pastes and distracts from the real issues on hand by converting every discussion into an Islam bashing session. Chowk Staff have given him free reign to lower the standards of this site and ensure that the tyrants that fund them don't get anything published against them, hense their censorship of my articles, and even exposing them in interacts becomes a big deal when people like Guru catapult, through copy pastes and hijack through non issues every thread with their nonsense....

Initially I thought Mulla Mandar Multankar (Masadi) was genuine and had good ideas, but realized that he jsut revolves around kabba of western elites and allaha. For us both are western onlee. Bt he think this revolving is working for revolution. But I can learn good english from him and testicular ahmed. this ahmed again lost his testicles (arguments) while discussing math of astronomicla calculationss. this scientist guy did not know what is billion. From him also I can learn english. i have standing offer for testicular ahmed to work in Dharavi mobile schools for poor kids of which Shantic kids being 35%. That will be doing something worthwhile.

It seems this site is

devoid of ideas,

promotes false identities

causes meaningless interactions.

somewhere here some one talking about AI plane bombing over atalntic in which my friend died.

bhindranwale, chouhan of khalistan and mann are creation of anglo colonialism. where was khalistan/pakistan idea started? answer: london. AI bombings was aided by an agency. this agency became vicious after 74 atomic explosions.

Unless people come together at mohalla level and form community of shared past, culture and language, the forces which are against india can not be defeated by politics or even media. the so called democracy, media and so called elites are seemed to be working for these forces. Modi might be extemist but he does not have swiss bank accunt and seems to be well meaning. Shantic folks need to dearibize Shanti and dhammify it. People like Lalit should reject even the alien vocabulary of secularism because all the good stuff of secularism and democracy can be found in Dharma and Panchayat Raj. Otherwise we all will taken on big ride as in the following story.

Retired testicular ahmed once lied about a dalit pregnant woman died because treatent was denied to her becaue of her dalitness, a Dawn story. With in 15 minutes I showed to him that the woman did not die but her child died during the delivery, that too because private hospital did not admit her because she did not have money. these testiculars and other Chakrams have nothing else to do but score browny points. Lalit, that is why I gave you list of actions. Granted may be little extreme, but hope was that you will discuss and come to a consensus of the golden middle.

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It’s a call that the Andhra Pradesh Government has finally honoured. A pilgrimage to the Holy Land of Bethlehem has been made easy for the Christians in the state.

State Minority Welfare Minister Mohammed Ali Shabbir says, “An exclusive financial corporation will fund and arrange the Christians’ visit to the holy shrines. It’s on the lines of the arrangements made for Muslims going on the Haj pilgrimage to Mecca.”

For this purpose, five Christian religious places have been identified with Jerusalem as the principal stopover. The week-long pilgrimage will have at least 50-100 pilgrims.

With a budget of Rs 2 crore, about 900 poor Christians can expect to visit the Holy Land this financial year. In fact, the first batch of pilgrims is likely to visit Bethlehem in August. The Government is giving a grant of Rs 20,000 for each pilgrim, an amount given to Haj pilgrims as well.

While a date with the divinity has almost been fixed, a certification issued by the mandal revenue officer or tehsildar will identify the eligible pilgrims.

The applicant’s secondary school certificate is yet another tool through which the eligibility will be judged. The pilgrims are to be chosen on the first-come-first-serve basis.

They can apply online and must have a passport valid for two years. To smoothen the process, the state Government has decided to create an exclusive division headed by an IAS officer of the rank of principal secretary in the Department of Minority Welfare.

There’s also a possibility of creation of a new department for the welfare of Christian minorities supervised by the civil servant heading the Department of Minority Welfare.

It may sound too good to be true, but the new entity will not just look at the religious concerns of the Christians but will also take up issues like mass marriages. Couples who marry under this scheme will be given Rs 15,000 to meet the expenses.

Keeping pace with these developments, a similar scheme for Muslims will be taken up by the Wakf Board. Generosity is reigning, with Chief Minister Y.S. Rajasekhara Reddy allocating Rs 5 crore for the project.

The mantra seems to be simple— make hay while the state Government shines on you. These measures are being taken at a time when numerous complaints pour in from the non-Muslim minorities who state that the Muslims are enjoying benefits under the Department of Minority Welfare while the rest are denied their share of funds proportionate to their population.

Hence, Reddy decided to end the discrimination. The funds for different welfare schemes will be allocated in accordance with the population of the minorities.

According to the 2001 Census, Christians account for about 1.55 per cent of Andhra Pradesh’s population (about 12 lakh), while Muslims form 9.2 per cent of the population (about 70 lakh). There are about 31,000 Sikhs and an equal number of other minorities.

However, the move hasn’t been given a clean chit by all the members of the community. Archbishop Marampudi Joji, head of the Hyderabad Diocese that represents the Catholic Church in Andhra Pradesh, says, “This is a welcome gesture but the Government needs to rework the norms for the pilgrims, especially where they have to prove that they are poor or even Christians by presenting certificates given by the authorities. This could sadly lead to spiritual groupism.”

On the other hand, G. Samuel, president of the state chapter of the All India Christian Council, says, “A separate finance corporation would ensure equitable distribution of Rs 127 crore allocated for the welfare of minorities.”

Sociologists contend that demanddriven strategy may lead to sharper divides. But then with elections fast approaching, political expediency may take precedence over political reasoning.

is this site run by fake candle kissers or agencies. it seems the information explosion has actually stufidied and paralyzed many. Lalit was saying he is the man of action. Does his action stop at blaming (seems mainly bjp and modi)?

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Much blood was spilled on the streets of Ahmedabad in the serial blasts that claimed at least 50 lives, but this city's blood banks have plenty to offer to victims, with college students, NCC cadets and others queuing up as donors everyday.

'I feel as if I am donating blood to a family member,' said NCC candidate Parmar Alpesh; 150 National Cadet Corps (NCC) cadets in their teens have proudly donated blood.

Similar was the feeling among hundreds of men and women from across Gujarat who came forward after news of the tragedy spread. The 21 blasts across Ahmedabad last Saturday injured around 200 people.

'We have so much stock of blood yet no one has asked us,' said Jigar Suthar of the private Mahagujarat Blood Bank referring to news reports that LG Hospital in Maninagar was in need of A and amp; O positive blood groups.

There is enough blood for victims in need of it at government hospitals.

As far as blood supply is concerned, doctors are being cautious but not worried. 'Though we have sufficient blood, we may need more if the situation demands,' said a doctor at VS Hospital.

Volunteers have come from many districts in the hope of giving blood. On Sunday, it was an opportunity for the first-time students of Patan who came in droves to donate blood.

'I feel happy that my blood is being used for needy victims of the serial bomb blasts in Ahmedabad,' said Jignna Desai, 19, narrating her first time experience.

There were several youngsters like Desai who gladly queued up at a camp in the Mehsana Sarvjanilk Vidyalaya.

Tejendra Prasadji, the former head of Kalupur Swaminarayan temple in Ahmedabad, popularly known as Mota Maharaj, was present on the occasion.

'It is rare to see entire people of the state showing such intense solidarity with the wounded. And what can be better than donating blood for the needy,' the Maharaj said.

Ashish Rathod, 18, was thrilled to give his blood. 'There can be no better way to share your sympathy with the affected people of Ahmedabad,' he said.

G.K. Patel, 60, an orthopaedic surgeon who had arranged the camp in Mehsana to commemorate his 150th blood donation camp was the cynosure of all eyes.

'We will provide as much blood as needed for the victims,' Patel said adding that collection teams from VS Hospital, Red Cross Society and Cancer Hospital were present there.

'In the days to come we could go up by 3,000 bottles if the need arises,' he said.

The aftermath of the tragedy is writ large over the hospitals.

Hashmukhbhai Chaloda, 52, is ruing the day he took bus No.150 from Guptanagar to Sarkhej. There was an explosion in the bus that left him blind in one eye and partially damaged the other. His hearing has also been affected.

Under treatment at VS Hospital here, a crestfallen Hashmukhbhai said: 'I don't know what will happen now.'

Saturday's events are ticking away in his mind.

'I noticed two youths sitting in front of me in the bus and they had a black bag between them. The bus had crossed Juhapura and the youths got down at the next Hajibaugh stop.

'Before anyone could realise anything, they vanished quietly, leaving the bag behind. As the bus began to move someone called the conductor who was issuing tickets in the rear saying the two men had forgotten their bag,' said Hashmukhbhai.

The conductor said the bag would be handed over to Sarkhej police at the next stop. It was 7 p.m. at that time and as Hashmukhbhai sat wondering about the bag, it suddenly started bouncing and exploded, spewing dense black smoke.

'I think I was thrown out of the front door.' With his face bleeding profusely, Hashmukhbhai was rushed to VS Hospital where he lies in a specially created general ward for blast victims.

Ambaben, 51, and her daughter Bhavna, 20, from the Govindvadi area of Isanpur in Maninagar had just bought vegetables from a vendor close to a tea kiosk when they heard a booming sound.

'We had just paid the vendor and Bhavna was taking the change when the massive blast occurred,' Ambaben told IANS from the general ward.

The panic stricken mother and daughter instinctively ran away from the scene and in the mad rush, Bhavna fell and fractured her right leg while Ambaben sustained leg injuries caused by bomb splinters.

some times i wonder what s the purpose of this site. it definitely does not brings subcontinent together for any action. probably for ladki logs to write love stories and whine, mulla mandar multankar to flaunt his red lipstick and pink maskara and lalit type people to politicize and pad their resumes with number of publications. is this site yet another filmfare or stardust?

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'Mummy, papa ke paas jana hai (I want to go to mummy and papa,' cries 11-year-old Yash, his little body swathed in bandages as he lies in a bed at the Civil Hospital here. Little does Yash know that his father was killed in Saturday's explosion at the hospital that left him and his elder brother badly injured.

Yash suffered 50 percent burns in the blast that hit the hospital when the wounded were being wheeled in. His 14-year-old brother Rohan lies on an adjacent bed, wailing in pain. He has suffered 75 percent burns and his condition is stated to be critical.

Yash has to be fed intravenously. Doctors say his recovery would be slowed down because of the trauma he has suffered.

The two brothers and their father had come cycling down to the hospital from a nearby locality when the bomb exploded in the hospital's trauma centre Saturday evening.

'I am constantly requesting people to stay out of this ward. Apart from posing a possible infection source, the crowds remind the kids of the blast as the trauma centre was crowded when the incident happened,' a doctor on duty told IANS.

Two high intensity bombs exploded in the state-run Civil Hospital, the city's biggest hospital, when victims of the serial blasts elsewhere were being rushed in for treatment. The hospital blasts killed over a dozen people.

'The mother of the two kids is also in a state of shock,' their aunt Bhawna said.

Bhavesh, 20, the only breadwinner of his family, has not yet got over the shock of the explosion that hit him and left him badly injured. His only mistake was to have rushed to help the injured at the hospital when they were being wheeled in on Saturday. Little did he know that a powerful bomb would jeopardize his own life.

Seeing this correspondent standing by his bed, Bhavesh beckoned with his bandaged hand. 'When can I drink water and begin to eat,' he mumbled.

His distraught mother Basanti said: 'He was taking out a victim on a stretcher when the bomb exploded. He was the only bread earner of our family. His father died earlier. I do not know what will happen now.'

Another Samaritan who rushed to help blast victims, Vinod Bhai, lies on another bed, his limbs paralysed.

'I had brought 10-15 people from the blast sites in Bapu Nagar to the hospital. But now I will never be able to go to help people in distress again,' said Vinod Bhai, an auto rickshaw driver. His two daughters and wife are yet to recover from the shock.

Family members of the injured are filled with anger against the terrorists and their senseless act of violence.

'The terrorists have destroyed everything,' said Saroj. Her father was severely injured in the blasts.

'It is like hitting below the belt. The terrorists planned the serial blasts meticulously. They knew the city has only two government hospitals and expected the victims of the earlier blasts to be rushed there and targeted them as well,' said Franic D'souza, who had come to offer his services to the victims.

lalit aap lage raho in politicking...
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They had bought white cloth to wrap bodies. But in a savage irony, Jaikishenbhai Chandubhai Patel, 51 and Jashwantbhai Ranchhodbhai Patel, 60, were wrapped in the same shroud when they were killed as a bomb exploded while they were helping the injured at the Civil Hospital here.

The story of the two friends, just one of the many tales of courage that have come to light after 21 blasts on Saturday evening killed at least 50 and injured 200, is the stuff that films are made of.

The popular do-gooders of the city had been at it since 1969, offering succour and help when communal riots broke out. Then there was a major fire at the Neelkanth Mahadev temple in the early 1980s, the anti-reservation and communal riots of 1985, a plane crash in 1989, the killer earthquake of 2001 and the communal riots of 2002, recounts a broken Manharbhari, Jaikishenbhai's elder brother.

On Saturday, their luck ran out.

The two, both members of an informal help group, rushed to the Civil Hospital at 7.15 p.m. with other young workers on hearing of the serial explosions. About half-an-hour later, as they were helping the injured at the Civil Hospital Trauma Centre, a blast went off.

It was so powerful that the 15 to 20 vehicles in the parking lot a couple of yards away were blown apart.

The bodies of both friends were badly mutilated.

'I cannot tell you how I feel. Both Jaikishenbhai and Jashwantbhai had taught the local youths to help others and now both of them are no more with us. But our noble work to help the injured will continue,' says Manharbhai.

On hearing the news of the blasts, they purchased 28 metres of white cloth to wrap bodies in if the need arose. But fate willed otherwise. Their own bodies were wrapped in the sheet brought by them!

The day had started off innocuously enough.

While Jashwantbhai, an expert mechanic, was busy at his garage in the locality of Asarwa, Jaikishenbhai was swimming in the local pool. On hearing of the terror attack, Jashwantbhai put the shutters down in his garage and rushed to the trauma centre to find that Jaikishenbhai was already there.

They got right down to what they had done so many times - lending a helping hand. For the last time.

Re: # 184 Guru, just curious; are you Congenitally Dsiruptive & generally Socially Dysfunctional or did I tick you off somewhere in this thread? :-)

All,

Anyway, Below is the list of 18 people out of 43 who lost their lives due to the blast at Civil Hospital.

Total no. of people that died is 51
Civil hospital - 43
VS hospital - 4
LG Hospital - 4

Death list at Civil (mostly in the bomb blast at Civil as the injured were being brought in)

1) Vishnu Patel
2) Chirag Shah
3) Dahiben Kalubhai
4) Dr.Prerak Shah
5) Dr.Sanket
6) Dushyant Vyas
7) Jagdishbhai
8) Jashvant Patel
9) Jaikishan Chandubhai
10) Kinjal Prerak Shah (wife of the good Doctor Prerak in 4 above, pregnant with their first chile)
11) Mansukh Gidhabhai
12)popatbhai
13) Prakash Shah
14 ) Vijay Pattani
15)Rajkamal Bihola
16)Sumit Gajera
17) Sunil Gajera
18)Virendrabhai

Rest of the names will be declared later ... will post them when available, but I had honestly thought both communities suffered - Going by the list, well; may not ... Hmmmm