Responsibility of the Media and the Repercussions of Terror Strikes

"It seems that the BJP has started identifying the Congress with some malignant star which is not letting it acquire the power position it is after. Only a few days ago, the chief minister of Gujarat, Narendra Modi, blamed the UPA government for the drought in his state. His line of reasoning was unique. He said that the Central government has angered god, whoever that might be, by its stance on the Amarnath issue and by suggesting the demolition of Ram Setu. The monsoon’s delay in Gujarat, Modi reasoned, was the evidence of divine wrath. One can only laugh at such presumptions. And now one of the seniormost leaders of the BJP, Sushma Swaraj, has provided the occasion for even more derisive laughter by laying the blame for the blasts at the UPA’s door. Swaraj’s comment is not surprising, if one remembers that she had once threatened to shave her head and wear a white sari if Sonia Gandhi became the country’s prime minister. Her claim might be ridiculous but it is also dangerous, especially if one considers the political position Swaraj holds. She should not have been so rash with her tongue when speaking to the press.

Swaraj’s outburst makes it clear that the BJP still cannot accept the fact of its defeat in the trust vote. Does the BJP’s concern for votes override that for human lives? If the party is indifferent towards the people, then how can it hope to govern India? The BJP’s prime ministerial candidate, L.K. Advani, should clarify whether Swaraj’s views are her own or that of her party as well."

Re: # 72
Barbarism....

Re: # 77
Partha....
This is pure stupid stuff....

Terror attacks in various parts of Maharashtra had put immense pressure on NCP and to some extent on Congress regarding electoral prospect within marathi votes. Siv Sena wave decimited for corruption charges against Bal Thakrey and his family. After kicking out of moslem thugs from Mumbai, Siv Sena have not much to claim, which can bring it back to power. The recent bomb attacks in various parts of Maharashtra can cause marathi votes consolidating with Bal Thakrey and Siv Sena....
So, the MNS nuicense about North Indians etc... is basically misdeeds of Congress and to some extent Sharad Pawar.So, this kind of stupid allegation...
You need to be influenced by some evil ideology like Islam to carry out such henious crime ( killing innocents in public places).

http://www.mailtoday.in/182008/epaperhome.aspx

http://www.sacw.net/DC/CommunalismCollection/ArticlesArchive/3jul08gatade.html


"Enter the world of Sanatan Sanstha and Hindu Janjagruti Samiti, which recently reached national headlines for completely non-spiritual reasons, when its activists/members were arrested by Anti Terrorism Squad (ATS) of the Maharashtra state for recent bomb blasts in Maharashtra. It was sheer coincidence that these terrorists belonging to these organisations could be nabbed and for the first time a possibility emerged about tracing the real culprits behind many unexplained bomb blasts in this part of Western India."

Before 1992 it was on soc.cultue.indian.

We had already thrashed contribution of legions of desert lands and of semites. Consensus was that they unleashed on earth the most devillish and destreuctive idealogies all over the world. India, ASEAN, Africa and Americas suffered the most. India could have stopped this idealogical devil had it not turned pacifists because of Jain and Buddhism.

Re: # 65
Partha...
You seems to be greatest joker....If people of the state suffers, who will be ultimate target? The committer of crime.... If people don't find him, whom will you blame? The state Govt....And BJP has comfortable majority in Gujrat and growing steadily in Karnataka. Why will they bomb these places, which are their cash cows?

Abusive messages, anti-Muslim comments



It's tough to deal with abusive comments that keep coming every day. There are regular such emails and comments on the posts. Most of these guys don't even bother to read the posts and it appears they are full of hate towards Islam and Muslims.




Then I would always console myself that cyberspace is different from normal world. Today there are bombs exploding and Islam is linked to terrorism.


But why was such a similar hatred, 16 years ago or even before that, when Babri Masjid was destroyed and when Muslims were openly abused.
Tab Tushtikaran thaa...the so-called appeasement of Muslims by politicians. And people had suddenly become such experts in history that they could tell you how many atrocities Aurangzeb and Babur had done on Hindus in this country. Even then, it was not easy for Muslim to get a house on rent (I am not talking about jobs or any other thing).





Almost 99% of Hindus that I know have deep resentment, if not hatred, of muslims for what they have inflicted on India.




Saad Akhtar said...
A difficult problem for sure. But hey, it's the internet.. the best solution is to Fuck it, and move on.

As I like to say on such occasions... It's the Internet, it's full of assholes.

Re: # 72 Stunned-100
Can't you spend $10 on an English translation of the Qur'an? Why must we collect karo chanda for you?

Re: # 71:

indians cant read alien arabic. but we have taken this pious task of indianizing shanti so that Shantoi reaches to all Indians. that is why the request to you. Would you please write 100/500 words capturing spiritual core of Shanti (aka Islam)?

Re: # 70 Stuntman-100
Dear phew-nephew,

Nobody can go one up on God; He has already explained everything in His revelation.

Do find time away from the TV/Time/Newsweek.

Regards to all at the old-home.

Tahir Mamuji,

Would you please write 100/500 words capturing spiritual core of Shanti (aka Islam)?

it was faulty 555 iC batch which saved Surat.

Parthaab or is it Adab of ISI

ISI agents would like to create animosity between USA and India?

Your posts are proof of that. Why BJP would hurt the people of its own state?

YOu are chirmuri when it comes to technology and computing/internet.

Re: # 50 Sad-100
"His 7th century Saudi mind uttered words..."

ChowQians, please note that Satya-100 thinks Prophet Muhammad (peace on him) was a Saudi Arabian citizen.

What can one discuss with such folks?

Re: # 48 Pinks
"Either your are ignorant or trapped in your emotions/ego or you are deceptive, because Kuran is not a word of God..."

Now you leave me with no choice but to act wisely: I will stay silent after this reply.

You live in a cage of constant denial and inner conflict. If you insist you are at peace with yourself, what can I say? What I can SEE is that you're one million miles away from understanding the real 'message' of the Qur'an.

I think you're so full of hate for the Word that you don't even wish to see what it says. This will lead you to a much bigger problem; you'll not be able to understand those around you who practise God's prescribed way.

Your idea about Hindus not remaining Hindus will not please the mosque-destroying hate-mongering hard-liners of India.

In the meantime (since you advocate taking ideas from all available sources!), do accept something from Islam.

Come back when you're finished reading The Book or have researched its fundamentals.

Shanti

Re: # 63

It is obvious to any clown and his dog, that the BJP did the bombings.

How else can ELEVEN of 22 bombs be 'discovered' in all kinds of places, by the same BJP man? And when interviewed on TV, he had the gumption to say that he was very 'lucky'. Lucky indeed, to find 11 bombs out of 22! And to boot, an American has been apprehended for sending prank emails from a 'jihadi' organisation to put the police off track. And now this man claims someone hacked into his email account! Why would anyone need to hack into an account, when it can simply be done from an internet center? No doubt there will be American pressure to release him now.

It would be a damn fool who would believe the Indian police investigation to be anywhere based on facts or the truth.


http://churumuri.wordpress.com/

Mr 100 sahib don't attack the site on which you dump your copy pastes just to cover up your inadequacies and impotency in the field of manliness...

Enjoy while it lasts, once it goes you'll be sitting wondering what use to put your keyboard to.

I remain,
cynically clear, strong as a bear, absolutely no fear, under new repair,

The New and Improved Masadi

chowk has become a garbage dump for red lipstick and pink maskarawalas like parthab who do nothing better than lying thru their teeth. btw i am not bjp, shivsena or any party supporter.

AHMEDABAD/SURAT: On the morning after the Ahmedabad serial blasts, The Times of India ran the headline — Bangalore, Ahmedabad. Who's Next? The answer is here. With two explosives-packed cars and 18 bombs being discovered across Surat, it's clear that terrorists had planned a deadly serial attack on the diamond capital of India. ( Watch )

Gujarat's second largest city would have been sucked into another round of tragedy had the terrorists succeeded in blowing up what appears to be at least three dozen bombs — between the incendiary material found in WagonRs on Sunday and the assembled bombs discovered in the densely populated city on Tuesday. Surat is home to a Rs 70,000 crore diamond industry.

Late on Tuesday, media organizations in Gujarat received two emails threatening more terror attacks. "Indian Mujahideen will not stop even if our mission in Surat failed," said one email sent from alarbigujarat@sify.com. It was not clear if the emails came from a terrorist outfit or were just pranks. Police hope to get leads by Wednesday.

The discoveries in Surat brought relief but raised deadlier questions. How come a huge operation involving three of the country's largest cities escaped the intelligence radar? Did a police crackdown in Surat following the Ahmedabad blasts trigger sufficient panic among the merchants of death to abandon their deadly cargo? And abandon it carelessly enough — one of them on a tree top!

The discovery was also often quite by chance. Sanjay Kaporia (35), a lace-cloth supplier from Varachha, for instance, saw something odd in the dustbin outside his shop. Unmindful of the risk, he walked with the live bomb for 22 metres to Labeshwar police chowki. "I thought it is best to bring it here," he said. Bhimji Budhna, BJP councillor from Varachha, also detected one. "I was passing by Mini Market when I saw a green plastic bag stuck between signboards of two shops. It looked like a bomb, like the ones I've seen on TV. So I called the police." (SAJA and red lipsitck-pink maskara only indulge at frolicking and politicking... parthab would you please start campaign for $ fund to convert Shantic temples aka mosques into Bharat Mata Community Center)

Surat top cop wants more bomb disposal personnel

Surat police commissioner, R M S Brar, claimed that the bombs found in Surat were abandoned on Monday night. He has asked for more bomb disposal personnel. Surat's escape from terror was providential.

It was clearly in the jihadi crosshairs, even though Surat remained an island of peace while the rest of Gujarat burned during riots in 2002. There were no answers from security agencies, completely confounded by the rapid unfolding of what now has emerged as the biggest serial terror plot in independent India. Brar said he didn't know what's going on.

"But we'll get to the bottom of this," he promised. Brar said that after the Ahmedabad blasts, his officers had gone on a public awareness spree, asking them to maintain vigil and report anything unusual to the cops. Policemen also set up checkpoints and roadblocks around the city.

The first inkling of the impending attacks came on Sunday when the two cars were found with ammonium nitrate, shrapnel, detonators and binding agents for bombs. By Tuesday morning, the evidence was overwhelming. Citizens found 18 more bombs strewn around the buzzing diamond-studded Varachha area, densely populated marketplaces, road dividers, a tree and a hoarding on a flyover.

Among the 'master sleuths' who found the bombs, was one Bhimji Budhna, who tipped off the cops about ELEVEN of the 22 recovered bombs! A BJP corporator, he "doesn't remember who informed him about the bombs." But he was pretty good at finding them. He found one hanging from a tree, another hidden behind a billboard, and a third behind a tree guard (whatever that is).

About two dozen bombs were discovered in the city, some at unlikely places--tucked behind hoarding bills and up on trees. But no one appears to know who first spotted a bomb.... The police seem to have been tipped off about MOST of the bombs by one group of BJP activists. But in most cases they weren't the ones who spotted the bombs. They were TOLD about it by others. Now, in being asked, they seem to have forgotten who were the people who told them about the bombs."

Another guy, Sanjay Kapooria, who isn't a party member but Budhna described as "one of us," actually brought a bomb to the police station, where he claimed he'd fished it out of a trash can near his jewelry shop. Obviously a very courageous fellow, he says that after 18 unexploded bombs were recovered, he was sure that this one wouldn't go off either.

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Ajeya baitay, excuse me for a second I have to set somethings right first.

#55 hurricane

NAMAQOOL...don't test my patience. Verily the wrath of the Mullah is intense indeed. Stop speaking on my behalf, for you are not yet ready to be my mouthpiece. You still have virulent strains of sufiism (astaghfarullah) in your brain. Until I have rid you of all lovey dovey thought, you are not yet ready to speak on my behalf!

Ajeya,

Baitay, you should give up all sorts of violations of khawateen. Please repent your evil ways and join the path of the righteous.





I remain, your humble master

your mullah,

Maulana Toofani

#52 mullah_toofani

[There is another responsibility that the media has: it must expose the evils of bride burning and widow killing, and aborting female babies. These are potential converts into my beautiful religion, and the hinuds should not be allowed to sprinkle gau muttar, kerosene oil, or lit torches at them.]

But gang-rape and honor killings are allowed, mullaji?

toofani,

would you pl capture in 500 words spiritual core of Shanti? pl do not get distracted by movies.

I did watch a movie called Kranti though...it was full of jokes...it was funny to see gentle lotus like hindu brothers holding up swords.

hahaha

It just looked so foreign...gentle lotus like peace loving hindus holding arbi instruments....funny

Satya baitay,

Baitay "Kranti" is not for you. I respect your right to remain as shant and peaceful as you want to. Leave the Kranti to your humble master.

Mullah Toofani,

Once Shanti is Indianized Indians will readily convert to this twenty-first post modern religion. I agree with you till we get this done we should not say OM Shanti Om Shanti, we should say OM Kranti OM Kranti. Om Kranti is not exactly what Arabs call Allaha Akberi or something like that but close enough.

Why dont you start working on capturing spiritual essence of Shanti in 100 words. Since Mulla Mandar is on line you can finish this first step in next 15 minutes. Since you both are mullas and and you work at toofani speed this is piece of jamun for you.

Toofani, your mannerisms are dispicable. I hope you have a big enough home to house the 'potential converts', they certainly wont fit in your tiny (chicken) heart.

I remain sincerely and humbly,
The New and Improved Masadi

There is another responsibility that the media has: it must expose the evils of bride burning and widow killing, and aborting female babies. These are potential converts into my beautiful religion, and the hinuds should not be allowed to sprinkle gau muttar, kerosene oil, or lit torches at them.


I remain, your humble master

your mullah,

Maulana Toofani

Mulla Mandar Multankar can also help Tahir in the noble work of Indianizing and bringing Shanti to twenty-first century.

Tahir,

Would you please help us in Indianizing, i.e. Marathiazing, Gujarathiazing, Telguazing Arabic religion called Shanti?

It's not only needs to be Indianized but also needs to be brought to twenty-first century. As it is when it took birth in 7th century, Mecca and Madina was probably equivalent of todays Sudan and Somalia. When the prophet got Samadhi in the cave, his personal ego should have got dissolved but it seems it did not. His 7th century Saudi mind uttered words about his experience and teachings for achieving same exalted state of mind like him. But his audience must be Bedouin very primitive humans. So we need to get only the spiritual essence from his teaching. Would you please capture that essence in 100 words, which if we follow we also become god's messenger or get Samadhi like Mohammed.

tahir,

[[There are visible holes in your 'dhoti'; do stitch them up.]]

Do let me know which holes you found in my dhoti, I may be naked:-) holes are ok as long as you know they are there.

#47 Posted by tahir,

tahir,
I do not care for material wealth, I don't consider I own anything, almost nothing, not even my family. You can only own responsibility for family, for car for whatever, but things themseleves are not yours/mine.

I asked you a very simple question and your answer anybody can see. Either your are ignorant or trapped in your emotions/ego or you are deceptive, because Kuran is not a word of God for average intelligent person if his/her intelect is not trapped by ego or whatever.

Demeaning life, God and this amazing world by saying you know completely either what this world is of who God is, or what his words are, is no way spritual. It is opposite of spirituality. Spirituality is simplicity, humbleness and its first principle is to be able to accept truths as they come to you. Not to inflate your ego and ignore truths.


I do support hinduism over Islam but I don't want them to remain hindus forever. The idea is not that Hinduism is good so become hindus, nope, the idea is that even if hinduism has such good ideas you still don't need to be a hindu to either abrob them or follow them. I don't like organized religions, God doesn't need them, none of them. You can take good ideas from anywhere, make great ideas but remain simple, no need to take God on your side and spread illusions and lies.

So you have to check where you are because I do not find a sync between your intellect/ability and your ideas, I know failry well where I am (though everybody knows so little).

If you are young, I feel more happy, that is good, you have more time to see things:-)

Re: # 44 Pinks
"so first tell them that your so called book is not word of God."

What did you have for breakfast Pinks? You must be slowly going crazy living in Disneyland!

No Muslims will admit to the words you're attempting to put into my mouth. Lips that call only upon the Sole Creator, and a heart that beats to His rhythm, cannot ever be swayed by careless statements.

"...if you are young, say around 35, you will see how things will unfold in front of your own eyes"

I hate to disappoint you but I'm not 35!

By the way, do sit down and read the Book that you dislike so much. I've read yours and found them pleasant. What you see around in the post-911 world may feel like the real thing but then is Coke the real thing?

Muslims rely on a God-sent master-plan, not the stink-tank ideas of multi-national corporations that drive policy. Can't you see what today's unblessed wealth is doing to the entire globe? And here you are putting down Muslims and God's Word?

Stop weighing yourself on the scale of material worth. Aren't you even 5% spiritual?

There are visible holes in your 'dhoti'; do stitch them up.

Pranay's defense of his fellow Muslims has indeed moved your Mullah immensely. Through tear blurred eyes have I read this article.

If the guilty are teenday with chutki wali pigtails and saffron garb, may they burn in hell after they've burned here.

If the guilty are darDhee walay, oonchi shalwar walay; may their daarDhees be infested with lice, and may they rot in hell.

Please stop killing muslims and hindus (potential momins).

Why does mullah get the sense that these type of bomb blast activities are planned and authorized by secularist types?


I remain, your humble master

your mullah,

Maulana Toofani

re #42 Posted by tahir

Tahir,


[[THIS is what WE believe in; what do YOU believe in? ]]

I believe in continuous evolvement of human intellect to solve continuously evolving problems plus not making complete fool of ourself by considering anything to be ok or good.

If you want to have solution for monkies problems and want to rely on those solution forever, your species will become extinct very soon.

There are no fixed solutions for the problems we will keep on facing.

Imagine we keep on increasing our population (say 15 billion after 100 years), there will be no way we can feed everybody with current technologies.

#42 Posted by tahir

tahir,
you first have to tell to world that you are not cheating, so first tell them that your so called book is not word of God. Once you have that much courage then we can discuss what exactly are today's problems, how many of them affect what proportions of humanity and how to solve them.

You will be able to find highly intelligent people to come up with good solutions. Just saying that your so called book has solutions for all problems while you neither understand problems nor solutions, doesn't make any sense for average intelligent people, you wil have to rely on hard-core fools in that case. Cheating and deceptions can not be used to teach good things to even a kid, for adults such cheatings are means to block refinement of intellect.



And if you are young, say around 35, you will see how things will unfold in front of your own eyes.

Re: # 41
Rupani,

U lied abt 'rounding up' stuff and u are therefore caught lying.

If u think otherwise then make no delay and send ur CV (attached with these 2 articles) to DC or Asian Age for a job.

Enjoy good life.

You think everything makes the front page of the news and I have considered DC they pay well;)

Re: # 39 Pinks
"that guy Irfan Husain will faint if you will make him read Kuran, he is almost a non-muslim by his thoughts, religion doesn't matter much to him"

This is exactly my point: leave the long sermons laced with fairy-tales OUT and decipher what the very practical REAL text. Believe me, it has been shown to work and you cannot ignore it by saying 'it won't work today'.

Look at today's ills, then look up for their solutions; the answers are all right there!

THIS is what WE believe in; what do YOU believe in?

Rupani,

U lied abt 'rounding up' stuff and u are therefore caught lying.

If u think otherwise then make no delay and send ur CV (attached with these 2 articles) to DC or Asian Age for a job.

Enjoy good life.

#32 Posted by Molaga on July 30, 2008 12:35:19 am



you quoted:
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Shreekrishna Padki:Dr. Bedi, Our Country's "Honourable" Home Misiter says existing laws are sufficient to fight terrorism in India, how far it is true?

Dr Kiran Bedi: no they are not....has anyone asked the police, the prosecutor, the judiciary....this is exactly the problem...ask the wearers of these shoes and they will tell u where all it hurts....listen to the practitioners...u will have the answers...and this be not a one time excercise but a regular dialogue
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Well, you should ask Pranay Rupani (or whatever his real name) to prosecute some terrorists or mafia don and then see what laws he uses and what he is able to do with them... Then only such people will get to know how current laws are no where capable of prosecuting terrorists, smugglers or people doing criminal activities in India but having foreign citizenship or even just living outside of india.....

re #38 Posted by tahir,
Which book Kuran??? Ha ha:-), that guy Irfan Husain will faint if you will make him read Kuran, he is almost a non-muslim by his thoughts, religion doesn't matter much to him, but if you forcefully make him read Kuran, he will first faint and will then be speechless for days:-) Try it:-)

All those articles have emails of those columnists atthe top... so i have it.. but nothing to talk to that guy, he just wish some day his Islam and muslim bros are good enough to fit in the real world and not just Kuranic world of their illusion

Boy, you need to have very good sense of humour to read Kuran and feel that it is God who is saying all this:-)

Pinky,

The problem with these pseudo-liberals (attempting to build bridges across cultures) is that now they must study the Book they've ignored all along. This means work and gaining knowledge in old age. It is THIS that they dislike.

What they ran away from now looks them in the eye!

Re: # 30 Pinky
"Clearly, many Muslims who have chosen to live in the West are not doing themselves any favours by their stand-offish behaviour and their bizarre views"

Who is he to speak for what they should and should not do in the West?

Pseudo-liberals.....

PS: here's his email, go cry over his shoulder now

Irfan.husain@gmail.com

Re: # 6
AAendra...
Stupdest comment....

Advani was the best home minister so far.


Parliament attackers were brought to the court and unfortunately due to change in Govt., the criminal is still alive due to moslem vote bank politics of Congress....

More than 24 hours later the "author" hasn't even bothered to respond to my post #11.

Indian journalism will never be investigative in such matters. There is a whole ministry set up to encourage Islamic/Terrorist activities in India. The M I C of that ministry is A R Antuley, who had notorious record of aligning with anti social elements (Hazi Mastan etc...). And you expect the media channels to show the nexus between mosque/madressahs/ismalic institution with this henious crime?
NSA, M K Narayanan once hit the target, but created problem in political circle ("People going to Saudi Arabia for pilgrimage gets indoctrined to terrorism and anti national feeling").
Blaming ISI and foreign hand is basicaly extreame stupidity and is to fool people. To some extent, some people believe that. And after some days people forget the tragedy and life goes on. So, the problem remains unresolved....

This is the problem of this so called "enlightened middle class". If police feels that, they need to profile moslems, let them do that. We need to educate these emotional fools. Talk senselessly, without a bit of empathy.

For all those who think there are enough anti-terror laws in the country to handle any kind of terrorist activity, please read this snippet from a chat with Kiran Bedi conducted by ibnlive.
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Shreekrishna Padki:Dr. Bedi, Our Country's "Honourable" Home Misiter says existing laws are sufficient to fight terrorism in India, how far it is true?

Dr Kiran Bedi: no they are not....has anyone asked the police, the prosecutor, the judiciary....this is exactly the problem...ask the wearers of these shoes and they will tell u where all it hurts....listen to the practitioners...u will have the answers...and this be not a one time excercise but a regular dialogue
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The complete chat can be accessed here:
http://publication.samachar.com/pub_article.php?id=2377684&navname=Ge neral%20&moreurl=http://publication.samachar.com/ibnlive/general/ibnlive.php &homeurl=http://publication.samachar.com

good article related to identity/history of pakistani muslims,

The guy is ready to assimilate all that was good...

http://chowk.com/articles/why-do-we-reject-our-past-Abdullah-Rehman.h tm

copying it completely for kind perusal of people like Rupani and masadi,

By Irfan Husain

Questions about identity and loyalty among the Muslims who have chosen to live in the West have been recurring themes since 9/11. As the number of suicide bombings and attempted attacks has mounted, so too has suspicion about the large and growing population of immigrants from the Muslim world. Especially among the working class and right-wing sections of the population, Muslims living in their midst are now seen as a fifth column, ready to wreak mayhem at the slightest pretext.

As the only Muslim many of my English friends know socially, I often find myself being addressed as a sort of spokesman for the Islamic world, a role I do not exactly relish. This happens more often late in the evening when several drinks have dissolved notions of political correctness. “Why,” I am asked earnestly. “Do Muslims come here if they hate our laws and lifestyle? Why do the ones living here not return to where they came from if they are not willing to make any attempt to get along with the rest of us? And why do they all stick together all the time?”Patiently, I explain that immigrants, whether Muslim or not, are forced to leave their homes due to political or economic conditions, so it is often not really a matter of choice. Many of them are from a conservative background, and are shocked by the easygoing attitudes and personal choices that have evolved in the West. As to Muslims who have been born and brought up in Europe, they find themselves caught between two cultures: exposed to a traditional home environment, they are expected to conform to a Western lifestyle at school and at work. This produces an identity crisis that leads some of them to choose extremism to resolve and simplify these dilemmas. In short, I mouth a bunch of clichés without being sure how many of them are really valid.

These conversations usually take place after some terrorist outrage, or an unusually bizarre utterance from an extremist. Just the other day, a survey among Muslim university students in Britain caused a stir among the media. Conducted by YouGov on behalf of the Centre for Social Cohesion, ‘Islam on Campus’ has thrown up some results that have startled observers. As Patrick Sawer writes in the Daily Telegraph of on July 28: “The findings will concern police chiefs, the security services and ministers who are struggling with radicalisation among Muslim communities.”

Among these findings is the figure of 40 per cent of those surveyed who support the introduction of Shariah into UK laws for Muslims; 30 per cent said that killings in the name of religion is justified; 40 per cent did not think it was all right for Muslim men and women to meet freely; 25 per cent were of the view that men and women were not equal in God’s eyes; 25 per cent had little or no respect for gays; 30 per cent supported a worldwide Islamic caliphate; over 50 per cent supported the creation of an Islamic party to represent Muslims in the British Parliament; and a third didn’t know or think that Islam was compatible with Western democracy.”

The authors of the survey, conducted on 12 British campuses, were of the view that many of these extreme views had been planted by Hizb ut-Tahrir, the militant organisation that seeks a global Islamic government. In their opinion, this kind of thinking made it easy for extremists to recruit radicalised young Muslims from university campuses. Although some student bodies have denounced this study as being too narrow, and for having polled only some 600 students, it is especially disturbing as it focuses on university students, a group that had earlier been assumed to be less prone to extremism. Now observers are asking: what about the less educated Muslims?

Thus far, the received wisdom had been that secular education was the antidote to religious extremism. But as we have seen elsewhere, highly educated Muslims have been at the forefront of the global jihad. Many of the 9/11 suicide bombers had degrees from Western universities. Time and again, those providing the intellectual and moral justification for terrorism have been intelligent, educated people adept at distorting the scriptures to justify killing innocent people.

Before the publication of this survey, the Lord Chief Justice had caused a controversy by suggesting that elements of the Shariah relating to personal and financial affairs of Muslims could be incorporated into British law. A firestorm of protest followed. A flavour of the response is captured in this letter to the editor of the Daily Telegraph from E.J. Zuiderwijk of Cambridge:

“Shariah, which originated in medieval, desert societies, is a system invented by men, controlled by men, and executed by men. Centuries of conditioning may have made Shariah acceptable to some, but it is the last thing one would knowingly want to inflict on any woman in Britain. I suggest that the depressingly naïve remarks by the Lord Chief Justice and, earlier, by the Archbishop of Canterbury, can be explained by the fact those positions are not occupied by women.”

And in response to a remark by Shahid Malik, a Labour MP, that British Muslims now felt like “aliens in their own country”, Dominic Kirkham writes to the editor of The Independent from Manchester: “…Just a couple of recent personal examples. When I was handing round a plate of cakes at an introductory session of an adult learning programme to a mixed ethnic and gender group, all were grateful except the Muslims, who, instead of accepting like everybody else, questioned what the cakes were made of as it might be against their religion to accept. In another mixed group learning how to handle and use tools, the informal instruction was challenged by a Muslim woman who warned that it was against her religion for a man to touch a woman.

“And so it goes on. In seemingly every area of cultural contact, however open and welcoming, Muslims choose to distance themselves from the generality on the basis of ‘their religion’. Unless they themselves are prepared to question the arcane prejudices that lie at the root of ‘their religion’ they will continue to feel like aliens in normal society by their own choice.”

Clearly, many Muslims who have chosen to live in the West are not doing themselves any favours by their stand-offish behaviour and their bizarre views.

ok guys read this from Irfan Husain

http://dawn.com/weekly/mazdak/mazdak.htm

re #27 Posted by dost_mittar
and i don't know how many indian fumes for any security checks they have to undergo in USA. I feel happy and thankful that these guys do such a thorough job. I have been to Saudi Arabia and Bahrain a few times and I don't remember that the security check was any differen for that flight than it is for an Indian flight.

Why is racial profiling required??, think about it instead of just thinking that it will go away.

Mr. Rupani:

I liked this article much better than your previous one and I found myself agreeing with almost everything that you said.

Racial profiling is a fact of today's life. To the extent, it means asking extra questions to someone who fits a particular profile, it can be understandable, but when it becomes a sufficient reason to hold or humiliate anyone, it becomes unacceptable.

I know because I was pulled aside for extra questions because my passport showed a Pakistani visa and I did not mind as I was able to give a satisfactory reason for making that visit.

Ref parthaab #18

[How can we expect the police force to 'suddenly' rise up to global standards to investigate REAL terrorist activities?

For years now, the police force has been busy using draconian, POTA like, laws made by the WCD ministry to settle ( and scuttle ) domestic family disputes. They are being used ( along with the lawyers ), by the feminists to settle scores, take revenge, socially ostracise and simply, make more money from young Indian males.]

Yo, what happened?

Usually, you are in the vanguard of the leftists denouncing casteism, male chauvinism, the BJP, etc.

All of a sudden, you have now been denouncing the anti-dowry laws.

Did the wife take you to the cleaners with a divorce or had you castrated by a dowry complaint against you?

Ref aaendra #5

[School teachers,older people who are physically unfit are the real threat you want me to believe that. I have seen guys rounded up just because they walked past the Charminar.]

In US airports, they single out minorities for frisking with a wand at the gate.

Just so that they cannot be accused of targeting minorities, the TSA always pulls out an 84-year-old woman in a wheelchair for frisking.

The Indian Police must be following TSA's example in selecting older people who are physically unfit to be terrorists for checking and body cavity searches.

Ref aaendra #6

[....Feminist politicians???]

No. Effeminate politicians. Eunuchs. Hijras.

I think the way we foolishly assume that cops in India are utter fools is fairly wrong. Once you will get caught by a cop while doing something wrong you will get to know that even Indian cops are not that foolish.

You can fool good cops by using politicians or because of lax laws, but there are significant number of cops who know their job very well.

India is a horrible place with so many religions, al kind of mafias, politicians and having almost infinite freedom. What more freedom do you want? Only an idiot can think of a more free country? Securing such a ntion and its citizens is almost an impossible task.

re #21 Posted by Eklavya,
Thinking differently is good but thinking right is still important. In anycase we are not killing anybody here.

We are also trying to understand why he feels more sympathy for those who are killing say Let, HUJI etc and less for those who get killed. If you check the heading of his first article you can get an idea of basic question that confuses him, are these guys killers or are they just happily reacting to BJP by exploding a few bombs and kiling a few people, now this is hilarious way of justifying terror:-)

We will eventually sit down quietly and hear what these great wise men have to say. After all generations to come will remember their wise thoughts like having no security forces to secure any area and that too in India, where technology to secure a place is so poor:-) Imagine in India you place camera everywhere (in USA you can not even imagine at which all places a camera is watching you), people will simply take them away in a hope that probably they can either use them at home or can resell them. And even religious people will say that too much security is against our religion?? :-) We want freedom to do whatever we want to do in the name of our religion:-) And ofcourse Pranay Rupani is all for that kind of freedom and less for security of any kind.

Our right to comment on public ideas is as much as the right of a person who publish those ideas.

As usual, whenever somebody else thinks differently, we fall into the trap of dismissing them or abusing them.

Agreed this Rupani/Vanshraj phenomenon is unusual, but not entirely unknown. Some of that we already had on chowk in the form of GT bhai, who is a brilliant man. We are merely seeing more of it.

We need to sit down quietly, and figure out what Rupani/Vanshraj are saying, who they are, and why they should be saying what they are saying. Then, it would actually be useful reading their articles.


if aaendra is indeed 'rupani' ji, I am a bit miffed that he did not even acknowledge my greetings nor respond to my efforts to search for him 'where is rupani?'

But most likely aaendra is not 'rupani' or he is too busy with understandably important tasks.

This guy really has more sympathy for those who kill then those who get killed.

The article is collection of whines with little connectivity. If this is the level of intelllect and thoughtgulness that should be reflected in chowk's articles then perhaps anything can be published here.

His comment:
[[
Gujarat all the news came up with was unconfirmed reports from sources in the Intelligence Bureau about SIMI, LeT and HuJI being responsible for the attacks. If I had a penny for every time these names were spoken on news channels and written about in newspapers I would be laughing all the way to the bank with millions. ]]

is certainly laughable. Is he suggesting that is injustice to these idiotic terrorist organization if we show suspect them?? Does he care more for those terrorist outfits than for general public safety? Not sure if he is trying to say anything or just want everybody not to name the outfits anywhere in any case as it hurts him.

The author seems amazingly ignorant. Given the serious role the police have in preventing terrorism it is his(and his companion's) duty to cooperate courteously and effectively with them. Instead he complains when they do their duty. Who is he kidding by objecting to profiling? Is there anyone other than a complete retard that would not hold strong suspicion of islamist elements? Unfortunate that muslims may feel slighted but if they value their safety they will recognise that the police are striving to keep them safe as well. Bombs dont discrimate by religion when they go off you know.

It disgusts me that armchair ideologues like this author whine endlessly no matter what. No police force anywhere can succeed without earnest cooperation and assistance from the public. Like they say if you cant help at least get out of the way.

How can we expect the police force to 'suddenly' rise up to global
standards to investigate REAL terrorist activities?

For years now, the police force has been busy using draconian, POTA
like, laws made by the WCD ministry to settle ( and scuttle )
domestic family disputes. They are being used ( along with the
lawyers ), by the feminists to settle scores, take revenge, socially
ostracise and simply, make more money from young Indian males.

The priorities of the government are obvious in the fact, that the
investigation and research wings of the police, recieved a pittance,
compared to the 33000 crores in the budget, doled to the feminist
ministry to carry on with their propaganda. The police meanwhile,
continues its primitive third degree methods - 'truth serum',
planting evidence and 'encounter' killings, to 'investigate' even
everyday murders!

These anti-male laws mean that it is easier to murder, or to plant
bombs in the city, than to challenge your spouse! It is the utter
irresponsibility on the part of the government to make draconian
laws to intimidate its own future males citizens, while doing
nothing to truly empower the police.

The way u approach the issue is sinister. Basith was appointed based on merit and seniority.

U forgot to mention that Swaranjit Sen was a Christain. If Jannat Huaasin is CS that ony shows that there's no discriminatin to anybody (based on religion). If ur buddies dont study for IAS or IPS do u consider it as my problem?

Finally u need to tell what round up u r talking abt. I havent read abt it till now. U r obviosuly lying.

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Re: # 14

Maybe you should ask him to resign now! I always thought females could get crzy, but...

Re: # 8
Advani was HM earlier and he could not do much except not react to Gujarat.

SSP Yadav is the DGP, during that time Swaranjit Sen was the DGP, during the firing at the A.P Police Headquarters it was Sukumara who was the DGP and during the roundups Ramulu was the DGP Basith was DGP for a short while as a retirement benefit get your facts right man! One Jannat Hussain can't do much and he is a recent inclusion. No other person of repute IT guys like Harish just know the old city by a map and nothing more. Why should the round ups even happen if there is an overwhelming majority of Muslims in every government department?

Harish,

Even Cabinet Secretary is (was?) Jannat Hussain. Ppl who know admin setup wud know how powerful a CS is?

Guys like Rupani cant be objective & these kinda guys get most of the space on Chowk. Sorry but true. :(

VRV

#9 by Folio

Last time I heard it was Basith who was the Head of AP Police and u want to paint Muslims as victims.

Yaar VRV, not just Basith, Muslims actually are over-represented as a percentage of their population in AP police. So this moron should be knowing who to blame for the Muslims' plight at the hands of the police force.

#9 by Folio

Last time I heard it was Basith who was the Head of AP Police and u want to paint Muslims as victims.

Yaar VRV, not just Basith, Muslims actually are over-represented as a percentage of their population in AP police. So this moron should be knowing who to blame for the Muslims' plight at the hands of the police force.

Rupani,

The titles u give to ur articles are not right.

Secondly u give credence to doubters that India indeed is discriminatory towards some ppl.

WTF is this?

U conveniently ignore that the Director General of Police, Police Commissoner many police officials are/were Muslims at many points of time. Last time I heard it was Basith who was the Head of AP Police and u want to paint Muslims as victims.

Are u sucking up to Charminar?

(VRV)

Re: # 6

I ve never seen something so dumb! Shivraj is HM now. How can somebody ask Advani to resign Now?

#5 by aaendra

School teachers,older people who are physically unfit are the real threat you want me to believe that.

Physical disablity may prevent you from carrying out acts of terror by yourself, but is it a hindrance to motivating or even playing a behind the scenes role? Mullah Omar, the Taliban head honcho is one-eyed and perhaps even lame. Osama, the man behind the 9/11 tragedy is reportedly a kidney patient. There was even a blind Mullah (I forget his name) who served as inspiration to many Brit Muslims who were involved in acts of terror.

I have seen guys rounded up just because they walked past the Charminar.

Police excesses are a problem but it affects not just Muslims but just about everyone. Why, just last night, I was fined even though I had all the valid papers the cops asked. Should I do a rundi-rona (thanks stuka ;-)) that I was victimized because of my religion, caste or color? Don't exaggerate such isolated incidents.

And lastly, I have been calling attention for a long time now - the stoic Home Minister, Shivraj Patil, must resign. But, you may ask, why should nt many, many of the inefficient others too?

Shivraj Patil should resign but Advani was as ineffectual the Parliament was attacked and nothing was done. Feminist politicians???

How are you so sure these families are innocent?
School teachers,older people who are physically unfit are the real threat you want me to believe that. I have seen guys rounded up just because they walked past the Charminar.

There is too much stress upon the 'intelligence' part of policing, which is no doubt deficient.

But the REAL deficit is in the 'investigation' department. Too long preoccupied with feminist policies, the police is busy making money from husbands, to spare their families from harassment, and the other inumerable ways of making use of Renukas anti-male laws. As seen in the Aarushi case, they resort to third degree torture, planting evidence and blackmail 'encounters', to 'extract' information, as every baby knows. They are also too pliable to feminist ministers - both not useful in terrorist attacks.

And lastly, I have been calling attention for a long time now - the stoic Home Minister, Shivraj Patil, must resign. But, you may ask, why should nt many, many of the inefficient others too?

#2 by aaendra

Read the Deccan Chronicle today, four muslim families suspected of running the terror network in the South from Hyderabad.

How are you so sure these families are innocent?

Re: # 1
Read the Deccan Chronicle today, four muslim families suspected of running the terror network in the South from Hyderabad.

What is forgotten in the attempt to pacify the people is that there is no restraint in labelling a community responsible.

What is wrong with reporting that the police suspect SIMI/HuJI whatever? Where has the community been labeled? What a moron!!