Musharraf's Resignation and Beyond

Re: # 1 BJwho?
First of all one needs to determine what they mean when they proclaim Democracy?

Does this mean replicating the US system under which the elites get all the breaks while the general public is oppressed and fooled in the name of so-called democracy and the poorer are further impoverished?

Does the only feature of democracy happen to be the ability to cast votes and elect some people who then go to oppress the voters for four more years, make big incomes and give themselves a big raise every year and additionally accept bribes from their lobbyists to enact and implement their favorite legislation for protection of their cronies and have a good time womanizing and admiring their very own criminal acts?

Or, is this aspiration for democracy based on the same priority which dictates that everything that is Made in USA is supposedly next to none?

Does having a democratic system promotes the existence of foreign lobbying groups such as AIPAC & the Anti-defamation League to promote matters of their interests creating hatred against certain people, soveriegn nations and while maintaining favorites and pleasing them to keep the wheels of the cycle of economy revolving, that have nothing to improve for the people of the USA?


Does democracy of this nature appears so enticing to the people of Pakistan, or, they wish to adopt the type of democracy that provides equal rights for all free from discrimination of all types, maintaining a "welfare state" where the democratic head feels concerned to fulfill his/her duties as the head of state and assures that no one in his/nation goes to sleep hungry?

Unless the people of Pakistan deviate from meaningless rut of democracy and first find out what democracy means for their given nation and what democracy spells like for their consumption, there is no sense in the urge of Pakistanis to seek democracy because the democracy the majority of people dream about for their homeland of Pakistan it is hard to come by.

Be sincere and fondle your hearts and minds and ask yourself the question whether you wish to impose replica democracy of USA in Pakistan or would you rather opt for a democracy that goes beyond the show window and provides for the common person a life where his/her needs are fulfilled without resorting to the connections or bribery politics, as long as these curses don't depart our life and system for governing no real implementation of democracy that they dream of, means no more than bogus democracy in the name of democracy.
Therefore each and everyone must first know before endorsing the so-called democracy as to what they expect from the term of "democracy" since it appears that this word goes no farther than what a common person perceives democracy to be.
Log live Pakistan and may the hypocrites be removed from the path of democracy, ameen

Re: # 115 Hamslammer

"..after i lost more than 25% of my assests because of my faith in the paki rupee which, like the koran, is turning out to be worth less than the paper it is printed out.."

What a worthless fellow!

Re: # 285
Pinku...
I can refer to teaching of Ramakrishna...

One fisherwoman was visiting her gardener (mali) friend. Friend offerred the best room to the fisherwoman. Somehow, that lady was not getting proper sleep as the room was filled with aroma of flower. At midnight,she woken up her friend and requested her to shift her to a different room, where there will be no smell of flower.She is not able to sleep with that smell. She carried her fishing net to the next room enjoyed deep sleep for the rest of the night...

It is really funny to hear sermons from these arab slaves about bathing,smell etc...

Re: # 288
Criticism for mere criticism is all such people do Ijaz saheb such people cant contribute anything constructive or positive and are no better than termite for the nation of Pakistan.

This habit of criticizing is just another kind of addiction and unless they go through this routine their toilets remain deprived of a daily flush.

Re: # 281 Typical Not-So-Sharif follower.

As long as opportunists such as # 281 are around, no matter who rules Pakistan they will make sure that they drown with him regardless of how much damage the nation faces.

So rant, rant and rant all you care too, but rhetoric stands out as rhetoric.

Its the selfish politicians and those supporters who care to be the beneficiaries of their culmination that are going to drown the nation more than once.

Bonga aka Chumbo cannot progress anywhere beyond the limits of it's vision meanwhile an army of Chumboes continues to grow bigger.

As far your dumb claim to the ownership of Pakistan is concerned Pakistan is Pakistan and does not belong to the impure of your stature.

Perhaps your tahmed was wrapped on your head when you distributed mithaee in 1999 clapped, beat drums and break danced.

A hypocrite identifies his cronies based on his firsthand knowledge.

Re: # 288; ijaz

well said sir!

tahmed,
We inbred and resident Pakistanis live in interesting times day in and day out.
'Rule of Law' is a very good political slogan and cliche. Considering the ground realities, the Rule of Law in the truest sense has laways been violated and exploited. In a country, where ruling elites do not hesitate to construe religion for political ends, what better do you expect........ In a country whose leaders can sacrifice national interests for their personal benefits, what else do you expect........ In a country where power elites are ready to sell their fathers, mothers, sisters and brothers without any moral limitation, what else do you expect.

We as citizens wish for the Rule of Law. We can only try which we do. We cannot force it down the throat of an establishment that has other motives and linkages.

#270 Posted by bulleya,

No. People with your mindset are the only nangaa ones.

My comments on the well written ilog by HP that are relevant to this thread reposted because I love reading my writing especially when it busts the mythology of the enslavers of humankind....even though (as the Quran says) the hypocrites might detest it!

HP sahib,

salam and greetings of peace. As you know we agree on many of the points raised in your well written piece. Two points are worth reiterating: i) The Pakistan Army wants to save face, it has been damaged during its past rule and its front line man through which they want to rule is Zardari. He is therefore their/ and the US's natural choice for president. It is not martial law that is the problem at the current time, like I said the US is willing to incorporate the establishment civilians into the power equation and NS is the only hurdle in their way, his wrinkles they are trying to iron out. The military is not altogether happy with this situation with maintaining a civilian face but they have no choice at the current time, such was the damage Musharraf did to it, which was the unintended noble consequence of his otherwise barbaric rule. By orders of the president of the US there will be no martial law for the foreseeable future, so I think. The PPP and the Army are on the same side now, it is an uneasy coincidence of needs but a coincidence it is.


ii)Whenever the US officials bicker about things it is for public consumption. The elite are quite unified as a group as far as broad policies go, and the State department, CIA and Pentagon know who dominates the hierarchy of determination in the US. The bickering is for public consumption.

That said, I would appreciate the comments of brother Tahmed on this piece. If I wrote it he would dismiss it off hand as pipe dreams and conspiracy, but since he has more respect for you he might give it some thought.

Have a nice day,

TNI, Masadi

Keep it real, never surreal, and stay away from the Bars and English Gin houses that are a "social personification of the stupefication of man under the political economy of capitalism" according to Karl Marx!

Add to #284 Posted by pinku

That doesn't mean that you can not find good smelling Indians in USA, you have to chose right place, right people and right nose, you can find tons of them. But you don't need to do that hard work, because there are plenty of americans ready to be smelled any time:-)

Re #278 Posted by bubba,
May be somebody replaced his itur with Garlic paste, some Pakistani??

There is a reason for almost everything, except for existence of God and his world:-)

Indians do not end up in USA because of tehir good health, high status or beauty, it is mostly based on education and most of them are from middle classes and in case of South India many are from lower middle classes as well. While for Pakistanis people who end up in USA are mostly from upper middle class and numbers are not that many (privileged few). And I am talking about people whom we meet in general, meaning professionals, not taxi-wallas or illegal immigrants from two countries.

Re #277 Posted by ajeya,
ajeya, you are having too much fun here, while people are thinking hard about real problems:-)

Ahmedzai: while no doubt the elected govt has done what the rogue dictator did not do in seven years - outlaw taliban and reject their calls for "truce" when pinned down - this is something any normal govt would have no choice but do.

for musharraf, taliban were his ticket to being the "indispensable man" for the US - and the ticket for his quieting opposition at home.

This has nothing to do with Zardari - whose bizarre behavior to date makes him a poor bet as national leader.

#280 Typical ranting by MQM hypocrites.

As for your "Long Live Pakistan" - enough of this hypocrisy. Pakistan does not belong to those who stood by a dictator in trying to enslave what you consider "the rest of Pakistan".

All those who licked the opportunity to re-enter politics were administering the hypocrite that is embedded within each of these politicians and "every one" attempted to get on the record as if they were really conveying condolences at BB's demise.
This list includes every aspiring so-called politician of the current era whether they represent PPP, PPPP, Jamat-e-Islami, JUI, ANP,MQM Tehreek-e-Insaaf & many others while this extended to include the EX-CJP and many others who wanted to cash in on this opportunity to gain exposure in the media and validate their existence.
They knew that the unfortunate demise of BB has triggered a fury of sympathizers all over and this uncalled for event within the design of Pakistani Style democracy imminently guaranteed a major success for the Pakistan People's Party, this produced a serious shock among the so-called politicians because they knew no matter what they promised to the people of Pakistan if not everyone a great majority was going to honor BB by voting for her political party.
If it was not for the demise of BB things would have been somewhat different on the day of general elections although PPP may still have counted a large number of votes in their favor but not quite as overwhelming.
This was the best opportunity for AZ to re-enter or the arena knowing that since he is BB's husband all eyes were looking in his direction, the arena that BB has forbidden for him while alive knowing his level and intellect when it comes to piggy-backing to every transaction carried out in Pakistan even if he anticipated the slightest financial gain, this is all AZ is about.
He has done it before with limited powers and unlimited chaperoning & protection by BB and he is guaranteed to do it again.
Imagine his creation of BB's will and production of the same nominating him the Chairman or Co-chair of the party, a party that preaches democracy yet selects instead of electing their chairperson! the hyphenating of the name of lesser Zardari appending -Bhutto to it at 18-19 years of no Pakistani experience, over-riding several other balanced political intellects within PPP who all now bow to AZ & BZ-B.
What a joke of the nation of Pakistan is being made and how long these jugglers will continue to juggle with Pakistan, as it is there is every type of problem existing for the people of Pakistan yet these jugglers are so busy with their own innuendos.
What happened to the people of Pakistan who are being tampered with on a non-stop basis for all these decades? and yet they are fooled over and again by these jugglers who have robbed the nation in past and will continue like habitual dacoits.
All those cases that were established against Az took place during the era of NS yet they shook hand with a wicked smile on their faces when BB was killed. AZ wants UNO to investigate this tragic event although a great number of Pakistanis and outsiders place as a suspect in the removal of BB as well as her brother Murtaza Bhutto.
Against all ethics the EX-CJP also visited AZ in person while there were still active issues on the table in courts of Pakistan against AZ, the same EX-CJP when released from house arrest accurately declined with jurisprudence to see the ladies of "Laal Masjid" who came to congratulate and greet him on his release based on the same grounds but went to meet AZ?
Long Live Pakistan

Re: # 222
Zia Ul Haq marhoom will have to revisit to teach him.