Musharraf's Resignation and Beyond

Harishbhai,

Who started the fire. Did MKG raise Ram rajya first or did MAJ (pbuh) start TNT first?

No, ML was not innocent either, neither Hindoos nor Muslims cud have expected justice from each other in 1947 and that's why:

India was divided and Muslim majoirty states separated.
Hindoo majority distt were carved out of Punjab and Bengal and given to India.

Regards

#164 by majumdar

Hindoos were 75%, Muslims 25%

I like your logic Majumdar bhai. Muslims when in minority want a nation because they fear oppression. When in majority or thereabouts, they still want a nation because they form a significant percentage of the population.

MKG's call for Ram Rajya put misgivings in Muslim minds.

Oh so Jinnah despite rallying Muslims in the name of Islam must not be construed as anything but calling for a Muslim nation with secular credentials, but Gandhi merely talking about Ram Rajya must have definitely meant he wanted to establish a Hindu nation. Wow!

3. INC state govt committed atrocities against Muslims as documented in the Pirpur report.

And I presume you'd think the ML was innocent of any wrong doing in Bengal (where it was in power) during the DAD?

Harishbhai,

1. Numbers, Hindoos were 75%, Muslims 25% and as Iqbal said in democracy people are counted not wieghed.

2. MKG's call for Ram Rajya put misgivings in Muslim minds.

3. INC state govt committed atrocities against Muslims as documented in the Pirpur report.

They were rallied in name of Muslim nationhood not for Islam being a state religion.

Regards

And be that as it may, what right did Jinnah have to ask his countrymen to detach religion from their lives when they were rallied for the cause on the basis of Islam? Doesn't it strike you as utterly foolish or deviously cunning, take your pic?

#161 by majumdar

MAJ (pbuh) wanted a state where the Muslims rights would be safeguarded and they would be protected from being an oppressed minority in a Hindoo majority state.

And pray tell us what was the basis behind the assumption that Muslims would be dominated by Hindus?

Harisbhai,

MAJ (pbuh) wanted a state where the Muslims rights would be safeguarded and they would be protected from being an oppressed minority in a Hindoo majority state. He never said that religion will dictate the state policy.

Regards

#155 by akcheema

Isn't that what the founder/father of the nation MAJ (pbuh) stated categorically in his 11/08 speach?

Cheema bhai, this is like a thief who earned all his wealth through stealing advising his heirs to live a life of virtue.

Re: # 147
Buba....
Then what for Pakistan was created?

...if we follow the historical political cycle of pakistan, which occurs in phases of ten years, the following should occur.....

- we are in the civilian 10 year decade....ppp will be in power....it will screw things up, and elections will happen around 3 years time......pml will win.......it will then screw things up, and elections will be held in another 3 years.....

3 years is the life of any civilian political govt. in pakistan.....

- between 6 - 9 years, a coup will occur......this would imply the coas after the next one, i.e. two down the road from kayani....this guy, right now, is a newly minted major general......

- the public will celebrate the coup, and things will improve for the first two to three years.....this guy will say he will leave after three years.....however, a referendum will be held.....after which he will become the president......

- he will split up the ppp and pml and form his own party....after around 3 years, he will lose his popularity.....however, he will go on for another 7-10 years (this is the life of military dictators in pakistan)....

- finally he will be removed, and the same ppp and pml leaders (with some more grey hair will come back in), supported by the same altaph bhai, anp, jui etc......

now what will break this cycle?.....i cannot see anything breaking it......there is no political force on the horizon....the only other factor is the TTP, which will break pakistan.....which will, obviously, shake up everything......

so it is a race between the system surviving for another twenty years, after which new leadership may come up....or the country surviving for another twenty years, after which a new leadership may come up.....

either way, new leadership will come up......though the second way is going to be very violent......

And then he did what no leader in Pakistan has ever done: publically
Ayub Khan also publically announced his resignation on 25 March 1969.

Cheema sahib,

That is true- MAJ (pbuh) had envisaged a non-denominational Pakistan but the situation reversed itself after the Objective Resolution. Now anyone recommending removal of Islam from Constt risks not only being called a murtid but an opponent of Pak Constt as well.

Regards

Re: # 154; majumdar

you are perhaps referring to Bubba's quotation of Mr Ghulam Mustafa Lakho... right?

[[Now, it is the time to amend the Article - 2 of the Constitution of Pakistan in the befitting manner saying that religion shall have nothing to do with business of the State.]]

Isn't that what the founder/father of the nation MAJ (pbuh) stated categorically in his 11/08 speach?

I am prepared to stand corrected on this, of course.

Bubba,

Are you saying that Islam should be expunged from the Pakistani Constt?

Regards

Bubba,

Are you saying that Islam should be expunged from the Pakistani Constt?

Regards

This man has caused most damage to political stability.

Ijaz sahib what did Musharraf say about NS in his final speech, can you please post. Thanks.