Musharraf's Resignation and Beyond

Re: # 276 Posted by ajeya on August 26, 2008 2:33:43 pm

Sorry to jump in, but here Hamid Sahib is right.

Recently, I had the misfortune of being at a location where a hindu indian walked by and he smelled terrible with his "itur". Maybe the "itur" did not get along with his body odor, which I am sure the "itur wallah" could recommend a better type of "itur".

All in the group turned their head to look at who just walked by, and how smelley he was. I ended up providing that this person had the misfortune of using some "ituer" and that this was not his body odor.

Hopefully this clarifies some of the issues, generally indian hindus have with their skin odor.

Also desis usually clean themselves with water - not just toilet paper like the "whites" (except Islamists who probably clean themselves with imported sand). :)

#275 hamidm2

[.... if it makes you feel any better about yourself, i will grant you that people can change .....]

Don't worry, I feel mnore better about myself than you can ever comprehend.

[.. but it takes many many generations ..... a few indians might be writing code, but most of them are still squatting on railroad tracks....]

Your "white men" were squatting anywhere and wiping themselves on grass and leaves not so long ago. Also, India started with 347 million people (more than the current US population) at independence, with a country half the size of the US - which had already been independent for many many decades. India started off with a more than 80% illiterate population - and guess what - it WAS the British to blame. If you can blame Bush for your hemorrhoids after 8 only years, you can surely blame the British after 300 years of rule for the very low literacy rates.

[and even those who are doing cutting-edge research smell just as bad ........ sorry to burst your bubble]

If you take a blind smell test (I can see you smelling desis blindfolded), you'll actually find that the desis smell better almost always - desis that you would come across on the average lead a more disciplined life and take a bath daily - which is more than you can say about most Americans - don't confuse a liberal application of deodorants for cleanliness. The blonde secretary in your office that you have the hots for has a yeast infection from consistent bad hygiene, and maybe some genital warts to boot.

Appearances are deceptive.

[.... in any case, here we are talking about indians with slightly better looks and a bad attitude - pakis ..... ]

Not all Pakis have "slightly better looks". We do watch TV.

Re: # 274

ajeya,

.... if it makes you feel any better about yourself, i will grant you that people can change ..... but it takes many many generations ..... a few indians might be writing code, but most of them are still squatting on railroad tracks and even those who are doing cutting-edge research smell just as bad ........ sorry to burst your bubble

.... in any case, here we are talking about indians with slightly better looks and a bad attitude - pakis .....

#259 hamidm2

Also, hamidm, you have to be less miopic about history. Things change quickly. People change quickly. Look at the current day Afghans. Can you imagine that these uncivilized murderous Islamists used to be peaceful Buddhists once, or peaceful Hindus before that? The same "unsophisticated" desis that you see on the streets of India today could be having children writing the latest software tomorrow, or doing cutting-edge research.

Read some history. Instead of these shallow cliches about how the white man is superior to everyone else, you'll get a better perspective of things.

#259 hamidm2

[masadi,

.... if what you say is true and tahmed is talking about the white man's rule and his law for the subordinates, then i am with him ....... a long time ago my grandmother (dgod bless her soul) used to say the same thing: "angrez kay zamanney mein atta ath annay mun hota tha, aur mulk mein aman o amaan tha" ..... i will up dinesh d'souza's two cheers for colonialism to three]

Before the British left India, there were 3 famines when millions died. After the Britich left India, India became self-sufficient in food within about 15 years. No more famines ever again.

When the British left India, India did not have the ability to manufacture it's own salt (hence Gandhi's Salt March). After the British left India, in 6 decades now we can put a satellite in geo-synchronous orbit (which even the British cannot).

Instead of quoting your not-so-upto-date-on-world-affairs grandma, grow some self-esteem. You are (even if you are a half-breed) the proud inheritor of a culture that was writing philosophy when your white man was chasing pigs with sticks.

Re: # 270

bulleya saheb:

agar hammam main subb nangon main say aik himmat wala nanga kapray maang lay toh uss ka saath daina chahiye keyon kay uss nay itni himmat to kee :-)

Hello to all participants of Pakistani origin and to those interested in Pakistani politics.

Here is my take on emerging political situation in Pakistan:

1. PML N cannot leave aside Judges issue, because it was its primary manifesto. People voted for it in the Punjab and the Pakhtunkhwa (NWFP) on this issue. Sitting in opposition is the best bet for it to gain public support for next elections. (1) It wants to project itself as a party that will now stand for principles rather than for expediency and (2) take a backseat, wait and see from the sidelines as the ruling coalition of PPP, NAP, MQM, JUI F and few bandwagon politicians take on an extremely sensitive issue of taking Talibans head on. I foresee some ‘attractive’ politicians from PML Q to join PML N in the near future.

2. PPP cannot afford to restore judges for a number of reasons, mainly (1) CJ’s views and previous injunctions on missing people, (2) perceived reverse ruling of the NROs by deposed judges, (3) judges and their supporters seem to be closer to PML N than to PPP.

3. NAP has to align with PPP, because it knows that it can get NWFP back on course of progress if the extremists are defeated once for all.

4. MQM has to align itself with PPP because of (1) it is scared of recently increasing Talibani presence in Karachi, (2) political situation with Sindh where it has to share power with PPP for delivering the goods, and (3) Inability of PML N to burry its hatchet with them after the elections.

Although I am not a Zardari or PPP supporter, I am willing to give them the benefit of doubt this time on account of the following reasons:

1. Recent pronouncements against extremists in Pakistan. PPP is not willing to compromise with Talibans and other militants. Please compare their recent pronouncements and their stance on the matter with that of Musharraf’s.

2. Zardari and his PPP will be under scrutiny of a strong opposition, the USA because of its interest on War on Terror, and its new coalition partners – ANP, MQM and JUI F.

zeemax#: saeed and not saleem........the rest of the post if quite factual.....

Round 1: a) nawaz's hooligans, led by khwaja saad storm the supreme court physically, when they feel it may rule against nawaz...(khwaja saad says he had no intention to storm, but things got out of control....his own words, which he told me and a few other people)

b) CJ sajjad shah is removed by his own court, with the assistance of tarar (who becomes president out of the blue).....the court includes saeed-uz-zaman.....

Round 2: a) musharraf carries out a coup....saeed uz zaman takes a stand as cj and resigns.....

b) coup is endorsed by a court which include iftikhar.....who takes oath on a pco......

Round 3: a) iftikhar takes stand against musharraf.....justice dogar conspires to remove iftikhar....

now nawaz is the flag bearer of judges movement......saeed is the candidate for president of this movement.....and the cj iftikhar is the symbol of this movement.......

....iss hammamm mein sab nangay hein......

based on the above, dogar will take a stand in a few years, and will be removed by the govt and assistance of someone in this court......

Hamid writes ".... this might be true for 'inellectuals' who sit around in smoke filled cafes with other loosers, 'thinking' and whining about the the elite ..... it is not true for real people who can always 'work' (a four letter word for the whiners) their way up like my sprinkler guy ..."

Salam and greetings of peace (for now) to you Hamid sahib. How are you feeling today? cholestrol in check?

That quote wasn't meant for illiterates, it was meant to be contemplated upon. For every one "sprinkler guy" who makes it there are hundreds of thousands that keep working hard and still not making it, because those "losers, sitting at cafes" have been blocked from political access as have the vast majority of the people in whose names decisions are being made to maintain the status quo of elite privilege...

Have a nice day, and get an education,

TNI Masadi

Re: # 267

masadi mian,

.... this might be true for 'inellectuals' who sit around in smoke filled cafes with other loosers, 'thinking' and whining about the the elite ..... it is not true for real people who can always 'work' (a four letter word for the whiners) their way up like my sprinkler guy ....

"We continue to know more and more about modern society, but we find the centers of political initiative less and less accessible. This generates a personal malady which is particularly acute in the intellectual who has labored under the illusion that his thinking makes a difference. In the world of today the more his knowledge of affairs grows, the less effective the impact of his thinking seems to become ... He feels helpless in the fundamental sense that he cannot control what he is able to foresee."
(The Powerless People, by C. Wright Mills, Politics, April, 1944)

#265, Tahmed sahib, thank you for your generosity but no thanks. Please keep your charity to yourself. Your post #265 is the kind of "cheap excuse" posts we have come to expect of spineless folk.

Have a nice day for the judgment is nigh!
TNI Masadi

masadi: this is a charity post for you. have a nice day.

#261 i answered your question in #260, third para. the reason you didnt get it was because of the little wiring problem i mentioned n #260, second para.

hamid writes "angrez kay zamanney mein atta ath annay mun hota tha, aur mulk mein aman o amaan tha"

Similar arguments are presented by the "Middle Class" for Army rule in Pakistan forgetting that fact of the man made famines during the colonial era by the British that killed millions, and forgetting the fact of the vast majority of Pakistanis languishing in poverty due to the policies of the Pakistan Army in the latter case.

Have a nice day for the judgment is nigh..

TNI Masadi